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GPU Overheating and Memory Leaks in the same Patch.

  • CapuchinSeven
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    Nooblet wrote: »
    Im on upgraded drivers. My GPU is running at 99% usage on any and all graphics settings. Ran ultra before patch just fine. Tried both windowed fullscreen, and fullscreen.

    Has overheated 3 times already qq

    They are built to do that, in fact while a game is running that's perfectly acceptable, running software can't overheat components, it can only run hardware at 100%, it can't somehow pump it up to 110% and force it to overheat.

    If someones machine can't handle their components running at 100%, then your machine and your cooling is to blame.

    There are no amateur ifs or buts about this, if you are running software and your components overheat, your computer is to blame, not the software. It doesn't matter if you don't get the problem elsewhere, it doesn't matter if you think your PC is perfect, your PC is to blame.
    Edited by CapuchinSeven on May 24, 2014 5:54PM
  • R0M2K
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    Msi R9 270x. Overheating too and freezees.
  • Korvadiel
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    Nooblet wrote: »
    Im on upgraded drivers. My GPU is running at 99% usage on any and all graphics settings. Ran ultra before patch just fine. Tried both windowed fullscreen, and fullscreen.

    Has overheated 3 times already qq

    They are built to do that, in fact while a game is running that's perfectly acceptable, running software can't overheat components, it can only run hardware at 100%, it can't somehow pump it up to 110% and force it to overheat.

    If someones machine can't handle their components running at 100%, then your machine and your cooling is to blame.

    There are no amateur ifs or buts about this, if you are running software and your components overheat, your computer is to blame, not the software. It doesn't matter if you don't get the problem elsewhere, it doesn't matter if you think your PC is perfect, your PC is to blame.


    You, sir, are wrong !

    It's definitely related to last patch, none of us had experienced such overheat prior to the patch.

    And for your information, yes, some bad designed software, poorly coded, can cause overheating onto perfectly flawless hardware.

    No time to teach you empirism though.
  • Nyeo
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    Here's an Idea @Dev's there are multiple threads concerning the same issue and we are 3 days into new content that only 1% of the population can actually get to how about revert it back fix it and test it stop listening to the exploiters that got to VR10 2 or 3 days after launch and let the rest of us play obviously there is a problem as i included now only get to play for an hour before my system completely locks up and i have to do a hard reboot. this was not an issue before the roll out of Craplorn......
    If at first you don't succeed HIT HIM AGAIN !!!
  • CapuchinSeven
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    Korvadiel wrote: »
    You, sir, are wrong !

    It's definitely related to last patch, none of us had experienced such overheat prior to the patch.

    And for your information, yes, some bad designed software, poorly coded, can cause overheating onto perfectly flawless hardware.

    No time to teach you empirism though.

    The word you're looking for is empiricism.

    I hold a masters degree in computer science and have held positions in several hardware companies around the world. As in, I've worked in clean rooms not, "i r built teh pooters at som guys shop 4 summa".

    You are wrong. You could not be more wrong. Software cannot run components past 100% load. It breaks the laws of mathematics, physics and computer science, it doesn't matter HOW many times you claim it, it doesn't matter if every other game you ever play doesn't stress your system in the same way as a CPU intensive MMO, it doesn't matter that it didn't do it before a patch, it doesn't matter if your PC is *insert the name of a shinny component you think matters".

    Software cannot force a CPU or a GPU coprocessor past the load set by your drivers/firmware. That limit, whatever it might be, however low or high that is on different peoples computers, is called 100% load. If your PC cannot sit at 100% then your components or more likely your cooling is to blame.

    It doesn't matter how good your think your cooling is, it doesn't matter how big or awesomeballs you think think your fans or water-cooling is you have a cooling problem. You have a build up of heat in a certain area of your CPU/GPU that other software had not yet pushed as hard, different games heat different areas of components. You have an air bubble in an area of your thermal paste, or something lose, or dust, or any number of things it could be. One more time, it doesn't matter if this is the only piece of software you ever see the problem or that it didn't do it last patch, your cooling or a fault with your hardware, is to blame.

    It doesn't matter how much you don't want that to be true, just to prove your point.
    Edited by CapuchinSeven on May 24, 2014 6:31PM
  • Sidereal
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    Just to add in my two cents:

    I've watched ESO's process continually request an additional 400-800KB/s until my memory eventually reaches 100%. When there is no more memory left, ESO crashes, but fails to release the memory, which then in turn leads my entire system to crash if I even so much as open task manager.

