How do you exploit/grind from V1-V10?

Aeradon · May 2014

On topic: So there is no possible way to grind VR1-10? Sorry, just hitting 49 and would like to know what's the xp percentage of mob vs level. (Anchors and Pubs seems fun, my concern is the possibility of AOE grinding)

Off topic: Everybody plays their own ways, that's what this game is supposed to be. On some days, I grind like there's no tomorrow, the sense of accomplishment and curiosity kills me, and I want to get my hands on crafting the best gear knowing that I won't out level them in a day. On some days, I prefer laughing at what the NPC says and being the champion lapdog of the alliance, some quests are really fun and I don't wanna miss out.

I personally don't see the reason for arguing about play styles and or criticising one for wanting to do what they want.

So guys, aside from the levelling, do people actually runaway from VR10? LOLOLOL Guess they didn't read about battle levels?

grizzbi · May 2014

spinedoc wrote: »

kieso wrote: »

Craglorn honestly should have been made for VR 1-10, it's silly to up the level cap this quickly with so poor VR content in place.

Exactly. Give the VR1 to VR10 players something to do, other than lazily making them do existing quests which they will probably do on alts anyhow.

Craglorn should be accessible and scaled from VR1 to VR10. And players should be able to choose if they want to "grind" Craglorn or do the "regular quests". Or a mix of them..maybe.

But don't overlook the VR regular areas / quests / dungeons: they bring some challenge. The private dungeon are difficult. They also bring reward which could maybe help in Craglorn. Why would you just skip all this content? Do you think that it's useless, uninteresting and too easy? It's definitely not. It's part of the game. If you just skip them, you miss a big part of the current game.

Grimnix173 · May 2014

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/93749/grimnix-s-veteran-rank-leveling-guide-v1-v10#latest

v1-v10 leveling guide I wrote

Melian · May 2014

Slow down. Life is to be savored.

(However, I'm all for having as many ways to level as possible. I do enjoy the quests, but I don't think I'll enjoy them as much on my fifth alt).

adowen_ESO · May 2014

grizzbi wrote: »

adowen_ESO wrote: »

Just kidding but seriously.... the veteran rank 1-10 grind is ridiculous.... it is nowhere near as fun as what 1-50 was. I hope this is addressed.

It depends. The increased difficulty is refreshing. Now I got to think, to adapt my build, to change it for different situation, to use use potions in each fight, to identify danger and avoid it if necessary, etc..

The game was too easy and it was a grind from lvl 1 to 50.

Now it's a real game with some challenge. And I love that! Many things can and should be improved. But I hope they won't get rid of the difficulty.

I agree, I really like the difficulty of it, the challenge is a breath of fresh air. But they could still have it challenging without it being grindy.

Rotherhans · May 2014

Aeradon wrote: »

On topic: So there is no possible way to grind VR1-10? Sorry, just hitting 49 and would like to know what's the xp percentage of mob vs level. (Anchors and Pubs seems fun, my concern is the possibility of AOE grinding)

The Devs have promised that Craglorn will be another possibility to get through your Vets, albeit very hard (probably impossible) on your own.
Also Cryodil will get XP boost for player kills (possibly other things too), so that one can do their Vets there too.

I´m actually very much hoping for that as regrinding old content (I´m leveling one alt per faction) does not appeal to me in any way shape or form.

ZurinArctus · May 2014

I never did any faction besides Daggerfall so to run through it all for the first time was nice.

To repeat it, not so much. I could see the drag if someone really played out each of the factions in beta or on alts post release. I'm not an alt person myself, preferring to devote to just one char, but definitely would be a buzz killer if I was forced to redo it all.

Csub · May 2014

Grimnix173 wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/93749/grimnix-s-veteran-rank-leveling-guide-v1-v10#latest

v1-v10 leveling guide I wrote

Awesome guide there!

Rotherhans · May 2014

Just wanted to post this guide too, which is I believe originally from the Tamriel Foundry fora.
Great guide!

