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Why hasn't DK been nerfed yet?
CannedChicken
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I’m just gonna say it because the DK situation has gotten pretty ridiculous at this point. Molten whip needs to be looked at.
You can see in the video below that I get hit by a DK whip for 41k. What really stands out to me is that I had maybe half a second or less between the DK chains even appearing on my screen and being dead instantly. There was basically no meaningful time to react.
And this isn’t even taking into account all of the other delayed burst damage DK can stack on top of it. You can already have a bunch of pressure building up from their kit, and then whip comes in and hits like a truck. The amount of burst DK can put out right now is just ridiculous and whip is the biggest problem.
The 33% bonus damage per stack on molten whip is just way too much. When you’re already getting this kind of damage out of the skill, that extra scaling is a big part of why the burst feels so ridiculous. It should be brought down to 10% bonus damage per stack under Battle Spirit. That would still let whip hit hard and reward DKs for building their stacks, but it wouldn't make the final hit so absurd.
DK has been in a really strong spot for a while now, and at this point the situation feels like it has gotten out of control. Meanwhile, ZOS doesn't seem to be taking any meaningful steps to address it.
I'm not saying DK needs to be gutted or that whip should suddenly become useless. Just tone down the ridiculous burst. A 41k crit from a spammable should probably be a pretty good indication that something needs to be adjusted.
If this is the vision ZOS has for the reworks and for DK, then I guess that’s fine. I’ll just move on and play other games. I’ve played this game for a long time, but I’m not going to keep putting time into PvP if this is the direction things are going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBiqJ9jgEEs
You can see in the video below that I get hit by a DK whip for 41k. What really stands out to me is that I had maybe half a second or less between the DK chains even appearing on my screen and being dead instantly. There was basically no meaningful time to react.
And this isn’t even taking into account all of the other delayed burst damage DK can stack on top of it. You can already have a bunch of pressure building up from their kit, and then whip comes in and hits like a truck. The amount of burst DK can put out right now is just ridiculous and whip is the biggest problem.
The 33% bonus damage per stack on molten whip is just way too much. When you’re already getting this kind of damage out of the skill, that extra scaling is a big part of why the burst feels so ridiculous. It should be brought down to 10% bonus damage per stack under Battle Spirit. That would still let whip hit hard and reward DKs for building their stacks, but it wouldn't make the final hit so absurd.
DK has been in a really strong spot for a while now, and at this point the situation feels like it has gotten out of control. Meanwhile, ZOS doesn't seem to be taking any meaningful steps to address it.
I'm not saying DK needs to be gutted or that whip should suddenly become useless. Just tone down the ridiculous burst. A 41k crit from a spammable should probably be a pretty good indication that something needs to be adjusted.
If this is the vision ZOS has for the reworks and for DK, then I guess that’s fine. I’ll just move on and play other games. I’ve played this game for a long time, but I’m not going to keep putting time into PvP if this is the direction things are going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBiqJ9jgEEs 10
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Wuuffyy✭✭✭✭✭
✭It’s in a ‘healthy’ state for PvP; actually may need to add power elsewhere to compensate for the 5-stack heal whip nerf:
Also Pyrebrand was “stealth-buffed”, gives Landslide stacks now too.
They’re gonna hate me by the end of this PTS cycle if they don’t already,
But in all fairness, whatever you do/don’t do now- just ‘in Battle Spirit” it, thank you!Edited by Wuuffyy on August 9, 2026 10:51PMWuuffyy,
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NovelliESO✭✭✭✭Vonnegut2506 wrote: »Probably because there haven't been enough threads on the forum about it yet.
It hasn't been addressed yet so there should be more.9 -
MeridiaFavorsMe✭✭✭41k on molten whip is pretty wild. I’m all for DK being strong, but that kind of burst clearly needs another look. I normally get hit for like 25k-30k
Edited by MeridiaFavorsMe on August 9, 2026 10:51PM3 -
Wuuffyy✭✭✭✭✭
✭NovelliESO wrote: »Vonnegut2506 wrote: »Probably because there haven't been enough threads on the forum about it yet.
