SUPRISE ! People dont like VENGEANCE

Frayton · June 27

reazea wrote: »

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

I dont belive those bars or leaderboards mean anything. I have been playing and my Guilds have been playing Vengeance since it has been added in U50. Some people have not committed to the campaigns/home campaign for leaderboard but are still playing. I didn't even do it myself for half of the first week. If Blackreach is a popular as people are suggesting, then why is the wait time not hours? And its usually dead in there.

Image what cross platform would do to the GH que. Or how it will affect the performance which already cant be fixed and is an issue right now with GH. How would anyone really intend on merging three platforms and that kind of population into the size of GH?

Vengeance is good. My Guilds are playing PvP again because of it. They will not play GH and BG anymore. Or Blackreach. Its fair PvP. People cant hide behind builds and exploit with mythics. The combat in GH and BG is out of control. And still, people are calling for more dps. And nerfs to healers and tanks which is exactly the same thing.

As we play more Vengeance (and we will be) I will write to Zos and give them additional good honest feedback concerning it. It is far more enjoyable, far more fair, far more acceptable to the majority of the entire player base and not just GH people.

Why has such a small pond of GH players been allowed to constantly get out characters nerfed every other patch for over a decade? People are tired of it. Just like theyre trying again right now with the DK and Werewolf. It needs to stop.

Zos has already said GH cannot be fixed. They did try. Like it or not, Vengeance is the future. And the game will be better for it in the long run. I am saying that as an 11 year Eso Vet.

ZOS also repeatedly insisted vengeance was just a test to learn how to improve Grey Host.

Sorry, but you either haven't been around in this game and forum very long or you're being deliberately obtuse.

ZOS' job is to fix the game we purchased. Not try to force some new system essentially nobody likes and has no connection to other parts of ESO what so ever. Template toons are for PvE games.

I don't even PvP anymore and hadn't played ESO in a long time before returning, but even I know Vengeance was always for testing just by reading what ZOS said.

It seems to be less popular than the no proc campaign.

amiiegee · June 29

Zos should just work on GH again, the original game mode and btw a big motivation to even buy ESO in the first place for a lot of players.
Instead of trying to sell us a game mode with training wheels or makes us test stuff, like this was a beta game and not a 12 years old.

STOMP Vengeance and work on fixing the game, should it be!

barney2525 · June 29

blktauna wrote: »

@ bars of EP and 2 bars of AD are not empty...

AD is in Cyradil? Then how come it takes days for me to find an opening to just do the tutorial on a new character? Usually AD is down to the last 2 gates, and now there are only 3 options to get into the game.

JustLovely · June 29

amiiegee wrote: »

Zos should just work on GH again, the original game mode and btw a big motivation to even buy ESO in the first place for a lot of players.
Instead of trying to sell us a game mode with training wheels or makes us test stuff, like this was a beta game and not a 12 years old.

STOMP Vengeance and work on fixing the game, should it be!

Seconded!

ioResult · June 29

JustLovely wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

Zos should just work on GH again, the original game mode and btw a big motivation to even buy ESO in the first place for a lot of players.
Instead of trying to sell us a game mode with training wheels or makes us test stuff, like this was a beta game and not a 12 years old.

STOMP Vengeance and work on fixing the game, should it be!

Seconded!

How is it so difficult for you people to understand that Vengeance is ZOS working on GH?

GH doesn't work well with the latest features ZOS introduced, namely scribing and subclassing. We all know this.

Lag, near zero frame rates, skills not going off when buttons pressed, slingshotting around, sound cutting out.

ALL of these are due to too many server side checks being necessary inside a global cooldown. The server can't handle them.

Combat changes in Vengeance - namely far fewer AoEs - are meant to test how to stop all the things you hate in Gray Host but try to get closer to the current unwieldy combat system that you like.

If you don't play any Vengeance then they can't "fix" Gray Host. One depends on the other. This shouldn't be so hard to grasp.

JustLovely · June 29

amiiegee wrote: »

Zos should just work on GH again, the original game mode and btw a big motivation to even buy ESO in the first place for a lot of players.
Instead of trying to sell us a game mode with training wheels or makes us test stuff, like this was a beta game and not a 12 years old.

STOMP Vengeance and work on fixing the game, should it be!

Seconded!

ioResult wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

Zos should just work on GH again, the original game mode and btw a big motivation to even buy ESO in the first place for a lot of players.
Instead of trying to sell us a game mode with training wheels or makes us test stuff, like this was a beta game and not a 12 years old.

STOMP Vengeance and work on fixing the game, should it be!

Seconded!

