How do you exploit/grind from V1-V10?

adowen_ESO

Just kidding but seriously.... the veteran rank 1-10 grind is ridiculous.... it is nowhere near as fun as what 1-50 was. I hope this is addressed.

Empu

I'd say fastest way to level would be to kill all the world bosses + anchors and possibly public dungeons.

Come Craglorn content patch you'll be able to level faster as they improve the experience gained if i've understood correctly.

I did enjoy veteran content myself, added some needed difficulty to MMO's

adowen_ESO

True... i have been doing all of that. However, there is a difference between difficulty and grinding. Yeah, some of the boss NPC's are very difficult to kill... but the time it takes to 'grind' through all of this is discouraging to say the least.

I guess it wouldn't be as bad if I could jsut pvp in cyrodil and get xp just as fast as a person that wants to just do pve content.

Empu

I believe that's one of the things they'll be changing Adowen, i agree it was rough however

adowen_ESO

I sure hope so.... I like the challenge of the game... for example I ran a Vet dungeon tonight... Im currently V5 and about 65% through it.... but to be honest the XP was *** in there... and im tired of getting crap xp for side quests/mobs or even chests.... you are eseentailly 'forced' to do the main questline/dolmens/dungeons... there isn't really another way to level. You can't grind mobs(in a realistic reward vs time matter) or pvp to get vet ranks. As it is too, I do every single side quest/main quest/ dungeon/dolmen/public dungeon and instanced dungeon and I am gradually falling behind on my level compared to the zone I should be... at the rate I am goign I imagine I'll run out of content around rank 9.


I haven't a clue what I'd do after that 0_o

Artemiisia

why do u need to be vr10 so fast actually?

adowen_ESO

I find that a silly question... that's like asking why you want to make money in real life?

adowen_ESO

It just needs to be streamlined differently... I currently have friends that i have played MMO's with for several years that are starting to drop off the radar in the veteran ranks... once they are all gone... I'll leave to wherever they go. Because I enjoy playing with my friends

LadyInTheWater

Artemiisia wrote: »

why do u need to be vr10 so fast actually?

I was wondering that same thing myself. I've been playing since day 2, and I'm only level 20.

And, I don't really understand the comparison between quickly reaching V10, and earning money in real-life. Anyone care to elaborate for me?

Cogo

Everyone have different interests in a game.

To many players in ESO missed the small detail that the journey to the high levels and beyond is MORE then reaching highest level.

I started the second on the sunday at the 5 day early access. I only have one char. I am 33 atm but I've been busy with....to name a few, building a guild thats worth the name, exploring, tradeskill, TALKING to people (I am a chatty bugger) and doing dungeons, instances quests in the pace I like.

So far, not one single second in the game have been boring.

You may or may not noticed, but quite a few who reached top level very quckly, isnt playing much now. They have nothing to do! They say. The small feature that opens up for you at high level is to be able to go to other factions dungeons and explore them, and of course hunt for skyshards.

ESO have really tried to market the game as a NONE grinding game. And that there is no "best" way to do anything. Your story, which starts at level 1, is all about you and your own choices that you get the effects of, good or bad, but they are yours!

Regarding why people rush to highest level, probebly using every single addon there is CAN be blamed on WoW, which set a moronic "stardard" for players who didnt know any better. The term "leveling" comes from wow.

In ESO, we dont "level", we play. You decide what is fun and right for you, no one else. No other game other then possibly EVE have done this, but with to many restrictions.

Hell, in ESO, a dragonknight with tank gear and spec can be a healer, lol. Not the best healer, but if they wish, they can.

AND, as other MMO, ESO have an end game where several factors will be important. Knowing your build, teamworking, cooperating with a group in specific situations. And to be able to do all this, the brave veteran heroes who are taking on the hardest encounters in the game, must be prepared with the best tradeskillers can offer. May it be gear, potions, food or what.

AlexanderTheGreat

I agree. 1-50 was fun with the mages guild, main story, and fighters guild quests. Some of the zone quests are interesting as well, but most are just generic "harr i lost me booty please help me!"

VR1-10 is some of the most tedious grinding. I've gotten to the point where I don't even want to hear their quest drivel anymore. I know exactly what they're going to want me to do. Go to a nearby area, kill a few mobs, press E on a few things, and then kill a boss.

kreekitb16_ESO

Funny to see how so many of you say: we all have different interests in the game but condemn "rushers" as idiots not playing at all...
I call it "rushers" because i didnt rush at all.. did all Quests and i am at VR 10 already for a few days with "nothing left to do", why farm the VR10 Dungeon Gear at all? in few days Craglorn is coming and VR12 is max then... so its wasted time, farming non-fun Dungeons for items which dont even drop

You like the pace you Play , we like our pace... noone tells you that you are an idiot because you are "only" lvl10 or 33 atm... but YOU call VR Players moronic...
And it is NO FUN, almost 1000 Quests (Achievement YAY!) ... which differ only a Little bit... so you have fun lvling or as you call it playing but repeating the same crap over and over... well it is called grinding... YOU grind Quests, others prefer grinding NPCs/Mobs/whatever.