It hasn't been addressed yet so there should be more.
We’re probably averaging 1-2 a day at this point, at least. I suppose it depends on what ‘counts’ and doesn’t.Wuuffyy,
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ESO player since 2014 (Xbox and PC for PTS)
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✭NovelliESO wrote: »Vonnegut2506 wrote: »Probably because there haven't been enough threads on the forum about it yet.
It hasn't been addressed yet so there should be more.
Or maybe the fact they haven't done anything about it is the answer whether people like it or not.0 -
NovelliESO✭✭✭✭Vonnegut2506 wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »Vonnegut2506 wrote: »Probably because there haven't been enough threads on the forum about it yet.
It hasn't been addressed yet so there should be more.
Or maybe the fact they haven't done anything about it is the answer whether people like it or not.
That's great and all but if its a bad decision that the community dislikes they have a right to voice their opinions about it. Welcome to a forum.7 -
Vonnegut2506✭✭✭✭✭
✭A bad decision according to some people, and thanks I have never been on a gaming forum before so it's nice to stretch and look around.0 -
NovelliESO✭✭✭✭To get back on track since some people want to derail. Yes DK Is extremely overpowered, more so than just whip and it needs more attention.5
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Wow, I have been hit by 22k whips and found that already crazy but this clip is something else, so uh...let´s nerf already borderline useless stealth and NB?CannedChicken wrote: »
I'm not saying DK needs to be gutted or that whip should suddenly become useless. Just tone down the ridiculous burst. A 41k crit from a spammable should probably be a pretty good indication that something needs to be adjusted.
If this is the vision ZOS has for the reworks and for DK, then I guess that’s fine. I’ll just move on and play other games. I’ve played this game for a long time, but I’m not going to keep putting time into PvP if this is the direction things are going.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBiqJ9jgEEs
Well, how many damn threads does it take before anything happens? Nah, let´s nerf NB instead cause WW detection doesn´t ruin NB playstyle enough already. PvP is gonna bleed after the event ends and who knows when those people will come back. As things stand I´m gonna take a good break as well until DK and WW get adjusted.Vonnegut2506 wrote: »Probably because there haven't been enough threads on the forum about it yet.
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Teeba_Shei✭✭✭✭✭
✭Vonnegut2506 wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »Vonnegut2506 wrote: »Probably because there haven't been enough threads on the forum about it yet.
It hasn't been addressed yet so there should be more.
Or maybe the fact they haven't done anything about it is the answer whether people like it or not.
If people liked it, you wouldn't see 4 threads a day about DK. Clearly something is wrong. There is no way you can actually defend whip doing this much damage. Even if people "liked it", it isn't healthy for the game to be getting one shot. ZOS even seems to agree with that point, which is why they threw so many targeted nerfs at ganking this last patch, but never addressed DK whip.9 -
In my mind there are three "Pillars" to a pvp build - Sustain, Survivability, and Damage. DK is clearly the top dog in all of these and that what makes it so overpowered imo. It has the best sustain through inhale, the best damage through inhale and whip, and the best survivability with The Storm Voice passive (previously Battle Roar), Dragon's Blood as a massive burst heal (also does aoe for some reason), and of course inhale.
Anyway the whip stacking is completely unreasonable when considering how dk can line up incinerate and inhale as delayed burst7 -
Wuuffyy✭✭✭✭✭
✭Vonnegut2506 wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »Vonnegut2506 wrote: »Probably because there haven't been enough threads on the forum about it yet.
It hasn't been addressed yet so there should be more.
Or maybe the fact they haven't done anything about it is the answer whether people like it or not.
I like werewolf but their very first response was doubling and tripling costs and nerfing healing even more (down 43% from prior to rework per another user).
