What a joke of a balance update patch

hoangdz · June 29

Wuuffyy wrote: »

hoangdz wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

hoangdz wrote: »

Reminder that WW is overperforming!

Reminder that DK and most likely warden is ‘overperforming’! Also yet another shameless bump!

I hope to see you, @React, and @Pelican doing this when Warden is out. Like ALL of the effort please and thank you!

Pretty sure I did the same thing when DK patch first rolled out. You can rest assured knowing that Warden, Sorc (my main), and the remaining classes will get the same treatment if they overperform.

Can I see? I would actually like to- thanks!

I think you’ve made over 100-200 posts/comments for ‘nerf werewolf’. If you did that for DK then sure… but I honestly don’t see how this would compete personally.

As seen from the screenshot, starting from U49 until U50, I have made 6 DK nerf threads, 1 Sorc nerf thread, and 1 WW nerf thread. The total number of comments in those DK threads alone more than double that in this one, and not counting extra comments on other people's threads.

So no, my WW nerf comments don’t compete at all. In hindsight, I probably should make more of them because there aren't enough lol.

hoangdz · July 6

Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.

BardokRedSnow · July 6

Wuuffyy wrote: »

I think you’ve made over 100-200 posts/comments for ‘nerf werewolf’. If you did that for DK then sure… but I honestly don’t see how this would compete personally.

Oh believe me, he did lmao, he was in the trenches calling for DK nerfs since the pts was released. Agree or not (I dont agree) he is consistent.

Radiate77 · July 6

hoangdz wrote: »

Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.

I’m giving them time to grieve, but if we get U51 PTS and Warden isn’t a part of it, we will have no choice.

BardokRedSnow · July 6

hoangdz wrote: »

Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.

Too early to say this, we dont necessarily know that A. The people it affected worked on pvp or the refresh effort or what they contributed specifically and B. If they will be unable to carry on their work in the future.

Im not gonna speculate on that too much as I imagine it wont go well for a discussion but until I see that roadmap of theirs and how its changed or something more concrete I think its too early for doom and gloom.

Wuuffyy · July 6

@hoangdz - most of your ‘nerf werewolf’ comments are comments. I suppose my confusion there is simply that you have bumped this one thread so many times it seems almost everlasting (and hence I am always seeing a ‘nerf werewolf’ thread).

Anyways, I agree. Let’s see what the future has in store for ESO as it pertains to class reworks but if there is a significant delay beyond warden, then a tone up (with wolf-exclusive/exclusion) for masteries or a tone down of the clearly-set rework level would be needed to have the game and its balance appear in a somewhat reasonable/polished state.

Again, balance aside- my heart is with former and current ZOS employees dealing with this drastic shift in workforce. I hope they take the time needed to properly sort this out and determine the best next steps.

Luneca · July 7

Well if balance stays the same way, I'll just do something else with my time. I actually read books in between firing siege anyway. Don't tell anyone.

With how unstable the client and servers are, the terrible balance, and getting stuck in queue position #0 after an hour of waiting (spoiler: that means you won't get in and sometimes can't even requeue on the same character until the server resets), it means that there's every reason not to bother.

PvE...I'll go run around on Vestige using the roll button more and pretend it's fun and get mediocre rewards per unit time spent, esp. because the classes that I use suck there too.

I'll still fire siege but nowhere near as much as i would if the game were balanced. Wait, unless ZOS buff siege. Yes. If they buff siege, I'll definitely fire it even harder.

evLRise · July 7

hoangdz wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

I honestly have seen way more DKs and Sorcs dominating BGs than WW and I've been spamming the ball event.

They can't even pick up the ball though due to a bug.

A good WW will 1v2 a DK and Sorc, it's not even close. The only reason you haven't seen way more WWs is because not many people want to play 1-bar builds, but that doesn't mean the spec isnt' busted.

I can win 1v1 vs WWs that don't build into full tankiness on my DK. I won every 2v2 against WWs in cyro. WW in itself is not that problematic. The problem is how much the sorc class masteries enable a WW build.

If a WW notices I'm pressing corrosive, knowing that I don't have a guaranteed stun without the fossilize leap combo, he can genuinely hold down block and just spam burst heals for the entire 10s duration of my ult.

A major factor of WW's success in PvP is that it leaves very little room for error due to very low complexity.

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Stop nerfing our characters over GH. All they want is more dps. They will do anything to say dps caps are bad. Its always going to be something. Every time, that same old song, "Nerf this, nerf that", One days its, "Warden Charm ruining PvP", then its "DK ruining PvP", then it's, "Pulse gankers ruining PvP". It never ends. The Class mastery passives are saving the game. There is more balance and variety we have had in over a year with the Arcanist laser show. Stop catering to the same people, its been going on for over a decade and its the reason PvP is so broken now.

Arcanist, Templar and Nightblade are genuinely unplayable in PvP right now.

The PvE situation is literally the same, except the classes that are good at PvP are awful at PvE. I fail to see how class masteries saved the game since it's 90% necro DDs in PvE, 99% DKs, Sorcs and WWs in PvP.

I can also say "Stop nerfing our characters over PvE. All they want is more dps. Every time nerf Relentless Focus weapon damage buff, nerf Azureblight, nerf Shimmering Frenzy, nerf Molten Armor / Corrosive." It never ends, doesn't it?

Lekjih · July 7

I've been BGing my way through veterancy. You know what's overperforming? Sorcs. Those glorious [redacted] will three shot you from 28 metres away even with the signet nerf. I can kill werewolves. DKs are reworked so I don't count them as overperforming. Sorcs haven't been reworked yet and boom dead. Oh look it's- boom dead. Head on a swivel, roll dodge, roll dodge, I'm in range! Fear! Huntsman mark! Rip and Tear! Holy Hircine he's nearly killed me and he's only half health.

Wuuffyy wrote: »

hoangdz wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

hoangdz wrote: »

Reminder that WW is overperforming!

Anyways, yippee no more Signet so at the least that’s a chunk gone. Mythic still needs to be less viable for wolf in PvE but I’ll take what I can get. As long as it’s comparable to something with significant drawbacks like Huntsman or Selene’s then it can be OK.

Why? It should be viable to use. Werewolf should be playable. There's places where signet will pull you out of ww because lack of adds. It doesn't need to be any less viable than that.

IZZEFlameLash · July 7

Lekjih wrote: »

I've been BGing my way through veterancy. You know what's overperforming? Sorcs. Those glorious [redacted] will three shot you from 28 metres away even with the signet nerf. I can kill werewolves. DKs are reworked so I don't count them as overperforming. Sorcs haven't been reworked yet and boom dead. Oh look it's- boom dead. Head on a swivel, roll dodge, roll dodge, I'm in range! Fear! Huntsman mark! Rip and Tear! Holy Hircine he's nearly killed me and he's only half health.

Meta Sorc builds do melt things hard right now with the true infinite sustain and shieldings. And they run away better than any for sure.

Firstmep · July 7

Eveb if reworks are massively delayed, a lot of issues could be solved on the pvp balance front with some number crunching for the time being, like making some of their weaker masteries stronger, toning down dk damage and sustain etc.