Exploring Dungeons is one of your Points.. ROFL! ever opened the Dungeon Map? perhaps you noticed how different they all are... lol, oh look! on the left is the way to the door you can only use from the other side on your way out!

I enjoyed the Game from 1-50, but repeating the same Story 2more times? Rescue the Alliance! Save the Queen/King/HighKing and assist their spies?
Really nice, yes. You get 1 Veteran Rank per Zone ( more or less...) which is lackluster in the Progression Part... doing These zones BEFORE VR1 gets you a few Levels, which is way more rewarding as 1 crappy VetRank.

You have fun playing the game for the next 2 months, perhaps 3 months till you snail-speed-players reach max VR and start complaining about the same Thing as others do already. i am Curious if you still say there is no grind then...

EDIT: Forgot the Topic! .. get into the public Group dungeons and get a Group to grind ... it is the fastest way without doing Quests it seems, preferably the highest Rank for your Zone i.e. VR5 and VR10 ones... almost always farm Groups there

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO

Why do I want to be at VR10? I'm sorry but has got to be the most....i dunno how to say it without being rude. Why play a video game, ever? Because I want progress. Even pong has a purpose : to achieve the highest score and have fun in the process!

And of course theres no need to mention VR10 gear (that is worth it to be upgraded to legendary), the cyrodiil VR10 fear factor, sense of accomplishment, sense of progress, achievements and all these unimportant things, right?

Sarenia

kreekitb16_ESO wrote: »

Funny to see how so many of you say: we all have different interests in the game but condemn "rushers" as idiots not playing at all...

You seem to be lost. This isn't an "anti-rusher" thread.

More likely, you were upset by a perceived persecution of rushers in previous threads, and thought it appropriate to vent your frustrations here based on a loose and exaggerated interpreation of benign statements herein.

I would recommend you seek out a more appropriate thread to strike a blow to the ebil coalition of anti-rushers.

hamon

adowen_ESO wrote: »

Just kidding but seriously.... the veteran rank 1-10 grind is ridiculous.... it is nowhere near as fun as what 1-50 was. I hope this is addressed.

i feel your pain. i,m vet 8 now and i just want it over tbh. it seems to me it feels grindy cos mobs take too long to kill unless your sorc or DK. That and the reward for doing so is so pityfull. That and a realisation that you are pretty much going to have to do every quest in the entire game to get there without having to spend about a week in a public dungeon cos you chose to skip a zone you didnt like.

Ive been saying for over a week now that vet mode feels grindy and sucks the fun for a variety of reasons largely due to forcing choices on the player they didnt have on the way to 50. forced respecs, ive had to re-spec a few times to find ways to up my damage, adopt weapons i'd rather not use etc. doing factions you don't want/like. killing mobs for pityfull rewards. Feeling you simply have to do every quest knowing that even then you,ll most likely still be a million xp or so short from vet 10 when you run out of quests entirely.

All this adds up to a feeling of grind and sucks the fun and freedom the game had from 1-50 right out.

Knootewoot

adowen_ESO wrote: »

Just kidding but seriously.... the veteran rank 1-10 grind is ridiculous.... it is nowhere near as fun as what 1-50 was. I hope this is addressed.

For me it is just as fun. I just play the quests and stories and do dungeons just i did from 1-50. When i was 43 i PvP'ed a bit more and got to 50 with some quets in between. I am now vet 2 and in Auridon veteran area. Still lots of quests to do and i like doing them.

kreekitb16_ESO

Nope @Sarenia i am not upset being called a "rusher" because i am simply faster than you while i enjoy the game. Neither i am frustrated by your so called coalition of anti-rushers as stand true to the Statement: Play as you want, and i dont tell or ASK You why you are slower than me or others, why should i do this? You paid the same Money for the game as me, so enjoy it while it lasts.

BUT the TE was asking how to grind more effective/faster and People barging in asking him why he wants to Level faster. Not helping out answering his Question or giving Tips/hints, just plain stupid question, same as asking why watch TV Shows, or Play Sports... Because i can and want to do it perhaps?

I would recommend you playing the game and getting more screenshots, and do not interfere with the People who actually are NOT satisifed with the Game they bought. You are entitled your opinion, but do not deny me my own opinion on it and how i voice it.

Kililin

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Why do I want to be at VR10? I'm sorry but has got to be the most....i dunno how to say it without being rude. Why play a video game, ever? Because I want progress. Even pong has a purpose : to achieve the highest score and have fun in the process!