Sanguinantis · May 2014

adowen_ESO wrote: »

Just kidding but seriously.... the veteran rank 1-10 grind is ridiculous.... it is nowhere near as fun as what 1-50 was. I hope this is addressed.

There is no need to grind at all! Just take you time. Do all quests and enjoy the Stories! When you are done, you should be Rank 8 or maybe 10.

From there, it wont take you to grind much long. Just a few Dungeons and you become VR10!

Sit back, close your Teamspeak and enjoy! :-)

Mortelus · May 2014

Great so by the time I get to VR levels they'll have been nerfed to a quick 5 quests= 1lvl I suppose.

I hate fast leveling, I spend hours farming for mats in the lower levels to craft gear for myself only to out level it a few minutes later. I wish MMO's would move away from the zerg to max level. I thought this game was heading in that direction. Guess that will change soon and it will be just like wow 90 levels to which 89 mean f-all given they flash by so fast.

I am a casual gamer; my highest character is till only level 14 and I started on 5 day EA. I was looking forward to the slow pace of VR levels, hope it doesn't change to be quicker and easier

Rotherhans · May 2014

Nobody is keeping you from it.

So your playstyle is slower and pretty much what Zeni wants us all to do.
Create one character and just play along eventually playing through the content of all 3 factions one after the other.

I also like to smell the pixels but I already have 6 alts next to my my main, 2 of those my additional crafting alts in each faction that I seem to level up slowly too, when I´m fed up with my main´s faction art and fighting style.

This "Veteran" rehash of, to me, old content is simply lazy game design.
Very much reminiscent of typical console gameplay.

Catches_the_Sun · May 2014

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Why do I want to be at VR10? I'm sorry but has got to be the most....i dunno how to say it without being rude. Why play a video game, ever? Because I want progress. Even pong has a purpose : to achieve the highest score and have fun in the process!

And of course theres no need to mention VR10 gear (that is worth it to be upgraded to legendary), the cyrodiil VR10 fear factor, sense of accomplishment, sense of progress, achievements and all these unimportant things, right?

Would it satisfy you if we all just logged in on day 1 & were VR10, with no leveling system, just assigning our skill points? I'm sorry, I just can't wrap my head around the need to rush...it's not even necessarily the need to rush, but the need to find ways (exploits) to get there. Then what? Go to Cyrodiil & think you're a god for 30 days or so until everybody else on the map catches up & facerolls you? Followed by the "PvP is boring" comments & the unsub.

I would also like to understand what the sense of accomplishment is by exploiting your way to VR10? This is a serious question...we all know that the vast majority of players currently at VR10 exploited their way there (and it is still going on). So how does this give you a sense of accomplishment?

As far as the OP's question, I'm actually surprised you don't know of the exploit. Players are so nonchalant about it, they advertise it zone chat, in /yell & even in my trade guilds when they're looking to fill a group.

Mortelus · May 2014

Rotherhans wrote: »

Nobody is keeping you from it.

So your playstyle is slower and pretty much what Zeni wants us all to do.
Create one character and just play along eventually playing through the content of all 3 factions one after the other.

I also like to smell the pixels but I already have 6 alts next to my my main, 2 additional crafting alts in each faction that I seem to level up slowly to when I´m fed up with my main´s faction art style and fighting.

This "Veteran" rehash of, to me, old content is simply lazy game design.
Very much reminiscent of typical console gameplay.

I don't disagree with the implementation of re-using older the other factions, it does hamper alt making on other factions, (somthing i am not going to do, EP through-and-through), But I thought we were discussing the ease of VR levels not the content.

adowen_ESO · May 2014

As far as the time it takes to get from VR1-10.... I don't mind the difficulty or the length. However, there aren't really any options to level.

There needs to be other options that are reasonable.

Such as make the other 2 factions lands optional..... After going from 1-50 in my own lands, Maybe I don't want to experience the other 2 lands... why can't i just PVP in Cyrodil from VR1-10 at a similar pace someone would level doing the quests in the other lands?

