Class Re-Work

Goregram1 · July 12

With layoffs how long till more Re-works? The DK WW spam an unkillable ball groups is boring an frustrating. i might just go play something else till they sort things out an make a public announcement or fix cyro

Soarora · July 12

New roadmap in the coming weeks. Won’t know anything else until then beyond reworks not being cancelled and the combat team wasn’t gutted by layoffs.

Usureki · July 12

They have quite the work to do considering how incredibly miserable state ESO PvP balance is in. I'm so bored and fed up coz if you don't play 2 of the 7 class options available in the game, you just sign your second class citizenship papers.

LarsS · July 12

From another thread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/discussion/comment/8504031/#Comment_8504031

thesarahandcompany · July 12

If you think only DK and WW are viable right now you aren't paying attention. The gap between classes is arguably less than what it was before the DK rework first started, and let's not forget, DK got reworked first because it's been lagging behind for years.

Sorc is extremely viable right now. It's Class Mastery passives gave it insane boosts.

Templar literally got a free flat 700/tick bonus damage passive (which all flat damage bypasses battle spirit and applies to individual ticks) and no one uses it. Each jab tick, sun fire tick, burning light tick, etc. does 700 more damage, 1,030 with draugrkin's grip.

Warden just got an extra free 1600 weapon/spell damage and 20% crit damage from major brittle.

The only classes underwhelming I'd argue are maybe Necromancer and Nightblade in terms of class masteries, from a DPS perspective.

Militan1404 · July 12

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

If you think only DK and WW are viable right now you aren't paying attention. The gap between classes is arguably less than what it was before the DK rework first started, and let's not forget, DK got reworked first because it's been lagging behind for years.

Sorc is extremely viable right now. It's Class Mastery passives gave it insane boosts.

Templar literally got a free flat 700/tick bonus damage passive (which all flat damage bypasses battle spirit and applies to individual ticks) and no one uses it. Each jab tick, sun fire tick, burning light tick, etc. does 700 more damage, 1,030 with draugrkin's grip.

Warden just got an extra free 1600 weapon/spell damage and 20% crit damage from major brittle.

The only classes underwhelming I'd argue are maybe Necromancer and Nightblade in terms of class masteries, from a DPS perspective.

Are you sure judgement brand bypasses battle spirit? I heard it dosent.

Edit. tryed it now, and seems to only increase slightly 350 in dmg that is not really that good. And no templars damage is still bad even with 3 dmg sets, on a dk, sorc and ww i can do insaine dmg and not even build for it and be extremely tanky at the same time. On a templar tho you could either go full glass canon and do medicore dmg or be extremely tanky and do zero dmg. So stop spreading misinformation that classes are almost equal becouse they are not even close.

Luneca · July 13

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

If you think only DK and WW are viable right now you aren't paying attention. The gap between classes is arguably less than what it was before the DK rework first started, and let's not forget, DK got reworked first because it's been lagging behind for years.

Sorc is extremely viable right now. It's Class Mastery passives gave it insane boosts.

Templar literally got a free flat 700/tick bonus damage passive (which all flat damage bypasses battle spirit and applies to individual ticks) and no one uses it. Each jab tick, sun fire tick, burning light tick, etc. does 700 more damage, 1,030 with draugrkin's grip.

Warden just got an extra free 1600 weapon/spell damage and 20% crit damage from major brittle.

The only classes underwhelming I'd argue are maybe Necromancer and Nightblade in terms of class masteries, from a DPS perspective.

Played DK before the rework and disagree completely that it was "lagging behind." Certainly nowhere near necro, arcanist, and templar.

Also, keep in mind we are talking about PvP not PvE.

No one is using the templar passive because pure class templar is inferior to subclassed one in every single way besides pointless damage increases with no sustain. No one cares about huge tooltip numbers without any substance behind them.

Lastly, if it were so great, where are all the damage templars in PvP? Can't find even one that isn't holding block. If I can even find that.

Oh and templar will lose minor sorcery soon making it even more garbage.

Luneca · July 13

Militan1404 wrote: »

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

If you think only DK and WW are viable right now you aren't paying attention. The gap between classes is arguably less than what it was before the DK rework first started, and let's not forget, DK got reworked first because it's been lagging behind for years.

Sorc is extremely viable right now. It's Class Mastery passives gave it insane boosts.

Templar literally got a free flat 700/tick bonus damage passive (which all flat damage bypasses battle spirit and applies to individual ticks) and no one uses it. Each jab tick, sun fire tick, burning light tick, etc. does 700 more damage, 1,030 with draugrkin's grip.

Warden just got an extra free 1600 weapon/spell damage and 20% crit damage from major brittle.

The only classes underwhelming I'd argue are maybe Necromancer and Nightblade in terms of class masteries, from a DPS perspective.

Are you sure judgement brand bypasses battle spirit? I heard it dosent.

