Please create arena pvp!!

Blackwidow · May 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Honestly, if it doesn't give loot, skill points, gold or some other tangible reward, many players would never even touch it. They must be rewarded for what they do, else it's a waste of their time.

Okay, so some players would not touch it. Nobody is forcing them to.

However others would love it.

I'm a roleplayer.

Okay.

Obviously, there is no reward for roleplay besides my own pleasure (too bad there aren't any DM's to give me extra XP).

Okay....

I play games like this because I enjoy them.

Weird.

Most people play games because they hate them.

I might have missed your point.

Ser Lobo · May 2014

I was agreeing with you.

Xilc · May 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Xilc wrote: »

So you're saying they should implement something into the game that gives absolutely no positive feedback/reward for engaging in it?

No positive feedback? Ever heard of fun?

No reward? No ingame reward, no. Just the fun of the battle.

I'm for dueling as well. Go figure.

Honestly, if it doesn't give loot, skill points, gold or some other tangible reward, many players would never even touch it. They must be rewarded for what they do, else it's a waste of their time.

Exactly my point. If it has no benefits, not many would want to do it.

Drazhar14 · May 2014

I think that Kvatch would make a perfect zone for arena PvP (and other things). Made a thread about it here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99465/kvatch-arena-future-zone#latest

If not, a dueling option would be nice to challenge/practice with friends.

Blackwidow · May 2014

Xilc wrote: »

Exactly my point. If it has no benefits, not many would want to do it.

It has benefits. You just don't see them.

Elvent · May 2014

Any chance I can convince you to go play WoW where it has this small scale PvP?

Blackwidow · May 2014

Elvent wrote: »

Any chance I can convince you to go play WoW where it has this small scale PvP?

We were have such a nice conversation, please don't be a -snip-.

Moderator Edit: Removed content due to profanity

Elvent · May 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

Elvent wrote: »

Any chance I can convince you to go play WoW where it has this small scale PvP?

We were have such a nice conversation, please don't be a ***.

Don't be rude or call me names....it's a suggestion no need to get hostile.

Blackwidow · May 2014

Elvent wrote: »

Don't be rude or call me names....it's a suggestion no need to get hostile.

It was a rude suggestion.

Elvent · May 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

Elvent wrote: »

Don't be rude or call me names....it's a suggestion no need to get hostile.

It was a rude suggestion.

Actually it's not rude at all. It's a good suggestion. WoW has this small scale PvP everything you and the OP want. How did you take my comment as "rude"?

Gisgo · May 2014

You are making sense, thats rude to him.

Elvent · May 2014

Gisgo wrote: »

You are making sense, thats rude to him.

Oops read your post wrong

Blackwidow · May 2014

Elvent wrote: »

Actually it's not rude at all. It's a good suggestion. WoW has this small scale PvP everything you and the OP want. How did you take my comment as "rude"?

Go play wow.

Not rude.

Okay.

Ser Lobo · May 2014

I would like Elder Scrolls Online, a series in the Elder Scrolls universe that also includes titles such as 'The Elder Scrolls: Arena' and even fully fleshed out gladiatorial arena's in 'The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion', as well as arena's within the game itself in regions like Eastmarch ...

Yeah, I would like them to include arena's. That's not rude to ask, is it?

Elvent · May 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

Elvent wrote: »

Actually it's not rude at all. It's a good suggestion. WoW has this small scale PvP everything you and the OP want. How did you take my comment as "rude"?

Go play wow.

Not rude.

Okay.

Saying it like "Go play WoW". Sure that sounds rude and demanding but I said it like

"Any chance I can convince you to go play WoW where it has this small scale PvP?"

Doesn't really sound rude but if you think that sounds rude then I apologize to you but I read it over and over and I'm just not getting anything rude out of it.

It was a suggestion to play a game that has this small scale PvP you want. I don't know what else to tell you but I won't be coming back to this thread anymore to repeat myself over and over again that my post wasn't meant to be rude, again, it was a suggestion.

I prefer the way Zenimax made their PvP in this game, it's perfectly fine how it is, there is large and small scale PvP if you look for it. Not everybody in Cyrodiil stays in one large pack.

