Werewolf Transformation is ridiculously OP (World Ending!)

Panderbander · July 25

Okay, so we all have seen the myriad of threads talking about how werewolf is strong but have we considered that the transformation is AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO ALL LIFE ON TAMRIEL?

I present to you
SOME MATH

So, some quick napkin math here based on the perceived difference in size between a female Khajiit and a transformed werewolf. Looking at the screenshots here, we can see that the transformed werewolf is approximately 3x the size of the Khajiit in total mass.

The average human female, globally, has a mass of about 62kg (137lbs), which would place the werewolf's total mass around 186kg (410lbs). So far so good, that seems like a reasonable size for a hulking beast of Daedric design. BUT HAVE WE CONSIDERED WHERE THAT MASS GOES WHEN THE WEREWOLF TRANSFORMS BACK?!

As we don't see a huge piece of werewolf slough off or a burst of wind or anything of that sort occur when the transformation back to humanoid form happens, we can assume the mass is transformed into energy. For anyone with any basic high school knowhow of how physics works, this results in a LOT of energy released. In this case, unimaginable amounts.

Reverting from werewolf to human (or Khajiit in this case) results in approximately 124kg (274lbs) of mass being converted into energy. Using the famous E=mc² equation, this results in the following equation:

124kg * (299792458m/s*299792458m/s)

which equates to

11,144,564,216,337 MEGA JOULES of energy being released

Even without knowing how much energy a MJ contains, it's easy to see that this is a BIG NUMBER.

For comparison, the largest atomic weapon ever detonated was the Tsar Bomba by the USSR in 1961. The resulting release of energy was 3300 times greater than the first bomb atomic weapon used in WW2, and that weapon flattened a city.

That explosion is diminutive in comparison to the energy released by the 124kg of mass being converted into energy by a werewolf transforming back.

The Tsar Bomba resulted in an energy release of approximately 209,200,000MJ. Some quick math for our comparison of how big this energy release is in comparison to our werewolf transformation:

11,114,564,216,337 / 209,200,000 = 53,129 (rounded)

THE WEREWOLF TRANSFORMING BACK WOULD RESULT IN AN EXPLOSION 53,129 TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN THE LARGEST ATOMIC WEAPON EVER DETONATED.

I think it's safe to say that the Tamriel as we know it is toast after a single werewolf reverts back, let alone an entire pack of them. Praise the Eight that the laws of physics don't apply here!

Erickson9610 · July 25

More proof that the human form is OP.

Gabriel_H · July 25

You premise is based on the density of the werewolf remaining the same.

Panderbander · July 25

Gabriel_H wrote: »

You premise is based on the density of the werewolf remaining the same.

I think it's fair to say that since werewolves are supposed to be significantly better at taking on damage than a human, the density might actually be higher than a human's.

Then again, maybe they're just full of air like large, furry balloons.

Gabriel_H · July 25

Panderbander wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

You premise is based on the density of the werewolf remaining the same.

I think it's fair to say that since werewolves are supposed to be significantly better at taking on damage than a human, the density might actually be higher than a human's.

Then again, maybe they're just full of air like large, furry balloons.

Or they are better at taking damage because it's a bigger target with more empty space inside.

Panderbander · July 25

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Panderbander wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

You premise is based on the density of the werewolf remaining the same.

I think it's fair to say that since werewolves are supposed to be significantly better at taking on damage than a human, the density might actually be higher than a human's.

Then again, maybe they're just full of air like large, furry balloons.

Or they are better at taking damage because it's a bigger target with more empty space inside.

This is fair. They could, in fact, be more like foam.

Gabriel_H · July 25

Panderbander wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Panderbander wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

You premise is based on the density of the werewolf remaining the same.

I think it's fair to say that since werewolves are supposed to be significantly better at taking on damage than a human, the density might actually be higher than a human's.

Then again, maybe they're just full of air like large, furry balloons.

Or they are better at taking damage because it's a bigger target with more empty space inside.

This is fair. They could, in fact, be more like foam.

Wait! I know what happens. Mass is conserved throughout the process.

As you can see from your screenshot, the werewolf is naked. Yet, when they transform to wolf, the armour et al is transformed to energy to fuel the process and give them the extra mass, and then upon returning to human form the additional mass once again become armour et al.