Why can't I grind mobs to level from VR1-10 in a similar manner as those that would want to just PVP from 1-10 or those that want to quest from 1-10?

It feels grindy because there is only 1 way to get there in an effective manner and that is questing.

People have different play styles and I am one to not enjoy quests(granted I have listened to every quest both side and main from level 1- almost to VR6 now) I figured I'd try a different approach than my usual play style.

TLDR: allow us the option to level from VR1-10 in Cyrodil or grinding in a reasonable manner as those questing.

Zubba · May 2014

I pvp 100%. Simply hate doing quests in any game.

smokes · May 2014

in retrospect, locking out VR content until craglorn was ready would've been preferable.

pvp would have remained balanced and i bet a lot more people would've been enjoying it - as only gear would've made the difference. no VR10's steamrolling an an entire zerg single handed.

levelling in the other faction zones would've then been optional, not mandatory.

they could've made craglorn VR1-5 and left cadwells gold whatsit until the next content patch. giving players the option to do a slow grind through another faction solo, faster progress in craglorn in a group, pvp or a combination of all.

progressing through the other faction would've been something to do when none of your friends were online - it should never have been introduced as "the only way" to VR10.

endgame is all about the gearing and refinement of your build - crafting, getting the set items, the right enchants, farming the upgrade mats, capping your professions etc etc - i've got something like 12/13 days played so far and i've just hit VR4. i didn't "rush" to max level, i played through 1-50 reading all the quest text, listening to the npc's and thoroughly enjoyed the story. i've got an alt at level 17 too, but the thought of rinding out VR1-10 on that just fills me with dread.

VR1-4 so far has just been a massive grind, i'm barely sticking with it in the hope "something" changes, but my g/f gave up at VR2, she can't face the grind. she started levelling an alt instead, but her interest is definitely waning.

i love this game, but there's something very wrong in the current layout of veteran ranks - i'd almost prefer a VR rollback to bring everyone onto an even keel, but i can't imagine that'd be positively recieved by those who have already grinded their way to VR10. (although with a little bit of thought and due process, it could be done)

kitsinni · May 2014

There are only 4 easy ways to get through VR1-VR10.

1) play a dragonkight faceroll through the entire thing taking on packs of 5+ with little to no downtimes
2) Play a dragonkight
3) Play a sorc
4) Play with a lot of friends

Thechemicals · May 2014

1-50 is the game experience. Veteran 1-10 is just boring and id love to speed to 10 so i can pvp at optimal level.

Catches_the_Sun · May 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

1-50 is the game experience. Veteran 1-10 is just boring and id love to speed to 10 so i can pvp at optimal level.

I guess I don't understand this mindset. If you enjoy 1-50 game experience, how do you not enjoy VR1-10? It's basically the exact same thing, you just level slower.

kieso · May 2014

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

1-50 is the game experience. Veteran 1-10 is just boring and id love to speed to 10 so i can pvp at optimal level.

I guess I don't understand this mindset. If you enjoy 1-50 game experience, how do you not enjoy VR1-10? It's basically the exact same thing, you just level slower.

Just like anything in life when it's too mind numbingly slow seeing the end result becomes difficult and enjoyment wanes; the trick is to either find a good medium ground or mask the grind so well you don't see it.

Csub · May 2014

kieso wrote: »

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

1-50 is the game experience. Veteran 1-10 is just boring and id love to speed to 10 so i can pvp at optimal level.

I guess I don't understand this mindset. If you enjoy 1-50 game experience, how do you not enjoy VR1-10? It's basically the exact same thing, you just level slower.

Just like anything in life when it's too mind numbingly slow seeing the end result becomes difficult and enjoyment wanes; the trick is to either find a good medium ground or mask the grind so well you don't see it.

Yes but if you enjoyed the leveling from 1 to 50 and you enjoy questing in general then your mind shouldnt be on the max level/rank and the pace of getting there but on the process of questing instead.