Will we ever be able to change our race?

Maverick827 · May 2014

ShintaiDK wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Zenimax will implement race changes when the game goes free to play. It's obvious everything was designed to be able to easily transition to a f2p model.

Race changes are so benign, I can't imagine why everyone is so against them. The last decade of MMO development has proven that quality of life functions like name changes and race changes make far more people happy then they do upset. Few or none of you will leave if they implement race changes, but many would stay/return if they did.

You forgot the magic potion of instant max level too. I mean why play and make decisions, just remove it all from the start.

Race changes are not the same as max level potions. Don't slippery slope me, bro.

Merlin13KAGL · May 2014

pronkg wrote: »

While we are at it ZoS please make a potion that gives me a purple horse I like purple horses

Must it be purple? (Sigh...) Can it at least be a different shade than familiar purple?

I already have enough trouble remembering where I parked my Clanfear...

Utildai · May 2014

I don't seem to have any problems playing my templar melee/healer... he's a 1h shield type, seems to work fine for me in dungeon's or out questing... change your skills...

kewl · May 2014

@Opux /cheer I hope ZOS accommodates you.

Drazhar14 · May 2014

A race change doesn't even make sense... maybe a magic tonic to transform you temporarily XD

As for a Khajiit melee sorcerer, that is exactly what my character is... and I'm having a blast with dual wield lightning awesomeness! Veteran content is challenging, but if I use my abilities at the right time I can handle groups of mobs no problem.

Erock25 · May 2014

Drazhar14 wrote: »

A race change doesn't even make sense... maybe a magic tonic to transform you temporarily XD

As for a Khajiit melee sorcerer, that is exactly what my character is... and I'm having a blast with dual wield lightning awesomeness! Veteran content is challenging, but if I use my abilities at the right time I can handle groups of mobs no problem.

It is fun. Melee over casters any day for me in other games. Problem with ESO is I'm also interesting in squeezing every single bit of potential DPS out of character for Time Trials and the overwhelming consensus is that it is magicka based sorceror or gtfo! I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. I find the problem to be that there are a few ways to regen your magicka for extended boss fights but our options are severely limited for stamina restoring tools. Also destruction staff aoe decimates other weapon based aoe and the way they split physical and spell crit make it impossible to have a melee weapon / destruction staff combo and excel at both.

Nox_Aeterna · May 2014

I do hope they eventually add this , even add a class change.

People with time want change , but not all of them will want to lvl an alt , so they leave the game.

Having this kind of thing might save subs , but i think it is too early to need them , if zen finally actually balance this game.

Cogo · May 2014

What are you all talking about. You have 8 character slots with where you can choose any race with any class.

And if you even hint that you should be able to change class/race when your story already begun, then you know NOTHING about MMORPG.

This moronic ability to be able to change race, class and alliance is world of warcraft. Just pay up and you get it.

Unless you missed this small fact, ESO is the OPPOSITE of WoW.
YOU decide your faith, but you live with the choices you do.

I really dont get the question.

@Nox_Aeterna

Are you still here? Didn't you say goodbye 3-4-5 times a month ago, that you will leave this, quote "fail game", in a month when your subscription ran out.

I can't believe you keep paying your subscription only to read my wonderful posts, are you?

I still havn't used my ring of mara to marry anyone. You interested?

lishiping84 · May 2014

I thought my emperial melee dps night blade build was stupid, well....

Cogo · May 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

This game was advertised as Play the Way You Want. Unfortunately for my Khajit Sorceror, melee is not really an option. It is severely underpowered and therefore I have completely useless racial bonuses.

Hey Zeni .... why don't you sell a Race Change potion or something? I would gladly buy it, as well as many other people. More money for you = good thing for game.

Fair enough, you have a valid question.

I have a question for you. Did you read anything about this game before you got it. I mean from how Zenimax described and marketed the game?

The HUGE points was just like you said: You play like you want. You choose your way and how and what you will be doing. However, you live with the effects, good or bad.

Zenimax even keep hammering this, open world, as few restrictions as possible. How you evolve and what happens to you, is up to you.

