bugulu wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Pusyboots wrote: »

Im sorry to hear that some people can't manage their inventory!

Nobody said they couldn't manage their inventory, the said they were tired of it taking up 1/3 of their playing time. Two different birds my friend.

Sorry, if you are having inventory management problems despite creating 7 mules, you are doing it wrong.

This, in a nutshell, invalidates your entire post. You're not here to give helpful advice, you're here to troll. Thanks for making a long winded post that filters down to such a basic message.

Seroczynski wrote: »

Chrysolis wrote: »

Thank you for pointing out the fact that this would not hurt anyone. If it's beneficial to some and benign to the rest, I don't see what the problem is.

Doesn't mean it has to be implemented.

Inventory space is sufficient. I do not hear anyone of my guildies (and I am in two actual, not trading, guilds) complaining about the lack of space, and some of them don't even have 110/1xx inventory/bank slots.

Pick up a stack per item, but stop at a certain point. You don't need five stacks of style materials for each style. You don't need to store all those rings and necklaces, you don't need to store all those quest rewards.
Most people (not saying all) have a hoarding problem without them knowing. I got most crafting skills at 50 and play only a main and an alt. I do not have the need for mules, and yet I am perfectly capable of storing all my materials where I need them and even keep a few bank slots open. I have 110 inventory on my main and 90 on my alt, while I have130 slots in my bank.

With all due respect, there is clearly a difference between how (for example) you and me store our items.

This seems like arguing for the point of arguing; if it's beneficial to some and does not negatively impact the rest, what is your contention for them not implementing it?

Again, read my post or previous responses. I don't even have common racial stones because you can buy them off vendors. I have junk managers that get rid of everything non-essential. I sell all of my rings/necklaces I'm not wearing. The only common crafting materials I keep stacked are the tiers I'm currently working on.

With all due respect I am tired of debating the same point, when there really is no compelling counter-argument for the restriction of inventory space.

I have to agree that if you need to use multiple alts as mules your likely hoarding something and that this is more an "I don't want to sell or deconstruct stuff" issue or saving stuff just because they may be useful for a future alt.

So far I've been leveling every craft, have a set of cyrodil siege weapons, the dungeon trophies, craft training equipment, and that boat load of maps from preorder and finding regular ones and I have little to no trouble managing my bank and bag space.

In conclusion I don't see the problem you are claiming exists.

Guild banks are not a solution, or a reason to claim that their is no problem.

Inventory management is a huge problem. I appreciate them trying to make a complex crafting system, but with so many crafting materials they should not take up personal bank space. Inventory management is the worst I have seen in any game I have played. It takes far too much of my time and is directly responsible for me not logging in an many occasions. It just wears me down.

The more alts you play, the worse it gets, since they all share the same exact bank space. They have no personal bank space so each character creates more of an issue.

This has nothing to do with hoarding. I have never had to resort to using mules before, in any game.

Crafting materials are the biggest culprit, both in the bank and your personal inventory. Some crafts are clearly worse than others. And no, blowing off the professions that have fewer materials and dropping the other, is not the solution. You should be able to choose any profession(s) you want without having an issue. For crafts like provisioning, alchemy, and/or enchanting it is a nightmare. You can collect one of every type of resource for that craft before getting a second, and one takes up the same space as

Please stop making ridiculous suggestions like "stop storing 5 stacks of style material" as if that is the problem. No, that is not what we are doing. I have one stack of each, and I just stuck those on a mule. I could delete them all and I would not miss them. Getting more would be easy enough. The fact that you are talking about style materials means that you have chosen one of the less inventory intensive crafts.

I do, in fact, delete quest rewards, but I shouldn't have to. I imagine that the devs that came up with the idea for trophies, and those that designed them, would not be happy to hear that people are just deleting them. In other MMO's you can hang on to fun stuff like that, but not here.

With all the other problems going on, this is the one that bothers me the most. It is directly responsible for me not logging in on several occasions. It just wears me down. It is not fun, and i can't bear to do it. There have been times where i had to stop playing in order to do inventory management, and when i was done, I was drained and didn't feel like playing anymore., so i logged off. Sure, I could just stop doing crafting but, again, I shouldn't have to. It is part of the game. It is part of countless MMORPG's that i have played before without issue. Crafting should not make inventory management this cumbersome.


TLDR:

Bottom line, the inventory management system is FAR more time consuming than it should be. It is boring, and drains your energy.

