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Suggestion: Revert patch 1.1.2
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In all sincerity, I think this would be the best thing for the game and Zenimax Online Studios right now. I don't know who is particularly happy with the implemented changes, but the enormity of things broken in this patch far exceed the benefits. Many people cannot play at all (loading screen bug). Others have to wade through huge FPS drops and invisible monsters. Supposing you conquer these two issues, the mobs in veteran zones now hit so hard that every encounter deserves an orchestrated crescendo to accompany the epic struggle of fighting a single wasp or crocodile.
Let's not make an ego thing out of it, clearly you needed more time to test these changes. Everyone makes mistakes; I think that the best course of action to minimize the damage to your reputation and, indeed, your product would be to pull these changes - before customers without a serious conviction to ESO simply move on to more adequately managed waters (and likely much cheaper). I want to be clear that I've been enjoying the game up until this point, but the issues introduced with this patch have inspired me to find something more relaxing to occupy my time with.
Let's not make an ego thing out of it, clearly you needed more time to test these changes. Everyone makes mistakes; I think that the best course of action to minimize the damage to your reputation and, indeed, your product would be to pull these changes - before customers without a serious conviction to ESO simply move on to more adequately managed waters (and likely much cheaper). I want to be clear that I've been enjoying the game up until this point, but the issues introduced with this patch have inspired me to find something more relaxing to occupy my time with.
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InspectorGanja✭✭✭/AgreedThere are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't3 -
Slash8915✭✭✭✭✭I agree 110%. I feel a lot of people were waiting to decide whether or not to keep their subscription until 1.1.2 dropped. With all the bugs I've seen after this patch, I think it's safe to say that decision probably won't go in ZoS' favor unless they fix things asap.6 -
PurpleFox✭✭✭I agree...even though it did take me all day to download ._.IGN: Sophie Daedric-Heart
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alexmolthanb14a_ESOSoul ShrivenI would be playing tonight except I played for 45 minutes after working a 10 hour day, then I got kicked, and rolled back to when I first logged in this evening.
I'm already cranky enough after work without having to deal with that crap.
Roll the patch back, fix your database and everything else that got torq'd.4 -
Funny, played PvP most the day, then several hours in craglorn, not a single bug. As for the veteran content being 'buffed' its a simple l2p issue. Deal with it.9
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stoop✭✭✭Completely agree, This patch was obviously poorly tested and is plagued with seriously game-breaking bugs.4
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Slash8915✭✭✭✭✭the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »Funny, played PvP most the day, then several hours in craglorn, not a single bug. As for the veteran content being 'buffed' its a simple l2p issue. Deal with it.
Oh, *** off. It's not a l2p issue, [snip]. I had no issues taking on 3-4 mobs before the patch. Now, I have a good chance of dying while fighting 2 mobs.
[Moderator edit : content edited for language.]Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on May 23, 2014 3:55AM17 -
Sure it is. Plenty of us are doing craglorn easily.
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✭✭✭the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »Funny, played PvP most the day, then several hours in craglorn, not a single bug. As for the veteran content being 'buffed' its a simple l2p issue. Deal with it.
Another poster in another thread commented how VR7 mobs now have more HP and do more damage than VR11 mobs in Craglorn. How is this a L2P issue?
Let me add my voice to those calling for a rollback of this patch. It simply breaks far more than what it fixed or added.Edited by LonePirate on May 23, 2014 1:27AM4 -
Chrysolis✭✭✭the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »Funny, played PvP most the day, then several hours in craglorn, not a single bug. As for the veteran content being 'buffed' its a simple l2p issue. Deal with it.
What a singularly helpful remark. Unfortunately for the rest of us whom are not V10 and play all day long during the week as you've just admitted to, time is a concern and I do not want every single fight to be very challenging. Since you have likely completed all of the content then I would, in fact, assume that you wouldn't encounter as many bugs as the rest of us. As mature and insightful as "l2p" is, you will have to realize that you are the minority and most people are very unsatisfied with the changes.6 -
Because mobs are predictable and move/attack in ways that are easily avoidable with proper control in a battle. Whether you control the battle through kiting, CC,whatever, it's not really hard. I'm not saying I've never had an issue defeating certain mobs or bosses, but after learning how they fight it wasnt that hard.2
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the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »Funny, played PvP most the day, then several hours in craglorn, not a single bug. As for the veteran content being 'buffed' its a simple l2p issue. Deal with it.
What a singularly helpful remark. Unfortunately for the rest of us whom are not V10 and play all day long during the week as you've just admitted to, time is a concern and I do not want every single fight to be very challenging. Since you have likely completed all of the content then I would, in fact, assume that you wouldn't encounter as many bugs as the rest of us. As mature and insightful as "l2p" is, you will have to realize that you are the minority and most people are very unsatisfied with the changes.
Assuming I did more content than you, than I would have run into more bugs than you. I have run into bugs, some that aren't even fixed yet in fact (some of cadwells almanac quests don't work and cant be finished for some players, me included), but a good lot of them aren't a big deal.
It's also not insightful to suggest "remove this patch, I want the game back how it was", because that is obviously not going to happen.. for many reasons.
As for the the "l2p" issue, the most balanced games are often balanced at the maximum level. Why? Because, as a general rule of thumb, the more you play and the higher level you are, the more you know about the game. Many players complain about skills they feel are "OP" simply because they don't know how to deal with them yet. Like these mobs, maybe you just don't know how to deal with them? Have you exhausted all the options? Tried multiple skill sets? Many players have to redesign their skills when they reach VR, no reason not to do it again when they buff the content.