How do you figure, giving you the power to choose whatever race/class/faction and how to build it, goes with....oh damn, I made a mistake of picking the "wrong" race....and want to change? What happen with choosing your faith but live with your choices?

The whole reason for being able to choose whatever you want goes out the window? Doesn't it?

Also, you are doing a classic mistake. You state that your current build is not good. I read it as it did not suit you. Fair enough. Try another class/race. Nothing is stopping you. And if you havn't notied, Zenimax is fixing/addin/evolving pretty much everything. Soon even not 1 but 2 new guilds with a full set of skill trees will come. Along with new spells, quests and hell, a whole new zone!

Your post was short, so I could only read that you want to change because you don't feel powerful enough? Ok. Try something different? There is a respec option. Oh yeah, you picked the "wrong" race. Ok, pick a new one, but don't expect to be able to do that with the same character. Why? Because that will ruin the CORE of the game, which is the story about YOU. And when you picked another race...and your cat race skills becomes "the best", are your cat interesting again then?

"But you already played to X level and don't want to do it again"

First of all, there isn't 1 character in the whole game that is exactly like another. There are so many choices that whatever you do, you will be unique.

Pick something that you like and can relate too, because skills, features, abilities WILL get balanced, changed and maybe even a new race? Who knows.

I feel a bit that your reason for waiting to change race simply is based on the racial skills. I think you are in the wrong game if you only want the Jedi knight of everyone. ESO is working constantly to balance pretty much everything.

Nox_Aeterna · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

What are you all talking about. You have 8 character slots with where you can choose any race with any class.

And if you even hint that you should be able to change class/race when your story already begun, then you know NOTHING about MMORPG.

This moronic ability to be able to change race, class and alliance is world of warcraft. Just pay up and you get it.

Unless you missed this small fact, ESO is the OPPOSITE of WoW.
YOU decide your faith, but you live with the choices you do.

I really dont get the question.

And WoW is the most successful MMO ever.

Exactly because , for all their many faults , blizzard devs do understand that to keep a game this size and in this market going you need to please many different kinds of players. If you only try to gather one , you will go down eventually.

Like i said , not everyone will roll an alt over quitting the game , if they could change their char , there is a chance they would and probably nobody would complain if this was in a cash shop so that people dont use it all the time , which would generate even more money to zen.

I do believe giving the players choices is usually the best path.

Cogo wrote: »

@Nox_Aeterna

Are you still here? Didn't you say goodbye 3-4-5 times a month ago, that you will leave this, quote "fail game", in a month when your subscription ran out.

I can't believe you keep paying your subscription only to read my wonderful posts, are you? I still havn't used my ring of mara to marry anyone. You interested?

Quite sure i never said i would quit before i got to vet10 , still vet7 , it does take time.

And no, i dont stay for just for one person :P ,still i dont remember you posting much yourself.

When i finish the story , then i will probably leave , making a templar was a mistake , while i do think i would not change my race , templar breton fit quite well in the whole breton lore now that im finally in their zone.

And yes , before you say it , im in the "people that quit over their class" , like i did say before , if it deppends on me lvling an alt , i would quit first.

The current content is really limited when it comes to lvling alts , probably that will change in an exp or two.

esoone · May 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

Niliu wrote: »

pronkg wrote: »

It took you all the way to vet rank 3 to realize that your racial skills don't suit a Mage?? LoL

I know right? Herp-a-derp

Why are all these trolls hanging out in customer support forum?

There hungry since the provisioning nerf.

Cogo · May 2014

So you still have your ring of mara then? ;-)

WoW is the biggest game in the world if you count current subscriptions, yes.
I played WoW from day one and where happy for many years, but the game kept changing to easier and easier. The way Blizzard evolved the game suited me (And a bunch of other) less and less.

The big problem for us addicted MMOs is that there was no real MMO with the vision, personell and pure interest in doing a new Everquest. Say what you will, but even if Everquest was not the first MMO, it kick started a lot of companies to try to make a softwhere where players would pay a monthly fee of 10 $ a month. Many tried and had good concept but most failed because they did not understand the market, or the need to not just make the game, but evolve it.