Edit. tryed it now, and seems to only increase slightly 350 in dmg that is not really that good. And no templars damage is still bad even with 3 dmg sets, on a dk, sorc and ww i can do insaine dmg and not even build for it and be extremely tanky at the same time. On a templar tho you could either go full glass canon and do medicore dmg or be extremely tanky and do zero dmg. So stop spreading misinformation that classes are almost equal becouse they are not even close.

It's in the literal patch notes that it is halved. They must not be talking about PvP ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8485121/#Comment_8485121

Judgment’s Brand: This passive upgrades rank 2 of Burning Light to increase your damage done with Templar abilities by 1400 (700 against players) for 3.1 seconds after activating.

Usureki · July 13

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

If you think only DK and WW are viable right now you aren't paying attention. The gap between classes is arguably less than what it was before the DK rework first started, and let's not forget, DK got reworked first because it's been lagging behind for years.

Sorc is extremely viable right now. It's Class Mastery passives gave it insane boosts.

Templar literally got a free flat 700/tick bonus damage passive (which all flat damage bypasses battle spirit and applies to individual ticks) and no one uses it. Each jab tick, sun fire tick, burning light tick, etc. does 700 more damage, 1,030 with draugrkin's grip.

Warden just got an extra free 1600 weapon/spell damage and 20% crit damage from major brittle.

The only classes underwhelming I'd argue are maybe Necromancer and Nightblade in terms of class masteries, from a DPS perspective.

Funny how you do not even mention Arcanist. Your reasoning is quite faulty and completely disregards that OP was talking about PvP. You can list all the good-on-paper details of Class Masteries you think are "great" but it does not change the fact that 5 out of 7 classes are currently totally garbage compared to the top 3. If this three variation satisfies you, then yay for you, you are easy to please. I think it's dog poo and a sad joke that needs some serious attention from the developers.

Militan1404 · July 13

Luneca wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

If you think only DK and WW are viable right now you aren't paying attention. The gap between classes is arguably less than what it was before the DK rework first started, and let's not forget, DK got reworked first because it's been lagging behind for years.

Sorc is extremely viable right now. It's Class Mastery passives gave it insane boosts.

Templar literally got a free flat 700/tick bonus damage passive (which all flat damage bypasses battle spirit and applies to individual ticks) and no one uses it. Each jab tick, sun fire tick, burning light tick, etc. does 700 more damage, 1,030 with draugrkin's grip.

Warden just got an extra free 1600 weapon/spell damage and 20% crit damage from major brittle.

The only classes underwhelming I'd argue are maybe Necromancer and Nightblade in terms of class masteries, from a DPS perspective.

Are you sure judgement brand bypasses battle spirit? I heard it dosent.

Edit. tryed it now, and seems to only increase slightly 350 in dmg that is not really that good. And no templars damage is still bad even with 3 dmg sets, on a dk, sorc and ww i can do insaine dmg and not even build for it and be extremely tanky at the same time. On a templar tho you could either go full glass canon and do medicore dmg or be extremely tanky and do zero dmg. So stop spreading misinformation that classes are almost equal becouse they are not even close.

It's in the literal patch notes that it is halved. They must not be talking about PvP ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8485121/#Comment_8485121

Judgment’s Brand: This passive upgrades rank 2 of Burning Light to increase your damage done with Templar abilities by 1400 (700 against players) for 3.1 seconds after activating.

I know its halved, but its get halved again from battle spirit that makes it only 350 extra dmg. Yeah tought he ment pvp since he was implaying that judgment brand with draugkin did 1030 extra dmg in battle spirit when in reality it does only 700 extra dmg if i am correct.

ItsNotLiving · July 13

If warden doesn’t happen in u51 I'm going to have to not play this game anymore. Not waiting until 2043 just to play Templar or Warden.

IZZEFlameLash · 1:39AM

Militan1404 wrote: »

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

If you think only DK and WW are viable right now you aren't paying attention. The gap between classes is arguably less than what it was before the DK rework first started, and let's not forget, DK got reworked first because it's been lagging behind for years.

Sorc is extremely viable right now. It's Class Mastery passives gave it insane boosts.

Templar literally got a free flat 700/tick bonus damage passive (which all flat damage bypasses battle spirit and applies to individual ticks) and no one uses it. Each jab tick, sun fire tick, burning light tick, etc. does 700 more damage, 1,030 with draugrkin's grip.

Warden just got an extra free 1600 weapon/spell damage and 20% crit damage from major brittle.

The only classes underwhelming I'd argue are maybe Necromancer and Nightblade in terms of class masteries, from a DPS perspective.

Are you sure judgement brand bypasses battle spirit? I heard it dosent.

Edit. tryed it now, and seems to only increase slightly 350 in dmg that is not really that good. And no templars damage is still bad even with 3 dmg sets, on a dk, sorc and ww i can do insaine dmg and not even build for it and be extremely tanky at the same time. On a templar tho you could either go full glass canon and do medicore dmg or be extremely tanky and do zero dmg. So stop spreading misinformation that classes are almost equal becouse they are not even close.