    Been playing since early access as well as the beta and not once I have experienced this issue. As for my PC being perfect? Never that, but there is, in fact, a memory leak going on here.
  • Kaelis33
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    Yeah a GPU will not overheat due to a game or any software. Now if the hardware is not to spec, or it does not have the failsafes in place or its malfunctioning then software could push it to overheat.

    I have used video cards for years and some of them were prone to overheating...and this was noticeable only when using certain demanding games. So in a sense software can cause overheating but all modern videocards have failsafes and limits and regulate temps well.
  • Saerydoth
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    Nooblet wrote: »
    Saerydoth wrote: »
    GPU overheating is a hardware problem. If your video card can't handle 100% load without overheating, you either have a cooling issue, or you need to clean dust out of your system. On a stress test (this generates more heat than any game), my GPU tops out at 64C. It runs in the 50's in this game on ultra.

    You should be able to run Prime95 stress tests (CPU) and video card stress tests without overheating. If you can't do this, there is an issue with your system.

    How does it generate more heat than any game, if my GPU doesn't dip below 99% in certain areas of the game, including instanced 4 man dungeons when no graphics are going on just idling even when dropping it to the lowest settings possible when i previously ran Ultra fine..

    My GPU temp stayed pretty much at 85 while these, never spiked higher before crashing (97 being max according to manufacturer). And I know ive spiked up to 88 while playing other games(that required me to overclock due in order to stabalize an issue with dx11)

    I put it back to normal, so not overclocking since quitting that game.

    Then in other areas it works fine, and GPU changes like normal, and GPU temps stay around 70, including Cyrodiil when my fps dips drastically.

    While it may not be the best cooling possible... there certainly is an issue with the game imo.

    Because most games don't keep the GPU pegged at 100% TDP constantly. Stress tests do. If a game DOES manage to keep the GPU at 100% TDP, it would run at the same temp as the stress test.

    Anyway, I'm running an EVGA 780ti SC ACX...it gets up to about 55-58C in this game on ultra, and the stress test with my EVGA utilities got it up to 64.
  • Saerydoth
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    Korvadiel wrote: »
    You, sir, are wrong !

    It's definitely related to last patch, none of us had experienced such overheat prior to the patch.

    And for your information, yes, some bad designed software, poorly coded, can cause overheating onto perfectly flawless hardware.

    No time to teach you empirism though.

    The word you're looking for is empiricism.

    I hold a masters degree in computer science and have held positions in several hardware companies around the world. As in, I've worked in clean rooms not, "i r built teh pooters at som guys shop 4 summa".

    You are wrong. You could not be more wrong. Software cannot run components past 100% load. It breaks the laws of mathematics, physics and computer science, it doesn't matter HOW many times you claim it, it doesn't matter if every other game you ever play doesn't stress your system in the same way as a CPU intensive MMO, it doesn't matter that it didn't do it before a patch, it doesn't matter if your PC is *insert the name of a shinny component you think matters".

    Software cannot force a CPU or a GPU coprocessor past the load set by your drivers/firmware. That limit, whatever it might be, however low or high that is on different peoples computers, is called 100% load. If your PC cannot sit at 100% then your components or more likely your cooling is to blame.

    It doesn't matter how good your think your cooling is, it doesn't matter how big or awesomeballs you think think your fans or water-cooling is you have a cooling problem. You have a build up of heat in a certain area of your CPU/GPU that other software had not yet pushed as hard, different games heat different areas of components. You have an air bubble in an area of your thermal paste, or something lose, or dust, or any number of things it could be. One more time, it doesn't matter if this is the only piece of software you ever see the problem or that it didn't do it last patch, your cooling or a fault with your hardware, is to blame.

    It doesn't matter how much you don't want that to be true, just to prove your point.

    This exactly. The FIRST thing I do when building a system is to run an extensive Prime95 stress test (for CPU) and GPU stress test (for GPU obviously) to make sure that the system doesn't overheat.

    My CPU and CPU both hit about 64-65C during their respective stress tests. ESO only gets my CPU up to the mid 50's, and the GPU to the mid 50's/low 60's. Idle for both components is 25-28C depending on ambient temperature and whether or not I have my case fans on low or high.