Funcom did a good job, but sadly didnt find that drug that EQ had, to keep people logging on.

Most MMOs had that problem....simply where no drug in it that made you speed home from work to play the game.

Blizzard not only nailed it, but created a new type of MMO which Everquest could not battle with. Still, raiding in Everquest has yet to be beaten by any game. WoW included.

WoW is the biggest game with subscribers atm, because of their choice of type of game to evolve. Just look at WoD. Simple, easy, fast, now. Free level 90ies. Loot that changes with your spec. The facebook generation loooooves wow. They can log in, que for a raid. click a few buttons, get loot, get achievement and log off in an hour. Feeling they actually did something.

Yes, there are a lot of people who want this type of game. I am NOT one of them and I suspect I am not alone in my thinking.

If you have not noticed, ESO going the other direction. Do what you want, but you are responsible for your actions, successes and failures. Don't blame the game....

How about these rings? Shall we?

Nox_Aeterna · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

So you still have your ring of mara then? ;-)

Actually because of the bank bug (i think , since the time logged and got the new mails , was the time my bank got reset ), i have 2 of those , also got 2 of each pet and CE maps.

All i had to pay for it was all my banks slots upgrades and gold in it.

Woot! :P

Vaerth · May 2014

Frcyr wrote: »

Please don't make an race change possible!

If you are underpowered change something. You have so many things you can change and you want to change one of the few unchangable things?
Orc Sorcerer isn't best way to, but i can live with him, so i don't realy care that my racial skills arn't the best for my playstyle.

If you got a problem with race change dont use it, stupid to be against something OPTIONAL. I personally do not need to change my race, but I support those who wish to do so.

You people who cry about it make no sense. If you do not want to use it, then DO NOT use it. That simple. Go cry about something that matters, something that would apply to YOU.

LadyDestiny · May 2014

Nothing wrong with khajiit and I actually enjoying playing one. For me it is not the khajiit, it's the bugged nb skills and in VR zones it can be a pain. Just learn to adapt, and change some things around. It all works out in the end.

Kyosji · May 2014

Once they start putting a store in the game that can change aspects of a character for improvement, I'm leaving the game. This is why I hate F2P games. A cash store does not belong in a subscription based MMO. I'm already kind of angry they put a horse on a cash shop, but I can deal with that because it doesn't effect someones battle. Giving someone the ability to change their racial stats on the fly in a pay to win manner is where I say no.

If you are unhappy with your melee damage, put more stamina in your character. Stamina is what determines all weapon damage.

brandon · May 2014

I really hope they don't make a race change potion not only would it be lore breaking but they already have a skill point redo system they don't need to do this too.

Fairydragon3 · May 2014

Ok there is a lot of negativity for an issue which seems not so different than a respec. Not everyone one will understand what their abilities are when first creating the character since the description is pretty damn vague. alot of those bonuses make you think it gives bonus damage, when it really just lets you level it up faster. there should be no good reason not to have a race change eventually. I dont see this happening soon, since it will require designing a tool and getting the billing system worked on, but not everyone that plays this game is a pro gamer, people make mistakes, and not everyone has the time to level up another character. Op didnt sound upset or angry at all, they just noticed they ESO doesnt have this in there, and would like to make the suggestion for the future. However this is the wrong place for this topic. Not in CS man, this is where the crazies are

Vannor · May 2014

Opux wrote: »

One of these is better than the other for you, Zenimax.

Nice, blackmail. I think Zenimax and the rest of us will be better off with you playing some other game. /wave

Reignskream · May 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

This game was advertised as Play the Way You Want. Unfortunately for my Khajit Sorceror, melee is not really an option. It is severely underpowered and therefore I have completely useless racial bonuses.

Hey Zeni .... why don't you sell a Race Change potion or something? I would gladly buy it, as well as many other people. More money for you = good thing for game.