ImaginaryDimension · May 2014

Most of you are blowing this way out of proportion. I'm not asking them to delete content ffs I'm asking them to add arena pvp into the game. It isn't mandatory, it won't make you stronger in AvA and it won't do anything to boost your character. It is simply an alternative pvp style for those that don't like AvA that much.

What is the problem with this? If you don't like arena then don't bloody play it... I don't like being a tank, so I am dps, I don't like reading lore books, so I don't do it... nobody is forcing anyone to do the arena so whether or not YOU don't like arena is besides the point, there are many that do.

And for all the people moaning about how "unbalanced" arena pvp would be, did it ever occur to you that Zenimax could put restrictions on it?

1v1 = any class vs any class. You don't know your apponent before entering.
2v2 = same as above.
4v4 = only one of each class. (templar, dragonknight, nightblade, sorcerer)

Then how can it be so incredibly unbalanced and omfg nerf blah blah or any such thing?

If a 4v4 group loses against another 4v4 group then they got out skilled... Very simple soultions here guys I don't know why you turn it into such a complex problem.

Gisgo · May 2014

Actually you are the one turning it into a complex problem.
We are fine with the game as it is, and want it fixed rather than changed.

Ser Lobo · May 2014

Elvent wrote: »

It was a suggestion to play a game that has this small scale PvP you want. I don't know what else to tell you but I won't be coming back to this thread anymore to repeat myself over and over again that my post wasn't meant to be rude, again, it was a suggestion.

I prefer the way Zenimax made their PvP in this game, it's perfectly fine how it is, there is large and small scale PvP if you look for it. Not everybody in Cyrodiil stays in one large pack.

I'll address this to move the conversation forward: you are correct.

I love Cyrodiil, and it's large and small scale efforts. Cyrodiil IS perfectly fine, in my opinion. I really don't want it changed (maybe a few portal spells to get back with your group faster, but that's about it).

But there is something very much enjoyable about quick combat. I don't always have two hours to play, riding my horse across the battlefields looking for opponents. I don't particularly want to play in any other world, either, and Elder Scrolls is more my home than any other game franchise out there (outside of Star Wars Galaxies and EvE online, one no longer existing and the other requiring even more play time than ESO).

No, I'm talking about short matches against player or NPC opponents that allow me to put a 12 minute fight and move on. Neverwinter did this, but ONLY this (loved Gauntlegrym more), and it was too monotonous. Zenimax, if they approach this carefully, can really make something of it. Something akin to what many of us enjoy with first-person shooters and whatnot. Drop-in, drop-out combat.

I don't support ZOS avoiding the issue completely. I do understand pushing players to other games just because that game MAY have a feature they like (I like ZOS's stand on no auction house, but many players disagree with me). But to me, its' the Elder Scrolls package that is worth it, and I feel that Arena's will just make the whole package a little bit better overall.

Sure, it's not an easy win like player housing or new NPC guilds. It would require much more time and refinement. But that don't mean it can't or shouldn't happen.

ImaginaryDimension · May 2014

PVP WILL NOT BE CHANGED. CYRODIIL WILL REMAIN THE SAME. IF YOU LOVE CYRODIIL THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT BECAUSE IT WON'T BE CHANGED.

Seriously. Do you people even read what I write? I'm not asking for ANYTHING to be changed, I'm asking for something totally seperate to cyrodiil to be added. Do you know the difference?

Yasha · May 2014

ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

Most of you are blowing this way out of proportion. I'm not asking them to delete content ffs I'm asking them to add arena pvp into the game. It isn't mandatory, it won't make you stronger in AvA and it won't do anything to boost your character. It is simply an alternative pvp style for those that don't like AvA that much.

What is the problem with this? If you don't like arena then don't bloody play it... I don't like being a tank, so I am dps, I don't like reading lore books, so I don't do it... nobody is forcing anyone to do the arena so whether or not YOU don't like arena is besides the point, there are many that do.

And for all the people moaning about how "unbalanced" arena pvp would be, did it ever occur to you that Zenimax could put restrictions on it?

