Similar to many knee-jerk reactions from Zenimax, the attempt to stop botters taking advantage of a system has affected legitimate players too. Or put another way, the dragnet is not particular.

Whatever mechanism they're using now, normal players are presumed guilty of cheating/hacking/exploiting/botting. Otherwise, normal players would have the same drop rate as previously. Alas, such an elegant solution is apparently beyond the skill of Zenimax developers.

Personally, I feel all the motifs should be:
- wrapped into quests to obtain them at the intended levels.
OR
- simply made available on vendors for a large fee, as a money sink.
OR
- changed to be bind on pickup and made as common as previously.

Any of these solutions is better than changing the drop rate from .1% to 0.001% along with some other "zomg, you're a cheater, no motif for you, nub" spaghetti code they put in 1.0.6.

Bound on pick up all that's needed. Bound to acct though not character.

I wouldn't mind a decreased drop rate. But currently it's zero since all containers are empty wherever I go. I can be happy if I stumble across an unlooted backpack in the boondocks.

Galen_the_Black wrote: »

Not true. I too thought that the motif drop is rare, but at level 29 as of this morning I finally completed all 9 basic races. of those 9 2 were bought. 1 for 400g and another as a trade for an Argonian motif.

I also sold 2 other motifs as they were duplicates of ones that I already got.

I've only been playing for 3 weeks so I don't see the drop rates too bad. Getting the rarer motif's should be harder but since I take my time playing I should be able to get them eventually.

Just my 2 Septims

I've been searching for motifs since Veteran rank 1, I am now Veteran rank 6 and haven't found anything.

The whole containers thing is seriously bugged -

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/95240/empty-bugged-loot-containers-bug-keeping-count/p1

Hopefully the next round of fixes (not 1.1) will address this issue !

I get them quite often, once a week.. after nerf if found Ancient elf, Barbaric 2x, and primal.. So its oke

Personally, I think that the rare motifs and recipes should be rare bound to account finds from containers but there should be also be a selection available through crafting quests.

For example, take myself as a provisioner and I want to be able to make VR epic food. Currently the recipes are rarer than virginal prostitutes, so imagine if you did a quest/quest chain for an npc who eventually gave you the option to pick from a selection of recipes. This could be done scaling throughout the entire levelling process, so common recipes at lower levels going all the way up to VR epics.

Same for the equipment professions. You could do a certain quest or quests and get to pick from rare motifs or hard to find traits for example.

As an alchemist you could get to learn to make potions that you otherwise would not have been able to discover yourself.

Things like that, you know

Trenchfoot wrote: »

Personally, I think that the rare motifs and recipes should be rare bound to account finds from containers but there should be also be a selection available through crafting quests.

For example, take myself as a provisioner and I want to be able to make VR epic food. Currently the recipes are rarer than virginal prostitutes, so imagine if you did a quest/quest chain for an npc who eventually gave you the option to pick from a selection of recipes. This could be done scaling throughout the entire levelling process, so common recipes at lower levels going all the way up to VR epics.

Same for the equipment professions. You could do a certain quest or quests and get to pick from rare motifs or hard to find traits for example.

As an alchemist you could get to learn to make potions that you otherwise would not have been able to discover yourself.

Things like that, you know

I actually really like this idea.