No issues here. I got only 1 bag upgrade and 1 bank upgrade. Got 30-35 items in bag and 40 in bank. I collect ingredients i want to use for alchemy and provisioning and store them on bank after gaming session. Which is around 4 hours later. I sell all loot and stuff after a few quests, but i don't loot all because i have 200k and only buy apples for the horse.

It takes me around 4-5 mins inv management per play session. Don't know, but maybe i am doing something wrong or missing something. Yesterday i did create a bank mule to keep my costumes and trophies, because i wanna keep m all.

I'm doing fine with 110 slots.
My standard items to adventure with take about 10-15 slots leaving me with 95-100 slots to fill with loot before returning to town, see as you normally return to a town during PVE questing any way that doesn't seem to effect me too much.

Personally I like here it is right now.

badmojo wrote: »

TicToc wrote: »

Guild banks are not a solution, or a reason to claim that their is no problem.

For me, the guild bank was a solution. But, that's not the reason there is no problem. There is no problem because you don't need to pickup everything. You don't need to level ALL your skill simultaneously. You are creating the problem by not adapting to the system set in place.

Yes, it was a solution for you, but it is not a solution for everyone, thus not a real solution.

And as i said in my previous post, stop acting like we are doing ridiculous things. We are not keeping multiple stacks of style materials we are not "picking up everything"

Yes, your use of the guild bank IS the reason that you feel there is no problem

Then my guild bank is used for provisioning and enchanting materials which are my mains professions. So I don't have a full bag all the time. I also use the guild bank as a place to swap lots of weapons & armor to alts for deconstruction. And also a place to store full stacks from my bank.

You use your guild bank for all the things that cause the major problems. You are using a guild bank as part of your own personal shared storage. That is why you don't feel there is a problem.

TicToc wrote: »

Yes, your use of the guild bank IS the reason that you feel there is no problem

Then my guild bank is used for provisioning and enchanting materials which are my mains professions. So I don't have a full bag all the time. I also use the guild bank as a place to swap lots of weapons & armor to alts for deconstruction. And also a place to store full stacks from my bank.

You use your guild bank for all the things that cause the major problems. You are using a guild bank as part of your own personal shared storage. That is why you don't feel there is a problem.

If I didn't have the guild bank or felt some strange sensation not to take advantage of the tools offered to me, I would have simply leveled up enchanting and provisioning more proactively.

I'm using the guild bank as extra storage, to stock pile lots of provisions and enchantment runes, for future use. I could lose the guild bank tomorrow and I'd just go back to turning the provisiong mats into food and selling it, and grinding my runes into enchanting XP as they build up. It's not like the guild bank is doing anything but letting me be lazy and dump my crap in there, it still builds up and I eventually have to deal with it.

TicToc wrote: »

Please stop making ridiculous suggestions like "stop storing 5 stacks of style material" as if that is the problem. No, that is not what we are doing. I have one stack of each, and I just stuck those on a mule. I could delete them all and I would not miss them. Getting more would be easy enough. The fact that you are talking about style materials means that you have chosen one of the less inventory intensive crafts.

Wrong, I leveled all five professions at the same time while getting to VR10 and I did not have the problems you people are describing.
Only one I decided not to level was provisioning since I knew that would take alot of inventory and seeing it as an easy thing to level, I did it when I reached maximum level.

It's not a ridiculous statement at all, I have seen plenty of players that are storing alot of the racial stones. Players that are stacking lots of lower level mats for "just in case" scenarios.

All I'm saying is that it seems some people are able to handle the inventory with minimal fuss better than others.

badmojo wrote: »

If I didn't have the guild bank or felt some strange sensation not to take advantage of the tools offered to me, I would have simply leveled up enchanting and provisioning more proactively.

I'm using the guild bank as extra storage, to stock pile lots of provisions and enchantment runes, for future use. I could lose the guild bank tomorrow and I'd just go back to turning the provisiong mats into food and selling it, and grinding my runes into enchanting XP as they build up. It's not like the guild bank is doing anything but letting me be lazy and dump my crap in there, it still builds up and I eventually have to deal with it.

You also use it to transfer materials/equipment to alts in a quick and easy fashion.

Regardless of what you claim, clearly it was a big enough issue that you decided to create a guild to use the guild bank for storage. Now you don't have the burden that the rest of us have to deal with. I don't fault you for creating the guild bank, but that is not the intended use, and is just not a viable option for everyone. Thus, there is a problem.

