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Graphics Card Temp after new patch

Arwyn
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Pre patch I was running at 65c after the patch im hitting 73c now.

I notice that the graphics are smoother but the cost is a little high, I cant seem to lower the temprature with any settings either.

I know cards are designed to handle high temps but near 10c is quite a lot.

Anyone else had this or knows a way around it?
  • Arwyn
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    Found the problem, looks like its the new full screen doing it, went to full screen windowed and my temp is back down.
  • Sacklunch
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    Seems running in windowed keeps the temp down in most games. I'm not really sure why, probably not as much gpu/ram dedicated to the game? I noticed an increase in my core temp as well but not anything near 10 degrees(mine went up like 2-3). I don't know what kind of cooling you have set up in your pc but as vid cards are made to run at high temps it can still hurt the performance/longevity of the card. If I where you I would get some improved cooling instead of settling for playing in windowed.....
  • Arwyn
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    Sacklunch wrote: »
    Seems running in windowed keeps the temp down in most games. I'm not really sure why, probably not as much gpu/ram dedicated to the game? I noticed an increase in my core temp as well but not anything near 10 degrees(mine went up like 2-3). I don't know what kind of cooling you have set up in your pc but as vid cards are made to run at high temps it can still hurt the performance/longevity of the card. If I where you I would get some improved cooling instead of settling for playing in windowed.....

    Quite honestly I dont have any games that make it run above 60c, this has been one of the hotest for some time.
  • mowind
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    duster...blow that thing out.

    of if you have a compressor, just remember to unscrew the drain at the bottom first (don't want any moisture to spray out of the nozzle).
  • Smaxx
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    If you're running in Windowed mode, the window compositor (showing windows over each other and such) might slow down rendering. E.g. on Windows 7/8.1, it might even force programs to run at 60, 30, or even only 15 fps based on current performance (e.g. if you're running with vertical sync and you'd get 20 fps it's possible that Windows slows down the program or game to 15 fps for a more smooth experience).
  • Niliu
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    mowind wrote: »
    duster...blow that thing out.

    of if you have a compressor, just remember to unscrew the drain at the bottom first (don't want any moisture to spray out of the nozzle).

    They sell cans of compressed air that you can use to blow out a PC. Use em at work all the time. They work wonders.
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  • Arwyn
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    The windowed mode it is in now is the same mode it was working in pre patch, when I alt tab the game remains behind the window however with the new full screen mode an alt tab minimises the game. Basically being set to windowed mode is fine, its full screen from my view point as it doesnt have a title bar or any sign of it being windowed and my temp is back down to a comfortable 65c.

    Definitely a change with this patch but I have got around the problem at least.
  • Niliu
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    @Arwyn‌ Does switching from "true" full screen to the Windowed full screen change FPS at all?
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  • mowind
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    Niliu wrote: »
    mowind wrote: »
    duster...blow that thing out.

    of if you have a compressor, just remember to unscrew the drain at the bottom first (don't want any moisture to spray out of the nozzle).

    They sell cans of compressed air that you can use to blow out a PC. Use em at work all the time. They work wonders.


    Which is why i said duster....

  • Arwyn
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    Niliu wrote: »
    @Arwyn‌ Does switching from "true" full screen to the Windowed full screen change FPS at all?

    The FPS in the true full screen is higher by about 5-10fps, the windowed full screen is as it was before the patch. (40-60 fps depending on where I am)

    EDIT : The full screen fps jumps far more wildly than the windowed one.

    My machine is clean and as I said I dont get many (if any) high temp issues on most other things I play, 65-70c is well under the 560/ti's operating temp but the jump to 75c concerned me a little, at least now I know why.
    Edited by Arwyn on May 23, 2014 2:49PM
  • mowind
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    Arwyn wrote: »
    Niliu wrote: »
    @Arwyn‌ Does switching from "true" full screen to the Windowed full screen change FPS at all?

    The FPS in the true full screen is higher by about 5-10fps, the windowed full screen is as it was before the patch. (40-60 fps depending on where I am)

    My machine is clean and as I said I dont get many (if any) high temp issues on most other things I play, 65-70c is well under the 560/ti's operating temp but the jump to 75c concerned me a little, at least now I know why.

    Have you been monitoring your ambient, and CPU temps? do you know the temp of the room where the PC sits?

    many variables at play here, 10c is a significant temp increase...has to be some outside factor at play here.
  • Arwyn
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    mowind wrote: »
    Arwyn wrote: »
    Niliu wrote: »
    @Arwyn‌ Does switching from "true" full screen to the Windowed full screen change FPS at all?