    I also make sure that my components have sufficient cooling. I'm using an i7-4770k, cooled by a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (pain to install, but excellent cooling that surpasses most cheap water coolers), and an EVGA 780ti SC with ACX cooler. All in a huge full tower case with plenty of fans and plenty of airflow.
    Edited by Saerydoth on May 24, 2014 7:04PM
  • wllstrt75b14_ESO
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    Korvadiel wrote: »
    Congrats.

    How are we supposed to be patient and indulge such mess while we are actually suscribing for an utterly broken product nigh one month and twenty days after the release ?

    I, for one, am supremely disgusted.

    Now many people which had a perfectly good experience with the game hardware-wise got crippled and made unabled to play with these new features :

    -King Overheat and Queen Memleaks !

    I daresay this will be fixed as soon as possible, like tonight or else tomorrow at the latest.

    Grats on losing your MMO virginity with this game OP, because clearly you've never played another Online PC game at launch.

    Maybe you can go back to CoD on your console, I hear those game have smooth launches.

    Some tell this guy launch day was a while ago..this was a patch not a launch..most patches from gaming companies at least intelligent and competent companies have very little issues. Maybe you are just accustomed to playing really terrible games.
  • nidriks
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    I've experienced some pretty nasty problems regarding ESO today, but it hasn't happened until I've logged out of the game. Almost as soon as I exit ESO My graphics card goes nuts and distorts my whole screen with lines and mixes up the picture.

    Now I know this is often a sign of overheating, but I've got my video card temperatures monitored and they don't appear to be too high, though it's hard to tell when the screen suddenly distorts like it does.

    I fixed a new graphics card just a few weeks ago; a Radeon R9 270 X, and up until now it's performed spendidly on ultra settings in ESO. There's been no issues whatsoever until the Craglorn patch.

    When I first noticed this issue I did notice my video card drivers crashed.

    I saw one other person reporting a similar issue in another thread, which leads me to be more inclined there's an issue with the game. Things aren't too hot inside my tower and all fans appear to be working well.

  • Nooblet
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    nidriks wrote: »
    I've experienced some pretty nasty problems regarding ESO today, but it hasn't happened until I've logged out of the game. Almost as soon as I exit ESO My graphics card goes nuts and distorts my whole screen with lines and mixes up the picture.

    Now I know this is often a sign of overheating, but I've got my video card temperatures monitored and they don't appear to be too high, though it's hard to tell when the screen suddenly distorts like it does.

    I fixed a new graphics card just a few weeks ago; a Radeon R9 270 X, and up until now it's performed spendidly on ultra settings in ESO. There's been no issues whatsoever until the Craglorn patch.

    When I first noticed this issue I did notice my video card drivers crashed.

    I saw one other person reporting a similar issue in another thread, which leads me to be more inclined there's an issue with the game. Things aren't too hot inside my tower and all fans appear to be working well.

    That's kinda what I'm saying. While it was running pretty hot and seemed like an overheating issue.. I've had it hotter without a crash.

    I do not know for sure what caused the crash, but to me seemed logical to be overheating... yet illogical because it's been hotter.
    Edited by Nooblet on May 24, 2014 10:46PM
  • Korvadiel
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    I agree.
  • nidriks
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    Nooblet wrote: »
    nidriks wrote: »
    I've experienced some pretty nasty problems regarding ESO today, but it hasn't happened until I've logged out of the game. Almost as soon as I exit ESO My graphics card goes nuts and distorts my whole screen with lines and mixes up the picture.

    Now I know this is often a sign of overheating, but I've got my video card temperatures monitored and they don't appear to be too high, though it's hard to tell when the screen suddenly distorts like it does.

    I fixed a new graphics card just a few weeks ago; a Radeon R9 270 X, and up until now it's performed spendidly on ultra settings in ESO. There's been no issues whatsoever until the Craglorn patch.

    When I first noticed this issue I did notice my video card drivers crashed.

    I saw one other person reporting a similar issue in another thread, which leads me to be more inclined there's an issue with the game. Things aren't too hot inside my tower and all fans appear to be working well.

    That's kinda what I'm saying. While it was running pretty hot and seemed like an overheating issue.. I've had it hotter without a crash.

    I do not know for sure what caused the crash, but to me seemed logical to be overheating... yet illogical because it's been hotter.

