Why hasn't DK been nerfed yet?

NovelliESO · August 11

AllenaNightWood wrote: »

zero point in nerfing it until the other classes get buffed

"Zero point in balancing the game by nerfing two skills, lets wait 3 years to change every single other ability in the game first"

Nice one.

CannedChicken · August 11

AllenaNightWood wrote: »

zero point in nerfing it until the other classes get buffed

Or they could just nerf it now and buff it back up if its not okay after the reworks.

Urzigurumash · August 12

The "complaining about dying" line is a dead giveaway for a PvEr

Urzigurumash · August 12

"mad at what kills them"

Like has been said a million times. Trials Bosses don't have forum accounts.

Why are you in our discussions with anything other than "use Battlespirit" or "seperate PvE and PvP" which absolutely none of us would oppose.

HunterDawn · August 12

ESO Dev Team: Feedback received. DK will receive buffs in Update 52.

CannedChicken · August 12

HunterDawn wrote: »

ESO Dev Team: Feedback received. DK will receive buffs in Update 52.

That is the level of schizophrenia we have become accustomed to at this point.

MeridiaFavorsMe · August 12

Urzigurumash wrote: »

"mad at what kills them"

Like has been said a million times. Trials Bosses don't have forum accounts.

Why are you in our discussions with anything other than "use Battlespirit" or "seperate PvE and PvP" which absolutely none of us would oppose.

Who are you replying to? A battlespirit specific nerf has been suggested like 100 times in this thread.

Urzigurumash · August 12

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

"mad at what kills them"

Like has been said a million times. Trials Bosses don't have forum accounts.

Why are you in our discussions with anything other than "use Battlespirit" or "seperate PvE and PvP" which absolutely none of us would oppose.

Who are you replying to? A battlespirit specific nerf has been suggested like 100 times in this thread.

Whom*

and everyone who's said something like this over the past 13 years, there have been several dozen such comments in these threads this week

Urzigurumash · August 12

Sorry the whom thing is a joke

kind of

Urzigurumash · August 12

Let me put it this way. We're not complaining because we're dying to DK but because we're not dying to anything else. If you don't want to play DK there's no point in really trying to compete. 3 months is one thing, 3 years is another. They said they were aware of our issue and then nothing substantial showed up on PTS.

So we're freaking out

rlindsey912nub18_ESO · August 12

Just freaking buff other classes right now and do refresh as planned like seriously what do they have to lose dks are already gods might as well just let everyone else have their fun too

Usureki · August 12

AllenaNightWood wrote: »

zero point in nerfing it until the other classes get buffed

NovelliESO · August 12

Usureki wrote: »

AllenaNightWood wrote: »

zero point in nerfing it until the other classes get buffed

Only 5 more years !!!

Aces-High-82 · August 12

I am expecting not less than 50% melee damage reduction on Warden wings.

Four_Fingers · August 12

"DK are gods", what hyperbole.
It is like a feeding frenzy when forum pvpers attack a class.
Yes, they are strong, but they are not unkillable.

NovelliESO · August 12

Four_Fingers wrote: »

"DK are gods", what hyperbole.
It is like a feeding frenzy when forum pvpers attack a class.
Yes, they are strong, but they are not unkillable.

Everything is killable, what a moot point. Balance shouldn't be designed only around when things are unkillable.

VenomSheru · August 12

At this point in debate in this topic one thing is clear… they don’t nerf DK and a whole lot of people stop playing, they nerf it and a whole lot of people stop playing ..
ESO has been gradually losing players… this just accelerates the decline
All this power creep means nothing to average player who struggles both in PvE and PvP

CannedChicken · August 12

Four_Fingers wrote: »

"DK are gods", what hyperbole.
It is like a feeding frenzy when forum pvpers attack a class.
Yes, they are strong, but they are not unkillable.

Does that mean if I can make an unkillable templar tank pure class then that class should be nerfed? What a dumb argument.

forum_propagandist · August 12

VenomSheru wrote: »

At this point in debate in this topic one thing is clear… they don’t nerf DK and a whole lot of people stop playing, they nerf it and a whole lot of people stop playing ..
ESO has been gradually losing players… this just accelerates the decline
All this power creep means nothing to average player who struggles both in PvE and PvP

I mean if they aren't making changes to at least attempt to increase player retention then they might as well shut the servers down now. I have to imagine making dk less unreasonable 2 shotting players in pvp would be a good thing.

DarwinStormChaser · August 12

NovelliESO wrote: »

Four_Fingers wrote: »

"DK are gods", what hyperbole.
It is like a feeding frenzy when forum pvpers attack a class.
Yes, they are strong, but they are not unkillable.

Everything is killable, what a moot point. Balance shouldn't be designed only around when things are unkillable.

Did you get around to replicating the 41k hit yesterday like I am sure you said you would do yesterday? I am very curious if you did it.

NovelliESO · August 12

DarwinStormChaser wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

Four_Fingers wrote: »

"DK are gods", what hyperbole.
It is like a feeding frenzy when forum pvpers attack a class.
Yes, they are strong, but they are not unkillable.

Everything is killable, what a moot point. Balance shouldn't be designed only around when things are unkillable.