1v1 = any class vs any class. You don't know your apponent before entering.
2v2 = same as above.
4v4 = only one of each class. (templar, dragonknight, nightblade, sorcerer)

Then how can it be so incredibly unbalanced and omfg nerf blah blah or any such thing?

If a 4v4 group loses against another 4v4 group then they got out skilled... Very simple soultions here guys I don't know why you turn it into such a complex problem.

You have to understand that because you are using the word "arena" it is making all the WoW expats feel nervous. If you had said battlegrounds or spvp, or small scale objective based pvp, or something like that you would not get such a negative reaction.

Gisgo · May 2014

ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

Do you people even read what I write?

Yes, but maybe i should stop, because you just repeat the same thing again and again...

Blackwidow · May 2014

ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

PVP WILL NOT BE CHANGED. CYRODIIL WILL REMAIN THE SAME. IF YOU LOVE CYRODIIL THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT BECAUSE IT WON'T BE CHANGED.

Seriously. Do you people even read what I write? I'm not asking for ANYTHING to be changed, I'm asking for something totally seperate to cyrodiil to be added. Do you know the difference?

They don't care. They are just here to hate on your idea, even though it does not affect them at all.

Gisgo · May 2014

Yes we are so evil for disagreeing.
I guess we should just say "yes, sure, whatever" like you do with a 8 years old kid.

ImaginaryDimension · May 2014

I know it's just ***. they're hating on something which doesn't affect them in any way. It would be totally different if I were asking for cyrodiil to be replace with arenas or something... I'm just asking for Zenimax to create arenas (TOTALLY SEPERATE FROM CYRODIIL) into the game for those of us who want it.

If you don't want it, then don't play it. Simple as that.

Ser Lobo · May 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

PVP WILL NOT BE CHANGED. CYRODIIL WILL REMAIN THE SAME. IF YOU LOVE CYRODIIL THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT BECAUSE IT WON'T BE CHANGED.

Seriously. Do you people even read what I write? I'm not asking for ANYTHING to be changed, I'm asking for something totally seperate to cyrodiil to be added. Do you know the difference?

They don't care. They are just here to hate on your idea, even though it does not affect them at all.

I would disagree.

Player populations could suffer in Cyrodiil if small scale, controlled PvP encounters gain more popularity than larger fights that feel more focused on army size and AOE's than player skill.

Gameplay itself would be affected, as the game would have to be altered to support each class equally in smaller scale warfare, whereas in Cyrodiil, the common answer to unbalance is 'bring more DKs'.

Just two quick things that *could* affect Cyrodiil players.

Blackwidow · May 2014

Gisgo wrote: »

Yes we are so evil for disagreeing.
I guess we should just say "yes, sure, whatever" like you do with a 8 years old kid.

It is childish to fight against something that would not hurt your game, yet you fight to keep others from having it.

You like the game as is. Great. Did you ever think the game might keep more players if it was fun for everyone?

Gisgo · May 2014

It would hurt the game (not my game).
You just cant/dont want to see it.

And if there is something childish here its the way you step in and cry because you cant have your icecream.

Dusty5 · May 2014

NO! this is not a copy of the game that shall not be named!! Pvp is kept to its own zone for a reason.If you want pvp in every game buy a console.This is a mmo and arena's/open/world pvp is not wanted or needed.

Blackwidow · May 2014

Gisgo wrote: »

It would hurt the game (not my game).
You just cant/dont want to see it.

And if there is something childish here its the way you step in and cry because you cant have your icecream.

LOL! I don't even want arenas. You are so off base.

However, you guys just bash him, give no reason why it would hurt the game, so I came to his defense.

I may not want all the things others want, but it does not mean they should not be in the game.

Show any real reason for this to not be in the game and I will really listen.

Ser Lobo · May 2014

Dusty5 wrote: »

NO! this is not a copy of the game that shall not be named!! Pvp is kept to its own zone for a reason.If you want pvp in every game buy a console.This is a mmo and arena's/open/world pvp is not wanted or needed.

What do you think Arena PvP is, exactly?