Asking for a race change due to your mistakes...errmm..Well i see it being beneficial, ofcourse. make like a 20 or 25 dollar charge if you want to change race.

But just because you jumped the gun without doing some research?

There is a huge difference between being able to play the way you want, and basically having a game handed to you. I dont view race changes as a good feature of "play the way you want" type of thing. It's silly.

If thats the case they might as well open a cash shop and go p2w.

Erock25 · May 2014

Reignskream wrote: »

But just because you jumped the gun without doing some research?

Yeah because there was a ton of info out during the early access release about VR10 sorceror caster vs melee dps. Bottom line is ZOS failed in balancing melee vs caster dps and I'd like to pay them so I can sidestep their own balancing flaws.

90% of the responses to this thread are a joke.

Fairydragon3 · May 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

Reignskream wrote: »

But just because you jumped the gun without doing some research?

Yeah because there was a ton of info out during the early access release about VR10 sorceror caster vs melee dps. Bottom line is ZOS failed in balancing melee vs caster dps and I'd like to pay them so I can sidestep their own balancing flaws.

90% of the responses to this thread are a joke.

as I said, that's what happens when you post something in Cs. There is alot more positiveness in game discussion

Reignskream · May 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

Reignskream wrote: »

But just because you jumped the gun without doing some research?

Yeah because there was a ton of info out during the early access release about VR10 sorceror caster vs melee dps. Bottom line is ZOS failed in balancing melee vs caster dps and I'd like to pay them so I can sidestep their own balancing flaws.

90% of the responses to this thread are a joke.

You not looking up racials and the likes for your class, and realizing that a sorc is not going to be at its strongest as a melee is a fault of your own, as that is plainly common sense.

But don't get me wrong, i agree with you in terms of possibly allowing people to race change, i just dont want it to be cheap.

Erock25 · May 2014

Reignskream wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Reignskream wrote: »

But just because you jumped the gun without doing some research?

Yeah because there was a ton of info out during the early access release about VR10 sorceror caster vs melee dps. Bottom line is ZOS failed in balancing melee vs caster dps and I'd like to pay them so I can sidestep their own balancing flaws.

90% of the responses to this thread are a joke.

You not looking up racials and the likes for your class, and realizing that a sorc is not going to be at its strongest as a melee is a fault of your own, as that is plainly common sense.

But don't get me wrong, i agree with you in terms of possibly allowing people to race change, i just dont want it to be cheap.

The racials and my class skills are the exact reason I chose what I did. Was trying to min/max on crit with khajit for critical surge.

Melee isnt jsut a sorceror problem either. It underperforms for all classes and that is the fault of Zenimax.

ZOS_LeroyW · May 2014

Hello, everyone. We're posting to let you know that we've relocated this discussion to the General Discussion forum. Thank you!

Erock25 · May 2014

ZOS_LeroyW wrote: »

Hello, everyone. We're posting to let you know that we've relocated this discussion to the General Discussion forum. Thank you!

Why thank you. Couldn't find the general discussion forum when I first posted this. Now ... where my race change potion at!? I got monies for you!

RustyBlades · May 2014

I'd like to change my race to barbaric daedric ancient elf please.

Blo0dstorm · May 2014

I haven't read the full thread, it tended too much (for me at least) to turn into some kind of l33t flaming I'm not particularly fond of.

Maybe that could be interesting to be able to join some kind of specific race NPC guild or school and as some kind of foster apprentice, learn a skill from another race than yours by completing a chain of quests.
Like you are a Khajit and want to get some passive from Argonians, you perform for them some tasks, quests and learn argonian resistance.

huntgod_ESO · May 2014

Why would you level a NB, why not just lobby to be able change class, though you can't really argue that sorc is underpowered, someone with a NB could definitely argue they are underpowered compared to the other three, viable, but they have to work harder at it. So just let em change.

I honestly with race was just a cosmetic and factional choice, I would prefer that you had a pool of stat bumps and you picked the one you wanted. KEep them grouped the way they are, but make it a choice, so you can select the race you like for RP or cosmetic reasons, the alliance and the stat bump that fits what you want to do.