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No hireling skill point reset?
FCqt
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I have to get my 7 alt to the skill point resetting shrine and pay for a full skillpoint reset so I don't get spam with low-level material in my mailbox? Sounds like a good hour of fun.
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Akhratos✭✭✭✭A good hour of fun worth the hundreds hours of exploiting an unintended behaviour. Sounds fair to me.6
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elwhy✭✭✭I have to get my 7 alt to the skill point resetting shrine and pay for a full skillpoint reset so I don't get spam with low-level material in my mailbox? Sounds like a good hour of fun.
Wait, you're complaining because they changed the hireling system to be how it should have been set up originally, where you can't take advantage of it? I have alts that do the same thing, but I'm not going to complain about a change that ruins our exploitation of it.
But since we're complaining, I'll complain about the "24 hour" time system they set up. I put it in quotes because it's not every 24 hours, it's the next time you login you get a new mail if it's been 24 hours since you got your last mail. So different than the skill description. If that's what it's meant to be, change the skill description. I'd prefer a real every 24 hours you get mail, or set it up like your horse where it's every 20, or just change the skill description to reflect how it really works.3 -
FCqt✭Hmm, this is not a thread that complain about the change at all. You guys need to get off your defense and relax.
I'm asking why they didn't reset our Hireling Skillpoint since they changed how it worked. I'm not interested in having low level material spammed in my inbox everytime I log on one of my mule.
If it was how it worked in the first place I would never have invested the skillpoint in hireling. Now that they changed the way it work I think a skillpoint reset for hireling would have been in order. If they changed how a combat ability worked they would give you a free skillpoint reset for that ability. In my opinion the same thing apply to the hireling change.
Now I have to get all my mule to the capital city and pay for a full skillpoint reset to get ride of that mail spam I did not invest skillpoint for in the first place.
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And if it was an "exploit", my account and thousands of other would have been ban and ZoS would have act swifty to fix the "exploit"
Edited by FCqt on May 22, 2014 8:49PM0 -
Estivara✭Because they didn't change how it worked. They send the appropriately levelled materials to the correct character. Previously an under levelled character could obtain higher level mats by proxy of a higher level crafter. This was a bug. It was fixed.
Characters should have always been given appropriately levelled mats.
You could always send stuff to deconstruct to your extra characters and level them up, too.Edited by Estivara on May 22, 2014 8:54PM0 -
FCqt✭They want you to believe it was a bug.
In truth, it was a flawed system that didn't work as intended and they simply re-done it. They did change how it worked.Edited by FCqt on May 22, 2014 9:01PM0 -
Estivara✭They want you to believe it was a bug.
In truth, it was a flawed system that didn't work as intended and they simply re-done it. They did change how it worked.
So you agree that it was bugged (aka "didn't work as intended"), and now it works the way it was supposed to? So you were taking advantage of a bug, and now you're just upset that you can't any more?
They didn't change the skill. You still get the items. They just go to the correct character now - as was intended (aka the bug was fixed). Did your other characters stop getting items from their hirelings?Edited by Estivara on May 22, 2014 9:07PM0 -
FCqt✭You are funny Estivara,
I will repeat it once again:
I don't care about the change, I'm not upset at the change. I don't care about not receiving high level material from low-level character.
Is that clear enough?
Their hireling system was not bug. It was poorly designed. They re-did it, changing how it worked in the process. There was no tooltips in the Hirelings skillpoints saying the ability was currently "bugged" or not working as intended so It was fair to believe at the time I invested the skillpoint on hirelings that it was working as intended.
All I was asking for was a skillpoint reset on the hirelings since It no longer work as it used to. They would do the same if they fixed a "bugged" or not working as intended combat ability.Edited by FCqt on May 22, 2014 9:30PM1 -
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✭Amazing how many people are missing the point and are quick to jump down the OP's throat. Look through the patch notes on skills that they changed and gave a skill refund for and then look at the OP again and notice the similarity. Can you figure it out yet? I'll give you a hint, it involves receiving a skill point refund for a complete change in a skill. Did you get it yet or did we need to turn this car around?☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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Hearts✭✭✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »Amazing how many people are missing the point and are quick to jump down the OP's throat. Look through the patch notes on skills that they changed and gave a skill refund for and then look at the OP again and notice the similarity. Can you figure it out yet? I'll give you a hint, it involves receiving a skill point refund for a complete change in a skill. Did you get it yet or did we need to turn this car around?