SwordOfSagas · July 25

It's daedric magic, as for how it works you'll have to ask Hircine lol.

Elvenheart · July 25

Much like how every time a bell rings an angel gets their wings, every time a werewolf transforms a new Daedra is born.

Or, to take it further, part of the magic that goes into being a werewolf ties the individual to a Daedra in Hircine’s realm. When one transforms into a werewolf, the transformation consumes the energy of the Daedra, and transforming back reforms the Daedra. This means that there are a lot of Daedra that say, “Oh, not AGAIN!” every time transformations take place!

katanagirl1 · July 25

Yes, this has always bothered me from a standpoint of physics:

The law of conservation of mass states that matter can neither be created nor destroyed in a chemical or physical change.
(From google search)

The mass of the werewolf is more than the mass of the Khajiit.

laniakea_0 · July 25

@Panderbander there's really no need for a transformation into energy since there is a much simpler explanation. the mass differential is likely filled by spare Creatia (probably sourced from the Hunting Grounds). when you transform back, it simply goes back to where it came from.

Panderbander · July 25

laniakea_0 wrote: »

@Panderbander there's really no need for a transformation into energy since there is a much simpler explanation. the mass differential is likely filled by spare Creatia (probably sourced from the Hunting Grounds). when you transform back, it simply goes back to where it came from.

Praise be the Eight for producing a world where the laws of physics as we know them are subverted by magic!

Wuuffyy · July 25

I would like to think it’d have to tie with the fact that lycanthropy in the Elder Scrolls universe stems from Hircine and it’s possible that him (and his ‘god-like’ power) along with his realm would potentially act as both a battery and a potential energy dump as well.

But again, this is on the same level as ‘wizard space magic’ so who knows at this point, lol.

laniakea_0 · July 26

Panderbander wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

@Panderbander there's really no need for a transformation into energy since there is a much simpler explanation. the mass differential is likely filled by spare Creatia (probably sourced from the Hunting Grounds). when you transform back, it simply goes back to where it came from.

Praise be the Eight for producing a world where the laws of physics as we know them are subverted by magic!

no, it's basically like converting to energy and right back to creatia.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · July 26

They swell up like a Balloon and bones stretch.

Attorneyatlawl · July 26

Great Scott!

1.21 gigawatts!!!!!

wolfie1.0. · July 26

Two even more fascinating are two additional phenomena:

Argonians lose their tails and their scales when they transform into werewolves...

Ember wolfsbane and hater of all wolves will not comment if you are a werewolf and transform in front of her, nor will she if you put her on a wolf mount, or wolf themed armor....

Panderbander · July 26

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Two even more fascinating are two additional phenomena:

Argonians lose their tails and their scales when they transform into werewolves...

Ember wolfsbane and hater of all wolves will not comment if you are a werewolf and transform in front of her, nor will she if you put her on a wolf mount, or wolf themed armor....

Me being the evil person I am, placed Zerith Var on the Dro Mothra Senche Raht mount

spartaxoxo · July 26

Panderbander wrote: »

11,144,564,216,337 MEGA JOULES of energy being released

Even without knowing how much energy a MJ contains, it's easy to see that this is a BIG NUMBER.

This has got to be one of the funniest threads I've seen in a while LMAO.

Ecgberht_confused · July 26

The fact that Aetherius spills into Mundus prevents both mass and energy conservation. Even the second law of thermodynamics doesn't apply here!

LunaFlora · July 26

this is a pawesome thread

arctangent · July 26

Excess energy released by WW transformation (or any other transformation, for instance Vampire Scions, Storm Atronachs, all those dead monsters y'all kill) is NOT released on Nirn, it is ported back to the Plane the mass came from in the first place:
The Plane of Garbage, where all the excess clutter goes when it disappears from Nirn.

If conditions are just right YOU can be ported there too, and visit Recycle City and The Landfill and all the other somewhat smelly regions there. Getting back might be a problem, though.

Kiash · July 26

While it's fun in a RP way, it's definitely an existential threat in BGs haha.

HatchetHaro · July 26

Wait, but where did the 124kg of raw werewolf muscle, fur, and rage come from in the first place? According to E=mc², creating 124kg of matter out of thin air requires absorbing the same 11,144,564,216,337 MJ of heat and energy from the environment!