    The FPS in the true full screen is higher by about 5-10fps, the windowed full screen is as it was before the patch. (40-60 fps depending on where I am)

    My machine is clean and as I said I dont get many (if any) high temp issues on most other things I play, 65-70c is well under the 560/ti's operating temp but the jump to 75c concerned me a little, at least now I know why.

    Have you been monitoring your ambient, and CPU temps? do you know the temp of the room where the PC sits?

    many variables at play here, 10c is a significant temp increase...has to be some outside factor at play here.

    By returning to the mode as it would have been pre patch everything is once again as it was. It seems they changed what they Fullscreen actually was, previously it operated like Fullscreen Windowed. Now its a real full screen which is clearly more demanding.

    Full screen windowed works as full screen did prior to the patch, which is perfect for me.
  • snigernissen
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    alot of people does not think about this but check your thermal paste, if your computer is getting over 8 months old, its tends to "evaporate" or simply fade away.
    Apply some new paste to your cards and cpu and that helps a ton with the cooling :)

    Besides that, make sure to lubricate your fans to once in a while and make sure to "dust of" your towers.

    changing cooler fans is also adviced about every 6 months.

    Hope these tips will help you guys out

    Now game on !!! :p
  • mowind
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    alot of people does not think about this but check your thermal paste, if your computer is getting over 8 months old, its tends to "evaporate" or simply fade away.
    Apply some new paste to your cards and cpu and that helps a ton with the cooling :)

    Besides that, make sure to lubricate your fans to once in a while and make sure to "dust of" your towers.

    changing cooler fans is also adviced about every 6 months.

    Hope these tips will help you guys out

    Now game on !!! :p

    this is asinine, how can you "check" thermal paste? once you break the seal between heat-sink/thermal paste you have to clean/reapply anyway...

    8 months and the thermal paste "evaporates/fades away"? is this meant to be a joke? SOOO much misinformation in this post....

    99% of manufactures use some form of High-Density Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound..granted some are of better quality than others...none of them "fades away" or "evaporates"..why would anything that helps conduct heat evaporate?

    Edited by mowind on May 23, 2014 3:13PM
  • Arwyn
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    Thanks for the help guys, it was always unlikely I was going to start re-applying thermal paste because of a games patch changing things but the suggestion was still appreciated.

    Problem is resolved from my point of view.

    The real fullscreen is still doable for me but seeing the 75c just gives me pause so will stick to the windowed one which for me is perfect anyway and at 60-65c it makes me feel more fuzzy inside :)
  • Helluin
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    I experienced quite the same as temperatures (just lower than yours) and also other issues, so atm I stick to windowed full screen.
    In fullscreen I had once a blue screen and I had some graphic issues while playing and especially closing/quitting the game.
    As GPU I have a Sapphire R9 270X Toxic (Catalyst V13.12c).

    I tested this also with the beta Catalyst 14.3:
    no problems in fullscreen neither in windowed fullscreen (no issues closing game neither while playing it). The only problem with the beta drivers is the temperature that is higher than with the latest release.
    "... and the blue fire of Helluin flickered in the mists above the borders of the world, in that hour the Children of the Earth awoke, the Firstborn of Ilúvatar."
  • Arwyn
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    Helluin wrote: »
    I experienced quite the same as temperatures (just lower than yours) and also other issues, so atm I stick to windowed full screen.
    In fullscreen I had once a blue screen and I had some graphic issues while playing and especially closing/quitting the game.
    As GPU I have a Sapphire R9 270X Toxic (Catalyst V13.12c).

    I tested this also with the beta Catalyst 14.3:
    no problems in fullscreen neither in windowed fullscreen (no issues closing game neither while playing it). The only problem with the beta drivers is the temperature that is higher than with the latest release.

    Would be nice to play with the fullscreen mode since the fps is greater. Im on Nvidia, will try updating drivers has been a month :p
  • DrywFiltiarn
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    The reason why the temperature is higher now, is because due to the dedicated full screen mode, the graphics card is put to work as it is supposed to. The full screen window mode, may use 80% or maybe less of what the GPU is capable of while dedicated fullscreen will try to squeeze out every last frame it can fit in a second :)
  • Helluin
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    But for temperatures, as you correctly stated, from what I tested I can say that there are also issues related to drivers.
    In fullscreen mode with (Sapphire) Catalyst latest release I had many problems, while with beta version not.
    "... and the blue fire of Helluin flickered in the mists above the borders of the world, in that hour the Children of the Earth awoke, the Firstborn of Ilúvatar."
  • Arwyn
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    So Nividia have some work to do to catch up. Thanks a ton guys, appreciate it.
  • stonelisticub17_ESO
    Arwyn wrote: »
    Found the problem, looks like its the new full screen doing it, went to full screen windowed and my temp is back down.
    This worked for me as well.