And of course theres no need to mention VR10 gear (that is worth it to be upgraded to legendary), the cyrodiil VR10 fear factor, sense of accomplishment, sense of progress, achievements and all these unimportant things, right?

except it wouldnt make much sense to waste leg. upgrade materials on V10 items, with craglorn V12 around the corner. The rest of your post is true, i have no idea why this needs to be explained, it is partly a pvp game and VR10 has more power than VR1 so if you are not heavily into zerging you want to provide your group with the best asset you are able to.

I am hoping for mobs in craglorn giving more xp, one can always hope

SexyVette07

I wish the instant gratification crowd of gamers today would actually stop and enjoy the game, rather than rushing through it to find.... nothing at the end!

1-50 = VR 1-5, you just dont level as often... like I said, instant gratification...

Audigy

LadyInTheWater wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

why do u need to be vr10 so fast actually?

I was wondering that same thing myself. I've been playing since day 2, and I'm only level 20.

And, I don't really understand the comparison between quickly reaching V10, and earning money in real-life. Anyone care to elaborate for me?

Ya some people are just weird, I don't know. Games are supposed to last and be fun, if someone runs through all the content just to be done with it, then he is definitely in the wrong genre.

Sad thing is, that exactly those people who represent a vocal minority will then complain about the game having no Endgame, nothing to do and being too easy ... while the majority is still playing, having great fun.

I honestly hope ZO will never cater to those rushers, they tend to destroy a lot in MMO´s with their attitude. If we look at wow, there is zero content left for people like us who play for fun and want to enjoy wonderful quest´s and the lore, its all about rush from dungeon to dungeon...

MMO´s were supposed to be about the journey and not the destination!

Spryt

I took it slow and enjoyed 1-50 content and stroy. I would have much rather the game "ended" at 50 then having to do vet content. Going back to other factions and doing story just feels wrong. Would have been better to just do it on a different character.

I know that I can just stop playing at 50. But new content and pvp kind of is made for vet levels. So unless I just want to play 3 charcters to 50 and then quit playing you have to do vet content.

I am in no rush to get to vet 10. But it would be nice to have a option to skip quests and save them for my next charcter. Could be nice if you could just grind dungeons or pvp to get vet xp and skillpoints. Hope they do increase XP for both.

Artemiisia

the reason I asked it, werent meant as a personal attack like some people take it.

I dont care how people play the game, each to each own gamestyle, I just find it rather funny though, the same people that rush to the "last" current level, are mostly the same people that complain about lack of end content.

dont get me wrong Im aiming to be a vr10 as well no doubt, I just think and again thats my personal opinion, you might have yours and I respect that, Im thinking its a shame not to enjoy the first 1-50 levels, some have said they did, and then after that enjoy the vr1-vr10 zones. Just to get to the last level.

in the past I had the kind of thinking myself gotta get myself to the last level and get the best gear as soon as possible, then well suddenly I find myself wondering why I rushed through content instead of actually consuming it, exploring it, "tasting" it, feeling it.

In age of conan as an exsampel, there are people rushing through the first 80 lvls and then they dont know how to actually play thier char, and what happens they at least from tier 3-4 raids gets kicked out of the raids.

Just because they dont know what exsampel Silence do as a HoX

Kililin

This is not a single player game.
There are single player activities, but it is an MMO.
It should be designed for playing together.
People at different phases of progress can not play together, there no such system in place. In fact the game is very strict about who may play together. (harsh penalties for lvl difference or outleveling content)

The only common ground is VR10, so it needs to be reached.

e.g. a guild consisting of 20 players evenly distributed over the level curve, only has a few possible group combinations, thats why they will try to reach VR5 at least.

This is maybe a reason that can be understood by non-progress players.
There are several reasons, it is just one.

Shaun98ca2

SO for the people at the end of the game what exactly do you want?

Endgame there is VERY little a developer can really do for content.

VR content IS very much harder. The grind to VR 10 = 100 levels of the game.

You say you just want to be over... what do you plan on doing at VR10??

You can PVP at ANY level of the game. Sure your more effective at VR10 but as a VR10 what are you going to do vrs 4 VR10s???? DIE or run away. PVP will always require a group.

I for one and VERY glad I am taking my time cause I know for a fact when I GET to VR10 there is nothing left to do except wait for more content. MAYBE I will get into pvp but for the most part I really just like PVE.

Rushing to the end of this game is SORTA like having completed all the raids in WOW. Where WOW the game starts with raiding this game starts at level 1 to really have fun.

Games been out a little over a month now and people are at the end of the game already.... What is it your looking for at the end of the game? I personally hope I never get to the end of this game that it just goes on and on forever with constant new quests/dungeons.

Kililin

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

SO for the people at the end of the game what exactly do you want?

Endgame there is VERY little a developer can really do for content.

VR content IS very much harder. The grind to VR 10 = 100 levels of the game.

