edward_frigidhands wrote: »

This poll is useless because the one that really matters was in the game and it was pretty decisive.

I'm not sure what you meant by "the one that really matters"-- the one form of PvP, or something else?

As I said in my comment, no-CP options already exist for Imperial City and Cyrodiil, so to my way of thinking the poll isn't even relevant for those two, since players already have the ability to engage in no-CP PvP there if they want to.

And BGs are (unless I'm mistaken) already no-CP for all BGs, so the poll doesn't seem relevant to that, either.

The only form of PvP that doesn't have a no-CP option is dueling, and to my mind that's sort of irrelevant as well, because it is possible for 2 players to completely reset their CP distributions before starting a duel, hence there sort of already is a no-CP option for dueling as well. The players might want to save their builds to the armory before resetting their CP, to more easily restore their characters back to "normal" after the duel, and it would be up to both players to be truthful with each other about resetting their CP before starting to duel, so it would be awkward and prone to abuse (lying), but it could be a viable option for players who enjoy dueling and who belong to a PvP guild or a group of friends who duel each other for sport or who want to work on their builds and skill rotations with CP "getting in the way."

So I can't fathom what the goal of this poll might be, unless for some reason there are players who want CP to be removed from the game entirely. And if that's the case, then I hope it never happens, because I think it would just drive a lot of players to walk away from the game and uninstall it. A lot of players are already far too likely to rage out at the drop of a hat over one thing or another. Please, let's ask ZOS to add options, not take options away.

We had a no CP campaign before Vengeance came along, and it was not worth keeping, way to few players played it.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

We had a no CP campaign before Vengeance came along, and it was not worth keeping, way to few players played it.

I thought Blackreach is no-CP, but I guess they changed it a while back? I admit, I wasn't paying attention at the time, since I don't play in Blackreach at all.

No, Blackreach was CP enabled. It's essentially GH without the alliance lock.

Ravenwatch was the noCP. Then they removed some proc sets, but there was no official list on what worked and what didn't, and half of the things you'd expect didn't work as expected. That lasted a while, then they brought back all the sets again but it never regained the population, since the only people who played RW at that point were playing for the noProc version, and then they drove them off by bringing procs back but it didn't bring new players in.

Y'know, kinda like how Vengeance's population is most happy about it not having proc sets, so their answer was to drive those people off by bringing in sets in the vain hope of getting people to swap from GH to VG...

No CP Ravenwatch, was also No Proc Ravenwatch…

You know, that campaign that had some mystery ruleset on which procs did or didn’t work, that nobody had a list for, therefore nobody wasted their time trying to understand it… except for one forum user who spent patches trying to figure it out only to give up at the hopeless-ness of it.

We had the same problem with recent Vengeance.

On the contrary, we have no-CP Battlegrounds, and they are incredibly popular.

All-in-all, it would just be nice to not get hit by a -Riposte- corrosive whip for 30k and die instantly in Cyrodiil at full resistances.

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

There's a reason why people just die in a second in BGs and other no CP pvp contents. It is because the game is balanced around CP enabled environment. Iirc, ZOS said so few years ago.

And no, removal of CP won't make anyone a god of PvP either.

Imagine thinking ESOs current state is balanced around anything.

Long time ago, even before all proc/nonproc test started, Rawenwatch was very popular, probably more popular than GH (on PC EU) because it was locked all the time during prime time. It was proc non-CP campaign, and it was pretty good. I started to play it because I was told it requires more "skill". I personally think that both require skill to play well, but CP adds extra layer which adds some disbalance at the end, you can make tank without damage and you will never be able to make DD which can kill this tank for example. Defensive stats are stronger than offensive, and more defensive stats you can add, further from balance it goes. I then played no-proc RW, I liked it too. Now I have to play GH lol. My points are:
1) basically, for a good player, it does not matter, in equal conditions, they will find a way to outplay others and they will handle CP loss pretty fast
2) CP allows to create MUCH more tuff builds, and pugs struggle to kill them even in overwhelming Xv1, noCP will lead to more tuff fights for small scalers/solo players who use to be unkillable in CP, which is not bad too for majority of Cyro players
3) CP adds additional calculation layer, so removing it could actually help with lags a bit

I expect majority to vote for CP because GH it is the only campaign they played

RedMamba wrote: »

You do realize CP contributes to people not dying when they should, buffing ball groups even more and making the healing issues worse. All these things lead to why the game performance is so bad and people can survive longer plus all the server calculations. It's a simple fix and they can move on from wasting peoples time with Vengeance.

CP has an influence there, but wearing three proc sets and/or a mythic contribute much, much more in terms of calculations. Sets used to be five lines that added constant values like max magicka or max stamina.

RedMamba wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

RedMamba wrote: »

You do realize CP contributes to people not dying when they should, buffing ball groups even more and making the healing issues worse. All these things lead to why the game performance is so bad and people can survive longer plus all the server calculations. It's a simple fix and they can move on from wasting peoples time with Vengeance.

CP has an influence there, but wearing three proc sets and/or a mythic contribute much, much more in terms of calculations. Sets used to be five lines that added constant values like max magicka or max stamina.

I don't disagree its multiple factors but turning off CP is a simple fix and would improve performance.

There are only 12 slottable CPs now and they are constant values, not stacks of things that proc like sets. You cannot guarantee they would improve performance.

aLi3nZ wrote: »

I vote remove because I already play primarily bg and no cp ic.

But I’m curious as to what big concerns people have with cp based PvP

It removes an element of mindgaming because you don't have to manage resources and you're tanky enough to eat a bunch of hits and block cast a lot. The strategy to pressure someone down until they run out of resources is nonexistent with CP being more forgiving but now there's 1 less win condition that players can take advantage of.