Anyways, this is kind of what DK looks like-
And a little bit of this-
And this is just a single skill and DKs masteries (again, PvP discussion).Edited by Wuuffyy on August 9, 2026 11:07PMWuuffyy,
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Udrath✭✭✭✭✭Yeah % values are busted. Crystal frags used to be 33% when it proc’d.Edited by Udrath on August 9, 2026 11:24PM2 -
NovelliESO✭✭✭✭Yeah % values are busted. Crystal frags used to be 33% when it proc’d.
Good thing whip has triple that right? More damage than any other spammable and more than literally EVERY single non DoT ult.12 -
MeridiaFavorsMe✭✭✭NovelliESO wrote: »
The damage whip does is clearly an outlier compared to all other abilities. I doubt they’ll address it, though. The devs seem to have some sort of bias toward letting DK stay overpowered while nerfing everything else. WW lasted one patch and is getting gutted. DK is still going strong. They even buffed it post rework.
Edited by MeridiaFavorsMe on August 10, 2026 12:13AM4 -
AdonisJorge✭✭✭CannedChicken wrote: »I’m just gonna say it because the DK situation has gotten pretty ridiculous at this point. Molten whip needs to be looked at.
You can see in the video below that I get hit by a DK whip for 41k. What really stands out to me is that I had maybe half a second or less between the DK chains even appearing on my screen and being dead instantly. There was basically no meaningful time to react.
And this isn’t even taking into account all of the other delayed burst damage DK can stack on top of it. You can already have a bunch of pressure building up from their kit, and then whip comes in and hits like a truck. The amount of burst DK can put out right now is just ridiculous and whip is the biggest problem.
The 33% bonus damage per stack on molten whip is just way too much. When you’re already getting this kind of damage out of the skill, that extra scaling is a big part of why the burst feels so ridiculous. It should be brought down to 10% bonus damage per stack under Battle Spirit. That would still let whip hit hard and reward DKs for building their stacks, but it wouldn't make the final hit so absurd.
DK has been in a really strong spot for a while now, and at this point the situation feels like it has gotten out of control. Meanwhile, ZOS doesn't seem to be taking any meaningful steps to address it.
I'm not saying DK needs to be gutted or that whip should suddenly become useless. Just tone down the ridiculous burst. A 41k crit from a spammable should probably be a pretty good indication that something needs to be adjusted.
If this is the vision ZOS has for the reworks and for DK, then I guess that’s fine. I’ll just move on and play other games. I’ve played this game for a long time, but I’m not going to keep putting time into PvP if this is the direction things are going.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBiqJ9jgEEs
Because DKs are the dragonborn so they must be very strong and needs to be buffed even more2 -
sayswhoto✭✭✭Well, I'm exited to see the damage on shalks after the warden rework.
@CannedChicken
Please pay attention to the helpful hints given on the recap.
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NovelliESO✭✭✭✭Four_Fingers wrote: »Were you wearing armor? /joke
They only had 38k worth of it according to the addon. Should've built 60k HP I guess.2 -
HunterDawn✭✭Has the design team blocked all posts related to DK weakening? @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_JessicaFolsomI’d agree DK is overtuned and deserves nerfs if you were ranting about it on YouTube or other platforms. But we’re on the forum here, so all I’ll say is you need more practice.0 -
NovelliESO✭✭✭✭HunterDawn wrote: »Has the design team blocked all posts related to DK weakening? @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
No, they just never respond to them, they would rather force vengeance onto the populace than fix the one class overperforming that takes less than 10 minutes of going into the code to fix. Change the value on two skills and the class is in a much better spot.4 -
CannedChicken✭✭✭Four_Fingers wrote: »Were you wearing armor? /joke
I had 43k spell resist and major protection from monomyth. It didn't even help.
Edited by CannedChicken on August 10, 2026 1:15AM1 -
AvalonRanger✭✭✭✭✭
✭Somebody say "Please buff DK ! ", Other dude say "Please nerf DK !"