You say you just want to be over... what do you plan on doing at VR10??

You can PVP at ANY level of the game. Sure your more effective at VR10 but as a VR10 what are you going to do vrs 4 VR10s???? DIE or run away. PVP will always require a group.

I for one and VERY glad I am taking my time cause I know for a fact when I GET to VR10 there is nothing left to do except wait for more content. MAYBE I will get into pvp but for the most part I really just like PVE.

Rushing to the end of this game is SORTA like having completed all the raids in WOW. Where WOW the game starts with raiding this game starts at level 1 to really have fun.

Games been out a little over a month now and people are at the end of the game already.... What is it your looking for at the end of the game? I personally hope I never get to the end of this game that it just goes on and on forever with constant new quests/dungeons.

At V10 you need a group.
At level 30 you can form a herd of sheep to be slaughtered by the VR10 predators.

If you dont like pvp, you can do what you want, just look for likeminded non-elitist players.

P.S.: i hate the word end-game, i dont need things to do in my game but i am ok with fullfilling requirements. i feel vr10 is required to provide me the freedom to do what i want.

adowen_ESO

I haven't 'rushed' through the game, and I am almost VR6.... I like my character and play style so i have no need to make an alt at the moment.

I have listened to 'every' quest NPC talk... I don't skip or speed read the questlines. This isn't about rushing through content... I'm more concerned about getting rid of the grind... you don't have to be a 'rusher' to feel the grind.

ConquerorDromtar

I'm with the OP and some of the other posters here. I took my time getting to VR1 enjoying the ride, smelling the flowers, eating the Morrowind mushrooms and all that. Now that I'm in the position of having to play the other alliances' content to level I'm finding it a bit tiresome. Don't get me wrong, I think having the option to do everything on one character is great, but it somehow feels wrong. I guess I'm enough of an RPer to not like the idea of my Hero of the Pact pretending to be a citizen of the DC or AD. I'd personally much rather finish the content for my main alliance and go into further content right from there. It seems much more continuous.

I'm also the GM of a small guild that's getting more and more people at VR levels each day. Ever since Craglorn was released the folks with more play time are starting to feel the urge to be ready for it when that hits. As GM I feel a sense of responsibility to be there with them to support their efforts when the time comes. For that reason a quick leveling option is quite appealing. I can always go back and enjoy the rest of the content slowly in the future on an alt. More on that below.

I plan to be here for a while and have played enough MMOs to know that eventually I'll want an alt to keep things fresh once I've "finished" available content or just want to dabble in playing a different class. Going back and running AD or DC content at level after doing the exact same things at veteran level risks taking away replay value and the opportunity to experience something in a fresh milieu.

Having the choice to level my main without having to do all of the AD and DC quests is quite appealing. Hell, even if I have to do some grinding to get to VR10 is fine; I like grinding after a long day reading and posting on the forums at work.

stevenpotter321b14_ESO

I hit vr 10 last night, and I agree with many that veteran ranks suck a lot of the fun from the game. Sure, there is the benefit of increased challenge, but it is not really presented in a good way in my opinion.

Everything hits harder and has more life, we have a very minor increase in gear to compensate. To combat this, players are mostly forced into choosing certain skill combinations to advance. Where 1-50, being as easy as it was, encourages unique builds and is rather forgiving, the same is not true end of game. Add to the fact that there are still many broken skills/passives, and the need for many to respec to change at the very least their morphs to better deal with the new difficulty. Its costing me over 15k to respec now, and quest rewards are still anywhere from 75-600 gold. To earn that sum though, is a lot of gear damage that in turn is a frequent 1.5-2k, with mobs still dropping 1-5 gold.

I kind of feel like they did an artificial inflation of mob difficulty, and reduced the reward for it to slow down player progress in the game, but in truth there is almost nothing a dev can do about players blowing through to endgame and finding what is or isn't there.

grizzbi

adowen_ESO wrote: »

Just kidding but seriously.... the veteran rank 1-10 grind is ridiculous.... it is nowhere near as fun as what 1-50 was. I hope this is addressed.

It depends. The increased difficulty is refreshing. Now I got to think, to adapt my build, to change it for different situation, to use use potions in each fight, to identify danger and avoid it if necessary, etc..

The game was too easy and it was a grind from lvl 1 to 50.

Now it's a real game with some challenge. And I love that! Many things can and should be improved. But I hope they won't get rid of the difficulty.

kieso

Craglorn honestly should have been made for VR 1-10, it's silly to up the level cap this quickly with so poor VR content in place.

spinedoc

kieso wrote: »

Craglorn honestly should have been made for VR 1-10, it's silly to up the level cap this quickly with so poor VR content in place.

Exactly. Give the VR1 to VR10 players something to do, other than lazily making them do existing quests which they will probably do on alts anyhow.