Had been the song and dance for the Templar for years. I am also sort of afraid that the rework will just transform the Templar into mostly healing and tanking. Given their decision to give armor buff for the next proposed combat change.

gammelscroll · 2:49PM

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

If warden doesn’t happen in u51 I'm going to have to not play this game anymore. Not waiting until 2043 just to play Templar or Warden.

More like 2067

VinnyGambini · 6:52PM

Militan1404 wrote: »

Luneca wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

If you think only DK and WW are viable right now you aren't paying attention. The gap between classes is arguably less than what it was before the DK rework first started, and let's not forget, DK got reworked first because it's been lagging behind for years.

Sorc is extremely viable right now. It's Class Mastery passives gave it insane boosts.

Templar literally got a free flat 700/tick bonus damage passive (which all flat damage bypasses battle spirit and applies to individual ticks) and no one uses it. Each jab tick, sun fire tick, burning light tick, etc. does 700 more damage, 1,030 with draugrkin's grip.

Warden just got an extra free 1600 weapon/spell damage and 20% crit damage from major brittle.

The only classes underwhelming I'd argue are maybe Necromancer and Nightblade in terms of class masteries, from a DPS perspective.

Are you sure judgement brand bypasses battle spirit? I heard it dosent.

Edit. tryed it now, and seems to only increase slightly 350 in dmg that is not really that good. And no templars damage is still bad even with 3 dmg sets, on a dk, sorc and ww i can do insaine dmg and not even build for it and be extremely tanky at the same time. On a templar tho you could either go full glass canon and do medicore dmg or be extremely tanky and do zero dmg. So stop spreading misinformation that classes are almost equal becouse they are not even close.

It's in the literal patch notes that it is halved. They must not be talking about PvP ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8485121/#Comment_8485121

Judgment’s Brand: This passive upgrades rank 2 of Burning Light to increase your damage done with Templar abilities by 1400 (700 against players) for 3.1 seconds after activating.

I know its halved, but its get halved again from battle spirit that makes it only 350 extra dmg. Yeah tought he ment pvp since he was implaying that judgment brand with draugkin did 1030 extra dmg in battle spirit when in reality it does only 700 extra dmg if i am correct.

Well, you are NOT correct. In reality it increases dmg by 700 x 0,45 = 315. Draugkin increases by 333 x 0,45 = 150. So it's 465 maximum. Choosing different passive that gives you 600 spell dmg + oakfathers or essence thief will give you more dmg.

In summary judgement brand is absolutely not worth in PvP. PvE glass cannon is ok.

Militan1404 · 7:33PM

VinnyGambini wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

Luneca wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

If you think only DK and WW are viable right now you aren't paying attention. The gap between classes is arguably less than what it was before the DK rework first started, and let's not forget, DK got reworked first because it's been lagging behind for years.

Sorc is extremely viable right now. It's Class Mastery passives gave it insane boosts.

Templar literally got a free flat 700/tick bonus damage passive (which all flat damage bypasses battle spirit and applies to individual ticks) and no one uses it. Each jab tick, sun fire tick, burning light tick, etc. does 700 more damage, 1,030 with draugrkin's grip.

Warden just got an extra free 1600 weapon/spell damage and 20% crit damage from major brittle.

The only classes underwhelming I'd argue are maybe Necromancer and Nightblade in terms of class masteries, from a DPS perspective.

Are you sure judgement brand bypasses battle spirit? I heard it dosent.

Edit. tryed it now, and seems to only increase slightly 350 in dmg that is not really that good. And no templars damage is still bad even with 3 dmg sets, on a dk, sorc and ww i can do insaine dmg and not even build for it and be extremely tanky at the same time. On a templar tho you could either go full glass canon and do medicore dmg or be extremely tanky and do zero dmg. So stop spreading misinformation that classes are almost equal becouse they are not even close.

It's in the literal patch notes that it is halved. They must not be talking about PvP ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8485121/#Comment_8485121

Judgment’s Brand: This passive upgrades rank 2 of Burning Light to increase your damage done with Templar abilities by 1400 (700 against players) for 3.1 seconds after activating.

I know its halved, but its get halved again from battle spirit that makes it only 350 extra dmg. Yeah tought he ment pvp since he was implaying that judgment brand with draugkin did 1030 extra dmg in battle spirit when in reality it does only 700 extra dmg if i am correct.

Well, you are NOT correct. In reality it increases dmg by 700 x 0,45 = 315. Draugkin increases by 333 x 0,45 = 150. So it's 465 maximum. Choosing different passive that gives you 600 spell dmg + oakfathers or essence thief will give you more dmg.

In summary judgement brand is absolutely not worth in PvP. PvE glass cannon is ok.

Yeah pulled my numbers from my ass there, but but my point was that its does next to nothing in PVP. And even if your buildt for it its not just worth it