Why you want to act like it is not a problem is beyond me. A proper solution is not going to hurt you, and it will make a lot of players much happier. It may even prevent a lot of players from leaving.

Compulsive hoarding (more accurately described as "hoarding disorder")[1] is a pattern of behavior that is characterized by the excessive acquisition of and inability or unwillingness to discard large quantities of objects that cover the living areas of the home and cause significant distress or impairment.

[...]

A few symptoms hoarders might experience are:
1. They tend to hold onto a large number of items that most people would consider not useful or valuable. For example:
Junk mail
Cooking equipment
Old catalogues and newspapers
Things that might be useful for making crafts
Clothes that "might" be worn one day
Broken things/trash
"Freebies" or other promotional products picked up [14]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding

TicToc wrote: »

Yes, it was a solution for you, but it is not a solution for everyone, thus not a real solution.

So, based on that:

"if the solution doesn't fit everyone then it is not a solution."

OK, so lets look at this from the other side using the same logic:

"If the problem does't exist for everyone then it is not a problem"

There are plenty of people in this thread alone that do not have the problems you are talking about. People like me, I have not created a Guild for the extra storage and I have not maxed out my bag or storage space (bag is at 80, can't remember store). The only time my bank gets full is when I offload a large amount of items for deconstruction by alts, at which point I log on the alt and decon them ... sorted (this doesn't happen often).

You mentioned earlier that you are storing items ready for research. Why? I have no problems researching traits and I don't store anything ready to be done, I do them as I get the gear, they aren't that hard to get. Weapons and Armor take up large amount of space as they don't stack.

Again, I will add to the above and say that, although I don't have any major issues with the current system, it certainly isn't the best i have seen and could be improved.

Lox wrote: »

TicToc wrote: »

Yes, it was a solution for you, but it is not a solution for everyone, thus not a real solution.

So, based on that:

"if the solution doesn't fit everyone then it is not a solution."

OK, so lets look at this from the other side using the same logic:

"If the problem does't exist for everyone then it is not a problem"

Again, logic has left the station, people.

Let's say some people are poor and starving. Other people are rich and have enough food.

The starving people are asking for more food.

The people who have enough food tell the starving "just buy more food and you would not be so hungry".

Now, pay close attention...

This does not help everyone, so it is not a good solution.

However, it is still a real problem for the hungry people, even if it is not a problem for the full people.

Did you learn something today?

This was an example of how illogical your statement was, so you don't have to use this as an example for the bank issue, because it is not the point.

Yes, I agree that inventory management is a pain, but whoever claimed that you needn't do it in other ES games hasn't played it the way I did.

Yes, you can collect everything you found (but only up to a certain limit) and then go to your house and throw it into some chest.

But what for? Just to know you had it?

So most people I know started to sort the stuff. Alchemy went into the little bag on the alchemy table, weapons to learn enchants went this way, foodstuff that way, things to sell again into a different container and of course all the failed attempts at alchemy had another chest all to themselves.
I was sorting stuff all the time.

But the thing is: I was sorting that stuff with one and the same character and it felt somehow like housekeeping and for me did not break Immersion.

The pain with TESO is, that you cannot play it without mules (or a counter-intuitive use of guild banks) , which is anti-fun and I am sure wasn't really intended because if it does one thing, it breaks immersion in a really bad way.

Maybe things will change drastically when player housing is implemented.

What I'd like to see:

Trophys
A separate space (maybe a container at a public inn) where I can "display" my trophies, means a place where I can store them without them taking space in my bank or my backpack.

Provisioning mats

If I'm supposed to cook stuff for others, I need to keep provi mats for all levels and purposes. So why - instead of an alt for provi mats - can't I buy a chest in an inn of my choice where I store my provi mats, which is only accessible when I am at that exact inn to do my cooking?

LadyLothi wrote: »

What I'd like to see:

Trophys
A separate space (maybe a container at a public inn) where I can "display" my trophies, means a place where I can store them without them taking space in my bank or my backpack.

Provisioning mats

If I'm supposed to cook stuff for others, I need to keep provi mats for all levels and purposes. So why - instead of an alt for provi mats - can't I buy a chest in an inn of my choice where I store my provi mats, which is only accessible when I am at that exact inn to do my cooking?

Dat gal luvz innz.