Begging for Just This One NightBlade Fix

kirnmalidus · May 2014

I don't see the issue with AoE damage pulling you out of invis. If you take damage, you lose stealth/invis. Stay away from potential AoE bad areas if you want to stay hidden.

I do agree that Nightblades need a way to counter Magelight. One skill in the Guild skill trees that everyone can use basically completely negates an entire class' only advantage vs. other classes (which for Nightblades is being able to stealth->sneak attack->crit).

I can't think of any other skill that is available to everyone that completely negates any other classes primary point of difference. Can anyone else?

dideldumdei · May 2014

NordJitsu wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I suspect those tests were in a controlled environment? When it gets hectic and when you need it most is when I find it fails. And also.. randomly. I suspect lag is the huge issue and it always be with a skill like this. I've hit it well before on "my screen" being charged then been bashed out of it.

Yup.

Controlled test with willing participants. Small scale. Only about 3-5 of us at a time.

I saw somewhere ZOS said the NB bugs were occurring in large scale hectic fights, so my test can't tell you anything about that.

Now that you mention it I am pretty sure I read that large scale hectic Comment as well. But I can assure you, its got nothing to do with the failing of skills. They even fail in PVE when I am alone in a dungeon at about 4 o´clock in the morning with very low server population....

Anyway its good to see someone doing tests. Keep up the good work and if you need participants for Tests just hit me up

a3surd · May 2014

Jessica for a reference of broken abilities please look at:

Compilation-of-bugged-nightblade-abilities

Brizz · May 2014

dideldumdei wrote: »

But if damage didn't pull you out of stealth it might be a bit over powered, no? As a NB you can be PERMANENTLY invisible right now if you re-cast every 2.4 secs or so.

You never will be able to be permanently invisible because you run out of magicka pretty soon. Plus you cant sprint while cloaked so its pretty easy to find and AOE you when your last position is known. So yes, it should not be broke by any damage or healing taken. Dont exactly know if Mages Light detects you when cloaked but if it would be a good, easy to learn and logic counter to Shadow Cloak in its different forms. If not it should

There are other speed bonuses that you can utilize as a NB to make Dark Cloak more effective if you think outside the box. I share my strategy with my guild only as I don't want my enemies using my techniques, but if you've come this far in my post, here you go...

Retreating Maneuver - available to everyone: removes snares and roots, makes you immune to them for its duration (20 seconds), and gives you and your allies 30% movement speed bonus.

When used in conjunction with other speed increases - Bow passive (Hasty Retreat), Path of Darkness, Cripple - to name a few, you can FLY across the map and create huge distance with just a couple of Dark Cloaks.

ferzalrwb17_ESO · May 2014

Brizz wrote: »

When used in conjunction with other speed increases - Bow passive (Hasty Retreat), Path of Darkness, Cripple - to name a few, you can FLY across the map and create huge distance with just a couple of Dark Cloaks.

Doesn't appear to be likely synergies. Path of Darkness (if you damage anyone) and Cripple (bugged) break Dark Cloak. Hasty retreat requires a roll and a bow of course.

But, yes, if you have a bow swap set up for retreat with Dark Cloak and RM and you could swap in time, then dodge-roll, hit RM and cloak you might be a slimy little escapee. If it's going to be an escape bar you might even slot some evasion in there like blur, evasion or shadow decoys. I will definitely consider trying this for giggles. Thanks for the ideas

Brizz · May 2014

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Brizz wrote: »

When used in conjunction with other speed increases - Bow passive (Hasty Retreat), Path of Darkness, Cripple - to name a few, you can FLY across the map and create huge distance with just a couple of Dark Cloaks.

Doesn't appear to be likely synergies. Path of Darkness (if you damage anyone) and Cripple (bugged) break Dark Cloak. Hasty retreat requires a roll and a bow of course.

But, yes, if you have a bow swap set up for retreat with Dark Cloak and RM and you could swap in time, then dodge-roll, hit RM and cloak you might be a slimy little escapee. If it's going to be an escape bar you might even slot some evasion in there like blur, evasion or shadow decoys. I will definitely consider trying this for giggles. Thanks for the ideas

RM is very good with my current build - Siphoning Toggled on with stamina/magicka dumps for both bow and 2 hander.

joshisanonymous · May 2014

kirnmalidus wrote: »

I don't see the issue with AoE damage pulling you out of invis. If you take damage, you lose stealth/invis. Stay away from potential AoE bad areas if you want to stay hidden.