    Personally, I think if my GPU was overheating then I'd experience issues in game. I don't.

    Since I replied to this thread I have been back in game for about 30 minutes. I spoke to a friend and he was pretty bemused and kind of agreed with me about it not sounding like overheating. I changed the fullscreen settings back to windowed fullscreen (or whatever the setting was before - seen it on posts here today) and I also switched on vsync. I exited fine with no problems, but I was only in for 30 minutes.

    My GPU temp never rose above 59 in that whole 30 minutes of playing.

    I won't rule out overheating, but my video card is 3 weeks old, it performed fine before the big patch (I do a lot of AvA and there's a lot of people there - I have no problems) and I've had no problems with any other game. Also, if it was overheating wouldn't I see problems in game?

    I just don't understand why it would cause the messed up screen that it caused. Would crashed video drivers not responding cause that?

    I'm reluctant to play ESO until I know I'm not screwing up an expensive video card. I already replaced one for this game; though admittedly that one had been a 2009 card and just couldn't cope.
    Edited by nidriks on May 24, 2014 11:52PM
  • Atreidus
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    Hi all. Afer comparing and chatting over hours and days i can say the point of the memory leak/cpu overdrive an optional freeze is at 4 to 4.1 gb ram usage. And for systems with max. 16 GB RAM.
    I am hoping, Zenimax can get some usage out of this hard worked info.
    /edit: if you got more RAM and it is still happening then please write it.
    My System is PC Windows 7 SP 1
    Ram Avaiable: 6GB
    Leak: yes
    Usage: about 4.1 GB
    System(PC or mac and Operatingsystem):
    Ram avaiable:
    Leak: yes or no.
    Optional info: how much Ram was used as the leaks came up.
    Edited by Atreidus on May 25, 2014 12:05AM
  • nidriks
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    @Nooblet‌ It looks like some zones incl Deshaan were worst hit. I wonder if Stonefalls is on the list.

    I'm not sure how to tell why certain accounts were affected and others were not given my friend's almost identiecal laptop was unaffected, yet mine is heamorrhaging memory whenever my ESO client and launcher are open, crashing whenever I try to alt tab out. We have the same GPU with same physical memory. I haven't had any overheating issues or problems with my GPU-memory is a different story.

    And no changing to windowed full screen makes very little difference when the memory hemmorhage is already causing lag and inevitable crash. Have submitted two reports in game and one cust serv email via the forum. So far recieved one response to in game bug report with instructions on how to add ports to my router.

    I hadn't thought that the zone might be to blame. On Friday, after the patch, I spent most of my game time in Eyedea (spp..the mages guild place) and I experienced no issues upon exiting the game.

    Today I have been in Bangkorai all day and have had major 'overheating' like issues upon exiting ESO.

    Have they changed something with the make up of the zones?

  • Nooblet
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    nidriks wrote: »
    Nooblet wrote: »
    nidriks wrote: »
    I've experienced some pretty nasty problems regarding ESO today, but it hasn't happened until I've logged out of the game. Almost as soon as I exit ESO My graphics card goes nuts and distorts my whole screen with lines and mixes up the picture.

    Now I know this is often a sign of overheating, but I've got my video card temperatures monitored and they don't appear to be too high, though it's hard to tell when the screen suddenly distorts like it does.

    I fixed a new graphics card just a few weeks ago; a Radeon R9 270 X, and up until now it's performed spendidly on ultra settings in ESO. There's been no issues whatsoever until the Craglorn patch.

    When I first noticed this issue I did notice my video card drivers crashed.

    I saw one other person reporting a similar issue in another thread, which leads me to be more inclined there's an issue with the game. Things aren't too hot inside my tower and all fans appear to be working well.

    That's kinda what I'm saying. While it was running pretty hot and seemed like an overheating issue.. I've had it hotter without a crash.

    I do not know for sure what caused the crash, but to me seemed logical to be overheating... yet illogical because it's been hotter.

    Personally, I think if my GPU was overheating then I'd experience issues in game. I don't.

    Since I replied to this thread I have been back in game for about 30 minutes. I spoke to a friend and he was pretty bemused and kind of agreed with me about it not sounding like overheating. I changed the fullscreen settings back to windowed fullscreen (or whatever the setting was before - seen it on posts here today) and I also switched on vsync. I exited fine with no problems, but I was only in for 30 minutes.