  • ThePonzzz
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    After reading this thread, I decided to clean out the dust inside my tower. Dropped by CPU temps from 80C to 65C. Good times!
  • sagitter
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    Have not tryed after patch. i m patching right now. This is the first and only game that rises my notebook gpu temp up to 90 C. degrees i don t know why. played here skyrim, Dark Souls, Tomb Raider 2013 and others game, max temp i had with these is 75 C. degrees. Bought a base cooler and dropped it to about 80, i hope the new patch is not going to burn my notebook :innocent:
    Gpu is nvidia 640m.
  • Sharakor
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    73C will do nothing to any semi-modern video card
  • DrywFiltiarn
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    ThePonzzz wrote: »
    After reading this thread, I decided to clean out the dust inside my tower. Dropped by CPU temps from 80C to 65C. Good times!

    Excellent example and proof of why keeping your system clean inside and out is important. Seem to many cases of systems, where after I opened them, could pull out clogs of dust the size of a tennisball. And then people get surprised their system runs hot.

    Usually this problem is worse with factory build systems from the large brands like HP, Acer, etc. they sqeeuze way to much hardware in a too small case, which will cause bad airflow in the case and heat building up. Custom build systems usually are build with spacier cases and will have way better airflow. Ofcourse whatever system you have, always keep it clean, be it a small or a small case.

    Dust collection on the electronics can worst case even destroy your system over time as dust will attract moisture from the air when humidity is high, which can result in shorting of your hardware.
    Edited by DrywFiltiarn on May 24, 2014 9:40AM
  • ThePonzzz
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    Yeah. For me, some dust was getting stuck between the fan and the heat sink. It wasn't noticeable until I shined a flashlight inside. At a glance, I thought it was all clean, but found some persistent stuff that needed some extra attention. A few static-free wipes to clean off the fans, a can of air, and almost like new.

    Just to keep things a bit smoother, I rearranged my tower to have better breathing room. I've been running RealTemp as I play, and even with a few other programs open, I usually sit nicely around 55c for most gameplay.

    This is a custom built Dell for gaming... Back in 2008. Still running strong! I can't play on Ultra. But still very nice on high.
  • Prettiboi
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    alot of people does not think about this but check your thermal paste, if your computer is getting over 8 months old, its tends to "evaporate" or simply fade away.
    Apply some new paste to your cards and cpu and that helps a ton with the cooling :)

    Besides that, make sure to lubricate your fans to once in a while and make sure to "dust of" your towers.

    changing cooler fans is also adviced about every 6 months.

    Hope these tips will help you guys out

    Now game on !!! :p

    LOL, my Intel Pentium 4 D still running strong with the same thermal paste it was applied back in 2003. Thermal paste evaporating or "fading away"? Please share whatever you're smoking. Must be some good stuff.
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  • theyancey
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    Arwyn, what temps are your cpu cores running?
  • DrywFiltiarn
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    Prettiboi wrote: »
    alot of people does not think about this but check your thermal paste, if your computer is getting over 8 months old, its tends to "evaporate" or simply fade away.
    Apply some new paste to your cards and cpu and that helps a ton with the cooling :)

    Besides that, make sure to lubricate your fans to once in a while and make sure to "dust of" your towers.

    changing cooler fans is also adviced about every 6 months.

    Hope these tips will help you guys out

    Now game on !!! :p

    LOL, my Intel Pentium 4 D still running strong with the same thermal paste it was applied back in 2003. Thermal paste evaporating or "fading away"? Please share whatever you're smoking. Must be some good stuff.

    Thermal past obviously doesn't evaporate or fade away, it that you are entirely right. Thermal paste does degrade over time though making it work less effective over time, but usually with a good brand/quality you'll be fine for a couple of years. A month or so ago I did some major maintenance on my system cleaning everything out and rebuilding my system into a new case and also removed my cooler and refreshed the thermal paste. Since this procedure my CPU does operate on a significantly lower temperature (60-65 celcius at 100% load before, vs 50-55 celcius at 100% load afterwards). I can't attribute the difference entirely to the thermal paste though as cleaning out the dust and such obviously will also help reducing temps again.
  • Murdox
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    I'm having crazy temperatures on my AMD 5870m cards in my laptop since the last patch. I guess I will have to try the windowed mode again if that's what kept the temperatures down before.
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