For me, the issue is much more obvious with the Shadowy Disguise morph, which is clearly meant to be used offensively. If any damage whatsoever is supposed to break the effect, then this ability is almost completely unusable against even incompetent players as they're likely to keep swinging their basic attack. You're only option is to stun the person first, but then you don't need to be invisible in the first place. Damage breaking this type of invisibility might work in a game like DAoC where there are a very limited number of damage abilities that can be used without a target, but in a game like ESO, where literally everyone has a resource-free attack that can break your stealth, it renders the skill almost completely useless.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

As to whether your OWN DoTs are supposed to be pulling you out, I'm not sure. But I'll try to get that documented as well.

We can confirm that this is not how it should work, and we'll be fixing it.

Can you please please confirm whether all incoming damage is supposed to break Shadow Cloak? It feels rather broken, as described in this post, but it's hard to figure out if it's a bug that we can expect to be fixed or a design choice that we'd have to beg you to change.

Brizz · May 2014

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Dark Cloak is on our radar, and one of the Nightblade abilities we're working on fixing. Any additional details you all can provide would be helpful. We understand what the issues are from your posts, but we could use your help tracking down which DoT abilities are not being removed when Dark Cloak is activated (it does not seem to be a global issue.)

Seems that the problem after the patch is still very present and almost worse then before. Would love to see the ZOS team do some of their own testing to get this ability to work.

I've noticed that Sorcerers can use Mages' Fury before I Dark Cloak and it will instantly break it. I will keep posting in this forum again every time Dark Cloak fails me (it will be a lot) and report what ability it was that breaks it (seems to be a lot)

Brizz · May 2014

If you guys cant fix this issue, you will lose me as a customer. The frustrations of this game is an endless list.

Brizz · May 2014

Dark Cloak - Gives player invisibility and invulnerability for 2.9 seconds and removes 4 damage over time effects.

Fixed.

joshisanonymous · May 2014

Brizz wrote: »

Dark Cloak - Gives player invisibility and invulnerability for 2.9 seconds and removes 4 damage over time effects.

Fixed.

That would be way overpowered for a skill that can be used up to 6 times in a row.

I'd rather it just didn't break with damage of any sort.

Brizz · May 2014

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Brizz wrote: »

Dark Cloak - Gives player invisibility and invulnerability for 2.9 seconds and removes 4 damage over time effects.

Fixed.

That would be way overpowered for a skill that can be used up to 6 times in a row.

I'd rather it just didn't break with damage of any sort.

In what way would that make it overpowered? The Nightblade is unable to attack while in stealth and will still become visible before combat resets - the only strong thing we can do out of stealth is surprise attack, which is easily blocked and countered.

It would only make this ability reliable as an escape. Sorcerers can claim that Bolt Escape is only used as a disengage, while they deliberately Streak through packs of players back and forth and pretty much use it as their main source of damage. An immune Dark Cloak pales in comparison.

Nightblades have very bad heals, no spell absorbs/reflects, and have very poor aoe capabilities. If we are being designed for great 1v1 assassin type play, then we should be the best at it. Dark Cloak needs to be strong, it is the only good thing we have going for us.

NordJitsu · May 2014

NordJitsu wrote: »

I'll get a guild group together tonight and we'll go through and test all the dots we can think of and post a video.

And here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-mHd_Mvleo

dardywood69connectb16_ESO · May 2014

Thx for the helpul video man.

However, the problems I encounter are mainly Sorc's and DK's. Sometimes you get hit by the crystal thing from the sorc when you are stealthed, resulting in a knock down and an unstealth. The burning effects from DK's also seem to pull me out of stealth (I dunno which though).

What you could have shown in he video is how you cannot cast Dark cloak when your magicka is below a certain level, because that is one of the MAJOR problems on this skill and noone seems to highlight it. I posted about that here if anyone needs details: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/91088/nb-dark-cloak-triggering-cost#latest

On a side note, I do appreciate your testing but the skills seem to glitch MUCH more in a real combat situation (more people, more chaos, more lag). And that's the majority of engagements in Cyrodiil.

Another thing worth testing is the channels from healing staffs, they seem to somehow follow you while you stealth (at least the animation does, giving up your position).

Hope that helps!

Cheers

NordJitsu · May 2014

@dardywood69connectb16_ESO‌

Ya I don't know why the bugs didn't show up in the video but it probably does have to do with the relative chaos level. Still, that might be helpful to the devs to know.

They now see that those abilities don't bug out when you're just sitting around with 2 other people. They also know that Crippling Grasp screws Dark Cloak no matter what.

Hopefully that helps them isolate what the problem really is.

dardywood69connectb16_ESO · June 2014

Hey,

Just checked and seems like the caltrops will unstealth you every single time.

Just an update on the Dot thing!

Peace