    My GPU temp never rose above 59 in that whole 30 minutes of playing.

    I won't rule out overheating, but my video card is 3 weeks old, it performed fine before the big patch (I do a lot of AvA and there's a lot of people there - I have no problems) and I've had no problems with any other game. Also, if it was overheating wouldn't I see problems in game?

    I just don't understand why it would cause the messed up screen that it caused. Would crashed video drivers not responding cause that?

    I'm reluctant to play ESO until I know I'm not screwing up an expensive video card. I already replaced one for this game; though admittedly that one had been a 2009 card and just couldn't cope.

    Yes sorry I'm not saying yours was overheating, was referring to mine and kinda agreeing that it didn't really seem like overheating cuz mines run hotter. But typically thought computer just shutting down and rebooting was caused from overheating.
  • Atreidus
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    Mine was overheating to. Cause i have an temperature based cooler and it sounded like an jet for up to 3 minutes. That is extreme for this huge cooler fan.
    Edited by Atreidus on May 25, 2014 12:14AM
  • nidriks
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    Nooblet wrote: »
    nidriks wrote: »
    Nooblet wrote: »
    nidriks wrote: »
    I've experienced some pretty nasty problems regarding ESO today, but it hasn't happened until I've logged out of the game. Almost as soon as I exit ESO My graphics card goes nuts and distorts my whole screen with lines and mixes up the picture.

    Now I know this is often a sign of overheating, but I've got my video card temperatures monitored and they don't appear to be too high, though it's hard to tell when the screen suddenly distorts like it does.

    I fixed a new graphics card just a few weeks ago; a Radeon R9 270 X, and up until now it's performed spendidly on ultra settings in ESO. There's been no issues whatsoever until the Craglorn patch.

    When I first noticed this issue I did notice my video card drivers crashed.

    I saw one other person reporting a similar issue in another thread, which leads me to be more inclined there's an issue with the game. Things aren't too hot inside my tower and all fans appear to be working well.

    That's kinda what I'm saying. While it was running pretty hot and seemed like an overheating issue.. I've had it hotter without a crash.

    I do not know for sure what caused the crash, but to me seemed logical to be overheating... yet illogical because it's been hotter.

    Personally, I think if my GPU was overheating then I'd experience issues in game. I don't.

    Since I replied to this thread I have been back in game for about 30 minutes. I spoke to a friend and he was pretty bemused and kind of agreed with me about it not sounding like overheating. I changed the fullscreen settings back to windowed fullscreen (or whatever the setting was before - seen it on posts here today) and I also switched on vsync. I exited fine with no problems, but I was only in for 30 minutes.

    My GPU temp never rose above 59 in that whole 30 minutes of playing.

    I won't rule out overheating, but my video card is 3 weeks old, it performed fine before the big patch (I do a lot of AvA and there's a lot of people there - I have no problems) and I've had no problems with any other game. Also, if it was overheating wouldn't I see problems in game?

    I just don't understand why it would cause the messed up screen that it caused. Would crashed video drivers not responding cause that?

    I'm reluctant to play ESO until I know I'm not screwing up an expensive video card. I already replaced one for this game; though admittedly that one had been a 2009 card and just couldn't cope.

    Yes sorry I'm not saying yours was overheating, was referring to mine and kinda agreeing that it didn't really seem like overheating cuz mines run hotter. But typically thought computer just shutting down and rebooting was caused from overheating.

    Yeah I know what you meant. I agree with you that this looks like overheating, but things shouldn't be overheating.

    My game doesn't crash, and that appears to be different from what you're experiencing. That's another thing that makes me think something is up to cause the screen display issues I've had. It's a whole lot of suspect that I only see this immediately after exiting ESO. If my GPU really was too hot then it'd crash ESO...or at least cause in game problems, surely? I was running a Ge Force GTX 285 before I fitted my current R9 270X and I know that overheated. I had ghosted images on the screen after a session of AvA.

    I don't know what else to say. I'm just throwing out thoughts here in the hope that I might get some clue as to what to do regarding this issue. But I'm tired and I'm going to bed. :#

    Edited by nidriks on May 25, 2014 12:20AM
  • Atreidus
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    You cant do anything for now. not even an RAM cleaner would work. And have an good night.
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