Difference with other skills were that people didn't find a work around abuse for them, they were simply OP.
The hireling is a work around abuse, you basically get the 3/3 hireling while having only 1/3 specced into it by doing a work around.
Theres a difference between abusing an exploit and using an OP skill, he used an exploit and therefore he doesn't get a refund for doing that.0 -
Estivara✭Oh I completely get his point. He's annoyed that a bug was quashed, and it somehow magically "Changed" the way the skill works. Except it didn't change it - the materials are still delivered to the character who has the skill.
The other skills - you know, the ones that refunded the skill points - had actual changes to them. As in the way the skill worked actually changed, or equipment in the game was changed with directly augmented the use of the skill. This one, the hirelings, did not have anything of the sort. The end result is the same - you still get the items delivered to you in your mail.
The only "change" is that you no longer get a container, you get the actual items - this fixed 2 bugs. Empty containers, and unintended advanced equipment for characters without the appropriate skill level.
The short version is that he's whining because they fixed a bug that he was taking advantage of. The long version is that he feels entitled to have things work in his favour, when he was taking advantage of what was clearly a bug. End of story.
And if he's THAT upset about a level 7 alt who needs to reset their skills, just delete the character and start it over. He can get to level 7 in about 30 minutes with minimal effort.Edited by Estivara on May 22, 2014 9:44PM1 -
FCqt✭Estivara,
I will repeat again.
I don't care about the change.
I am not upset about the change.
I don't care about not receiving high level material from low-level character.
Le changement ne me derange pas.
Je ne suis pas fruster par le changement.
Je me fou de pas recevoir du high level material a partir de character de bas niveau.
There, I even repeated it in french for you.
Edited by FCqt on May 22, 2014 9:49PM0 -
EliteZ✭✭✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »Amazing how many people are missing the point and are quick to jump down the OP's throat. Look through the patch notes on skills that they changed and gave a skill refund for and then look at the OP again and notice the similarity. Can you figure it out yet? I'll give you a hint, it involves receiving a skill point refund for a complete change in a skill. Did you get it yet or did we need to turn this car around?
No the skill was not changed at all. They changed the way you receive the items, yet the skill does 100% the same thing. It still sends you the items, it still sends them at the same time, there was nothing about the skill that changed. Changing the way the items are mailed to you is slightly different then a skill costing more resources or doing less damage. Now if they had turned around and actually changed the skill so you had to pay for each item or received different items, I'd agree and they should offer the refund.1 -
Estivara✭As EliteZ has pointed out, the skill wasn't changed. You still receive your items. You just don't get to receive items intended for your mule on your main any more, because that was a bug that you were taking advatage of.
Fin de la discussion.0 -
FCqt✭Estivara,
I would like that you present me excuses,
You are accusing me of "whining" when I clearly stated I did not care about the change. By accusing me of whining you are calling me a "whiner" and name calling is stricly forbidden, especially when it's done on false term.
Thanks.
Edited by FCqt on May 22, 2014 9:57PM0 -
kirbus✭✭why don't you just delete those characters if their only use was exploiting? are you actually going to play your "mule" characters? i doubt you did anything other that hit random appearance when making them.You can have it. I don't even like sweetrolls. <Crying on Inside>
...Yes, someone did steal my sweetroll.0 -
kirbus✭✭@kirbus,
They all have bag space upgraded to the max and horse space to level 10~.
That's around 200k money investment.
didn't think of that, mainly because i didn't bother taking advantage of this. If I did I think I would be more upset over that investment to now have 7 characters that are only good as a separate banks that can swing a sword.