Sigh....dev still keep doing those nonsense PVP game design?
Just stop damage only PVP game...Dev had better play "BattleField" for education.
No thanks ESO PVP, seriously. I'm really happy that I can get "trade bar" from non
PVP season event currently.My playing time Mon-Friday UTC13:00-16:00 [PC-NA] CP over2000 now.
I'm Tank and Healer main player.0 -
NovelliESO✭✭✭✭AvalonRanger wrote: »Somebody say "Please buff DK ! ", Other dude say "Please nerf DK !"
Sigh....dev still keep doing those nonsense PVP game design?
Just stop damage only PVP game...Dev had better play "BattleField" for education.
No thanks ESO PVP, seriously. I'm really happy that I can get "trade bar" from non
PVP season event currently.
The person posting that DK needs buffs is doing so sarcastically. Nobody who plays PvP currently at any measurable skill level above average thinks DK needs anything aside from nerfs.5 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭CannedChicken wrote: »Four_Fingers wrote: »Were you wearing armor? /joke
I had 43k spell resist and major protection from monomyth. It didn't even help.
Resists don't matter this patch , esp. when fighting DK. You need to be actively defending or you'll simply lose. It's part of why DK isn't balanced. If everyone had access to that kind of power, then it wouldn't be an issue but that isn't the case. Glass builds used to be soft. Then they super buffed, I mean reworked DK.
If you cannot heal yourself instantly, hold block when appropriate, or move away, it doesn't matter how much you stack in defense you're done once the whips over 20K start.1 -
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✭✭CannedChicken wrote: »Four_Fingers wrote: »Were you wearing armor? /joke
I had 43k spell resist and major protection from monomyth. It didn't even help.
Resists don't matter this patch , esp. when fighting DK. You need to be actively defending or you'll simply lose.
Imagine having to actually use core combat skills
People might take these threads more seriously if you recreated the actual hit, its far from normal. People acting like 41k whips are common is why it falls on deaf ears.Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
Zos now: Do you want Vengeance permanent or permanent...4 -
CannedChicken wrote: »Four_Fingers wrote: »Were you wearing armor? /joke
I had 43k spell resist and major protection from monomyth. It didn't even help.
Resists don't matter this patch , esp. when fighting DK. You need to be actively defending or you'll simply lose. It's part of why DK isn't balanced. If everyone had access to that kind of power, then it wouldn't be an issue but that isn't the case. Glass builds used to be soft. Then they super buffed, I mean reworked DK.
If you cannot heal yourself instantly, hold block when appropriate, or move away, it doesn't matter how much you stack in defense you're done once the whips over 20K start.
Yeah I couldn't agree more. The real problem with dk is they have infinite sustain and unreasonable survivability while also having the highest damage in the game. Zos seems set on maintaining the sustain and tankiness of this class, but I think the whip damage stacking is a joke. Surely we can just get a battle spirit nerf on the whip stacks so it doesn't even affect pve.1 -
NovelliESO✭✭✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »CannedChicken wrote: »Four_Fingers wrote: »Were you wearing armor? /joke
I had 43k spell resist and major protection from monomyth. It didn't even help.
Resists don't matter this patch , esp. when fighting DK. You need to be actively defending or you'll simply lose.
Imagine having to actually use core combat skills
People might take these threads more seriously if you recreated the actual hit, its far from normal. People acting like 41k whips are common is why it falls on deaf ears.
Funny coming from someone like you who never actually engages with anything to begin with. If someone says something you don't like you just tune it out and respond with "I know I'm right" when the vast majority of the time you are as far from right as someone can be.
It doesn't matter how common they are, this should not happen from a spammable, and you always move the goal post, before you said this didn't even happen.
Your response to me last time you tried this:BardokRedSnow wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »Notice how what I posted doesn't get responded to after I dismantled how much stronger pure DK was. Interesting isn't it?
You win.Edited by NovelliESO on August 10, 2026 2:14AM6