Did you get around to replicating the 41k hit yesterday like I am sure you said you would do yesterday? I am very curious if you did it.

Yes, but the person who originally wanted it found out afterwards the original clip was done with corrosive and then acted as if that was an issue.

forum_propagandist · August 12

DarwinStormChaser wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

Four_Fingers wrote: »

"DK are gods", what hyperbole.
It is like a feeding frenzy when forum pvpers attack a class.
Yes, they are strong, but they are not unkillable.

Everything is killable, what a moot point. Balance shouldn't be designed only around when things are unkillable.

Did you get around to replicating the 41k hit yesterday like I am sure you said you would do yesterday? I am very curious if you did it.

A 41k whip is obviously an outlier but certainly not impossible as the video demonstrates. Imo it doesn't matter, I have played dk and can consistently 2 shot players with leap into whip or fossilize into whip if I use corrosive. No other class has this damage potential and suggesting a nerf to the whip stacks using battle spirit is completely valid.

forum_propagandist · August 12

NovelliESO wrote: »

DarwinStormChaser wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

Four_Fingers wrote: »

"DK are gods", what hyperbole.
It is like a feeding frenzy when forum pvpers attack a class.
Yes, they are strong, but they are not unkillable.

Everything is killable, what a moot point. Balance shouldn't be designed only around when things are unkillable.

Did you get around to replicating the 41k hit yesterday like I am sure you said you would do yesterday? I am very curious if you did it.

Yes, but the person who originally wanted it found out afterwards the original clip was done with corrosive and then acted as if that was an issue.

The classic "well the skill you claim is overpowered only hit that hard because of this other overpowered skill" that eso players pretend invalidates any argument

Four_Fingers · August 13

CannedChicken wrote: »

Four_Fingers wrote: »

"DK are gods", what hyperbole.
It is like a feeding frenzy when forum pvpers attack a class.
Yes, they are strong, but they are not unkillable.

Does that mean if I can make an unkillable templar tank pure class then that class should be nerfed? What a dumb argument.

Do a search on nerfing templars, they were nerfed to death because of it.
These posts are why this game will never be stable.

CannedChicken · August 13

Four_Fingers wrote: »

CannedChicken wrote: »

Four_Fingers wrote: »

"DK are gods", what hyperbole.
It is like a feeding frenzy when forum pvpers attack a class.
Yes, they are strong, but they are not unkillable.

Does that mean if I can make an unkillable templar tank pure class then that class should be nerfed? What a dumb argument.

Do a search on nerfing templars, they were nerfed to death because of it.
These posts are why this game will never be stable.

If you want to make an argument, then actually make the argument. I’m not going to go searching the entire forum for posts you think support your point when I don’t even know what I’m supposed to be looking for.

“Do a search on nerfing Templars, they were nerfed to death because of it” isn’t really an argument by itself. If you think the Templar nerfs are relevant, explain specifically how they relate to DK being too strong right now.

Because DK is currently in arguably its most unkillable state ever. Pointing to Templars as some kind of warning against nerfing without addressing the actual balance issue doesn’t prove anything.

And saying “these posts are why this game will never be stable” is just dismissing the discussion rather than making a case. If you disagree with the proposed nerf, explain why the current DK state is healthy for the game and what you would change instead.

Four_Fingers · August 13

Nah, carry on with your rants, I didn't even mention DK balance, I mainly still play Templars since 2013.
You win the forum.

Weesacs · August 13

Some players need the DK carry crutch to perform well in PvP. Embarrassing, but each to their own.

LadyBriala · August 13

Do the devs even play PVP atm? Am sitting with a full tank, 35k+ hp healing build and still every glasscanon DK pleb i meet somehow manages to do 17k+ with one ability while still having the survivability of a tank to take on 4-5 people solo.. dont they see something wrong in that?

They seriously cant believe that this is working as intended and will leave it for god knows how many years it'll take to see all classes reworked and bug/balance testing done..

ceruulean · August 13

Nobody in 2026 is calling for templar nerfs.

In 2024 you got the occasional scrub who cried about Radiant Oppression. Devs nerfed it to be roll dodgeable and because of subclassing and PvE minmaxers on PTS, and to try and make the class more bland so arcanist beam casuals subclassed with templar don't have to change their rotation. Was the final nail in the coffin IMO, they removed the damage and catch tools that made templars semi-relevant. People can roll dodge Templar javelin CC so at least beam let them catch opponents, and then that was removed.

Urzigurumash · August 13

ceruulean wrote: »

Nobody in 2026 is calling for templar nerfs.

In 2024 you got the occasional scrub who cried about Radiant Oppression. Devs nerfed it to be roll dodgeable and because of subclassing and PvE minmaxers on PTS, and to try and make the class more bland so arcanist beam casuals subclassed with templar don't have to change their rotation. Was the final nail in the coffin IMO, they removed the damage and catch tools that made templars semi-relevant. People can roll dodge Templar javelin CC so at least beam let them catch opponents, and then that was removed.

As I recall that MASSIVE nerf to Beam was done DURING PTS?

Nobody thought about the interaction of Rapid Rot and Beam until PTS and the consequence was the destruction of the only thing keeping Templar viable.