I guess its my reward for knowing about this during early access but not touching it.
my advice FCqt, let it go, you're not getting anything.You can have it. I don't even like sweetrolls. <Crying on Inside>
...Yes, someone did steal my sweetroll.2 -
shaiten✭✭I don't know what the complaining is about .. you still get the green / blue / purple / yellow upgrade mats which is what I was after anyway ... far as high level mats how hard is it to run out and farm a few.0
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✭✭✭✭And where and how are those of us who invested in the skill already supposed to have known that it was not working as intended?
Sorry if my crystal ball failed here, but asking for those points back because I was unaware that it was a glitch when I spent them, is not too much to ask. I was not deliberately exploiting anything, and had no idea that it was not working as intended.GM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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Hearts✭✭✭And where and how are those of us who invested in the skill already supposed to have known that it was not working as intended?
Sorry if my crystal ball failed here, but asking for those points back because I was unaware that it was a glitch when I spent them, is not too much to ask. I was not deliberately exploiting anything, and had no idea that it was not working as intended.
So the fact that you got 7 alts, gave them all 1/3 in the hireling skill, then went on your main to grab them for the 3/3 skill bonus did not strike you as a bug?0 -
FCqt✭@Kirbus,
Oh, I'm not trying to push anything. I already knew that I would be manually resetting my skillpoints, it's not a big deal. I just though it was worth posting on the forum to see if anyone else had a similar feeling.
Also, the hirelings and the fact that my alt have full bag upgrade are in no way linked. It sound like you are saying I upgraded my mule bag just because of the hirelings? That doesn't make sense, I use my alt for storage.
Edited by FCqt on May 22, 2014 10:41PM0 -
FCqt✭And where and how are those of us who invested in the skill already supposed to have known that it was not working as intended?
Sorry if my crystal ball failed here, but asking for those points back because I was unaware that it was a glitch when I spent them, is not too much to ask. I was not deliberately exploiting anything, and had no idea that it was not working as intended.
So the fact that you got 7 alts, gave them all 1/3 in the hireling skill, then went on your main to grab them for the 3/3 skill bonus did not strike you as a bug?
What we think might be a bug and what is a bug are two different thing.
I got killed earlier for no reason, I think it was a bug... or was it? Let me check the code source to confirm... oh wait.
Edited by FCqt on May 22, 2014 10:47PM0 -
Hearts✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »
He made the topic because he doesn't want to keep getting low quality mats, its not worth it for him so getting 21 mails per day can be quite annoying, thats what i'm assuming at least.
It is however his own fault for exploiting the mechanic.0 -
FCqt✭DenverRalphy wrote: »
Do I have to repeat it again?
I don't care about the change nor am I upset about it. I don't care about not receiving high level material from low-level character.
They can make any change they want, it's their game. My first post could have probably sounded like I was upset about getting low-level material instead of high-level material which is not the case. I don't care about not getting high-level material anymore, but I also don't care about getting low-level material.
This thread was not made as a complaint towards the change. It was a simple question as to why we did not get a skillpoint refund for it since the system behind the skill that was unchanged have been redone.
Edited by FCqt on May 22, 2014 10:53PM0 -
Akhratos✭✭✭✭So you did not know it was bugged? You were not trying to exploit it?
You normally log on all of your alt, open your mail, see the hireling items, log out without taking any of them, then proceed to do it for all of the other 5 alts, and, when you are done, login with your main, and after being shocked about so many hirelings mails, decide to take them all and loot them.
One day after another.
*(cops voice)* So who was the one who told you to keep the weed for him? We know you dont smoke..Edited by Akhratos on May 22, 2014 11:23PM2 -
FCqt✭So you did not know it was bugged? You were not trying to exploit it?
You normally log on all of your alt, open your mail, see the hireling items, log out without taking any of them, then proceed to do it for all of the other 5 alts, and, when you are done, login with your main, and after being shocked about so many hirelings mails, decide to take them all and loot them.
You clearly don't know what you are talking about. You didn't even need to log on any alt to receive their raw materials. They would automatically get delivered in your mailbox after X amount of time.
And please. You need to grow up if you still need to use "mom" reference.
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