Which means that the very moment a person transforms into their werewolf form, they don't just bulk up and grow fur; they violently suck all ambient thermal energy out of the region, instantly plunging the surrounding 22km radius into absolute zero. For context, Tamriel is about 19km wide in-game, which means that each werewolf transformation will flash-freeze the entire continent, its surrounding seas, and all of its inhabitants into solid ice.

When the werewolf transforms back and releases the mega-nuke, it isn't destroying Tamriel; it's just defrosting it! The blast cancels out the absolute-zero freeze!

In fact, the werewolf transformations keep Tamriel in thermal equilibrium. Every time someone transforms into a werewolf somewhere, someone else transforms back into their mortal form, and the only explanation for why people don't experience these differences in temperature, outside of some truly Aedric levels of coincidence, is because there are so many werewolves transforming at all times all across Tamriel.

For someone to perceive a temperature difference, there needs to be a change of at least 0.5°C over ~100 milliseconds. To keep Tamriel's temperature drift within that 0.5°C margin over the 2-second duration of a werewolf's transformation, one werewolf transformation must be accompanied by a werewolf reversion within 30.68 microseconds. What this means is, to maintain Tamriel's thermal consistency, there is a minimum of 32,593 werewolf transformations on Tamriel every second.

That is a minimum, which assumes that each werewolf transformation is for sure met with a reversion, like an alternating current, and we all know werewolves do not have that level of continent-wide coordination. Given that there is pure statistical randomness with the werewolf transformations, and that those temperature fluctuations need to blur together to below 0.5°C over 100ms: in order to keep Tamriel feeling like it's yet another Morndas, there needs to be an average of about 651,850 werewolf transformations per second, which is about 56.3 billion transformations per day!

The cold seasons are just some of the werewolves choosing to go into hibernation!

Panderbander · July 26

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Wait, but where did the 124kg of raw werewolf muscle, fur, and rage come from in the first place? According to E=mc², creating 124kg of matter out of thin air requires absorbing the same 11,144,564,216,337 MJ of heat and energy from the environment!

Which means that the very moment a person transforms into their werewolf form, they don't just bulk up and grow fur; they violently suck all ambient thermal energy out of the region, instantly plunging the surrounding 22km radius into absolute zero. For context, Tamriel is about 19km wide in-game, which means that each werewolf transformation will flash-freeze the entire continent, its surrounding seas, and all of its inhabitants into solid ice.

When the werewolf transforms back and releases the mega-nuke, it isn't destroying Tamriel; it's just defrosting it! The blast cancels out the absolute-zero freeze!

In fact, the werewolf transformations keep Tamriel in thermal equilibrium. Every time someone transforms into a werewolf somewhere, someone else transforms back into their mortal form, and the only explanation for why people don't experience these differences in temperature, outside of some truly Aedric levels of coincidence, is because there are so many werewolves transforming at all times all across Tamriel.

For someone to perceive a temperature difference, there needs to be a change of at least 0.5°C over ~100 milliseconds. To keep Tamriel's temperature drift within that 0.5°C margin over the 2-second duration of a werewolf's transformation, one werewolf transformation must be accompanied by a werewolf reversion within 30.68 microseconds. What this means is, to maintain Tamriel's thermal consistency, there is a minimum of 32,593 werewolf transformations on Tamriel every second.

That is a minimum, which assumes that each werewolf transformation is for sure met with a reversion, like an alternating current, and we all know werewolves do not have that level of continent-wide coordination. Given that there is pure statistical randomness with the werewolf transformations, and that those temperature fluctuations need blur together to below 0.5°C over 100ms, in order to keep Tamriel feeling like it's yet another Morndas, there needs to be an average of about 651,850 werewolf transformations per second, which is about 56.3 billion transformations per day!

The cold seasons are just some of the werewolves choosing to go into hibernation!

You have some intriguing ideas. We may have to collaborate our research efforts!

Gabriel_H · July 26

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Panderbander wrote: »

11,144,564,216,337 MEGA JOULES of energy being released

Even without knowing how much energy a MJ contains, it's easy to see that this is a BIG NUMBER.

This has got to be one of the funniest threads I've seen in a while LMAO.

I think you mean furriest!

I'll see myself out