Now, if you don't want challenging content, well thats a whole other debate . There are tons of us on the other side who prefer challenging content which drives us nuts.4 -
Chrysolis✭✭✭Assuming I did more content than you, than I would have run into more bugs than you. I have run into bugs, some that aren't even fixed yet in fact (some of cadwells almanac quests don't work and cant be finished for some players, me included), but a good lot of them aren't a big deal.
It's also not insightful to suggest "remove this patch, I want the game back how it was", because that is obviously not going to happen.. for many reasons.
As for the the "l2p" issue, the most balanced games are often balanced at the maximum level. Why? Because, as a general rule of thumb, the more you play and the higher level you are, the more you know about the game. Many players complain about skills they feel are "OP" simply because they don't know how to deal with them yet. Like these mobs, maybe you just don't know how to deal with them? Have you exhausted all the options? Tried multiple skill sets? Many players have to redesign their skills when they reach VR, no reason not to do it again when they buff the content.
Now, if you don't want challenging content, well thats a whole other debate . There are tons of us on the other side who prefer challenging content which drives us nuts.
I'm sorry but you simply aren't understanding the issue. Since the bugs being referred to were introduced in this patch, it does not follow that you would have encountered more of them - because you have already completed this content before the release of this patch. I have offered sound reasons why the patch should be reverted, it's as simple as a cost-benefit analysis.
I know plenty about the game and I can confidently say I am a very competent player with lots of MMO experience. I did not have any of these issues pre-patch, they were introduced with the changes. The mobs in question are not special, and while I have not changed skills, respecced, or swapped out gear to try to adapt to regular encounters, I shouldn't have to.
I'm not saying I don't appreciate challenging content. I certainly do. But I don't want every - single - fight to be challenging, that is totally exhausting and pointless. There is always one "pro" whom comes to tell everyone that he's better than them under the guise of white-knighting for a multi million dollar corporation; but just pause for a few minutes and consider what it is you're actually advocating.7 -
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This is the next one on the to be nerfed list.the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »Pro tip: Get volcanic rune
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Chrysolis✭✭✭Just a bump so that this thread is not derailed by trolls. This is a matter of customer support.2
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Bigpapa1278✭✭✭Quests all reset, and my DK is useless I get mobbed to death everywhere. If they don't change it in the next few weeks I will be unsubscribing. I wanted a tank. Not some *** character that can't even take on 3 enemies that were buffed by 1.5k hp.
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Garetth✭✭✭✭In all sincerity, I think this would be the best thing for the game and Zenimax Online Studios right now. I don't know who is particularly happy with the implemented changes, but the enormity of things broken in this patch far exceed the benefits. Many people cannot play at all (loading screen bug). Others have to wade through huge FPS drops and invisible monsters. Supposing you conquer these two issues, the mobs in veteran zones now hit so hard that every encounter deserves an orchestrated crescendo to accompany the epic struggle of fighting a single wasp or crocodile.
Let's not make an ego thing out of it, clearly you needed more time to test these changes. Everyone makes mistakes; I think that the best course of action to minimize the damage to your reputation and, indeed, your product would be to pull these changes - before customers without a serious conviction to ESO simply move on to more adequately managed waters (and likely much cheaper). I want to be clear that I've been enjoying the game up until this point, but the issues introduced with this patch have inspired me to find something more relaxing to occupy my time with.
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Chrysolis✭✭✭If I hadn't been quoted already I would've edited my post to include that you probably wouldn't be able to hear the orchestra anyway, not over deafening percussion of horse gallops. There are so many issues that came about with the introduction of this patch, it would really be far more efficient to revert to 1.08 and work on it from there.
Or if that's not a possibility - let's just call it 1.10; keep Craglorn in the game but return the "fixes" to an earlier state. Honestly, I think if the whole weekend goes by without addressing some of these problems, come Monday Zenimax Online Studios will be thousands of subscriptions lighter.3 -
Chirru✭✭✭✭the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »Sure it is. Plenty of us are doing craglorn easily.
Pro tip: Get volcanic rune
Just wait a while and this also will be stealth nerfed... Then you will be crying.
Yes, you are an elitist who most likely used every exploit in the game to get to the top. Just saying....5 -
CrimsonThomas✭✭✭✭/Signed and /Agree wholeheartedly.
Shame on you, Zenimax.
I suspect that all of the players who were on the fence just made the decision to unsubscribe, and with good reason. When my subscription ends in July, I likely will not be purchasing another time card. I'm not paying for Zenimax to run in circles around their customers while they choose to shove more and more game-breaking updates out of the door.
Seriously, this is your first major content update, and you break the game even worse, a feat that I didn't even think possible. While the majority of us have lost our achievements, you have gained a huge one, Zenimax. Great.
Zenimax has shown us all how little they care, so it may be best to just cut our losses and let them lie down in the grave they've dug themselves.
Come Monday, I feel that Tameriel is going to be a quiet place.
They used the same "Shove it out the door, we'll patch it later" attitude for a patch. I believe this sends a huge message to all of us.Edited by CrimsonThomas on May 23, 2014 3:53AM3 -
justjon1007Soul Shriven/signed I'm fine with some of the balance parts such as Shield Bash and the like however this increased difficulty to the VR content is just uncalled for. What did we do (The players) to deserve such a kick in the teeth
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CrimsonThomas✭✭✭✭justjon1007 wrote: »/signed I'm fine with some of the balance parts such as Shield Bash and the like however this increased difficulty to the VR content is just uncalled for. What did we do (The players) to deserve such a kick in the teeth
It's some of the highest arrogance I've seen from a game developer.
Wait, no. This is the highest arrogance I have ever seen from a game developer.
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