How is it so difficult for you people to understand that Vengeance is ZOS working on GH?

GH doesn't work well with the latest features ZOS introduced, namely scribing and subclassing. We all know this.

Lag, near zero frame rates, skills not going off when buttons pressed, slingshotting around, sound cutting out.

ALL of these are due to too many server side checks being necessary inside a global cooldown. The server can't handle them.

Combat changes in Vengeance - namely far fewer AoEs - are meant to test how to stop all the things you hate in Gray Host but try to get closer to the current unwieldy combat system that you like.

If you don't play any Vengeance then they can't "fix" Gray Host. One depends on the other. This shouldn't be so hard to grasp.

Because in the real world vengeance is ZOS avoiding working on Grey Host.

amiiegee · June 29

^

And this is not acceptable

BardokRedSnow · June 29

Sunday in PCNA it was empty while GH was locked by 2pm, I even went around the keeps to see, ran outside, it was a ghost town

Dunno when vengeance allegedly hits its stride but its not close to Greyhost's at all.

fizzybeef · July 1

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Sunday in PCNA it was empty while GH was locked by 2pm, I even went around the keeps to see, ran outside, it was a ghost town

Dunno when vengeance allegedly hits its stride but its not close to Greyhost's at all.

I have not seen a single bar in vengeance ever and never have whitnessed great pvp activity in it for once.
Dead on arrival

JohnRingo · July 1

fizzybeef wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Sunday in PCNA it was empty while GH was locked by 2pm, I even went around the keeps to see, ran outside, it was a ghost town

Dunno when vengeance allegedly hits its stride but its not close to Greyhost's at all.

I have not seen a single bar in vengeance ever and never have whitnessed great pvp activity in it for once.
Dead on arrival

And it was all predictable (and predicted). Just a bunch of PVE drive by shooters that hate PvP who opportunistically sabotaged the Vengeance test feedback. Now they are back in PVE land and Vengeance is RIP.

Usureki · July 1

I mean Vengance is interesting an all, but the current state is very lame. Most of the NPCs are hollow empty stuff as no gear is available in Vengance mode, I spawned in without one handed weapons and shield and found no way to actually get a hold of anything, I've left after 5 minutes regardless of playing Vengance the previous time it was launched and I kinda liked the new balance approach (regardless the fact that I find it very bad that all the mundus, the gear, the CP, kinda everything I worked for with my character gets nulled coz ZOS just abandoned the past decade of content for Vengance, "the future of PvP")

ToddIngram · July 1

JustLovely wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

Zos should just work on GH again, the original game mode and btw a big motivation to even buy ESO in the first place for a lot of players.
Instead of trying to sell us a game mode with training wheels or makes us test stuff, like this was a beta game and not a 12 years old.

STOMP Vengeance and work on fixing the game, should it be!

Seconded!

ioResult wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

Zos should just work on GH again, the original game mode and btw a big motivation to even buy ESO in the first place for a lot of players.
Instead of trying to sell us a game mode with training wheels or makes us test stuff, like this was a beta game and not a 12 years old.

STOMP Vengeance and work on fixing the game, should it be!

Seconded!

How is it so difficult for you people to understand that Vengeance is ZOS working on GH?

GH doesn't work well with the latest features ZOS introduced, namely scribing and subclassing. We all know this.

Lag, near zero frame rates, skills not going off when buttons pressed, slingshotting around, sound cutting out.

ALL of these are due to too many server side checks being necessary inside a global cooldown. The server can't handle them.

Combat changes in Vengeance - namely far fewer AoEs - are meant to test how to stop all the things you hate in Gray Host but try to get closer to the current unwieldy combat system that you like.

If you don't play any Vengeance then they can't "fix" Gray Host. One depends on the other. This shouldn't be so hard to grasp.

Because in the real world vengeance is ZOS avoiding working on Grey Host.

People aren't understanding that vengeance is ZOS NOT doing their jobs and what they committed to for over a decade, which is to fix Grey Host performance. It's not unreasonable for us to expect ZOS to do what they've told us for a decade they've been doing.

ceruulean · July 1

I find it interesting that people zone into Vengeance and then leave because they think it's too empty. It would be better if you stayed, then it wouldn't be "empty" because it's not the usual crowd of people you're used to. Y'all would rather wait 1 hour queue in GH only to get gated by a DC ball-group because PvP balance is so bad that no normal people want to play it? Meanwhile if you spent 1 hour in Vengeance you'd find a few friends in zone chat. Anyway, Vengeance is about as alive as Blackreach so it's not dead, but if you prefer playing your WW, Sorc, or DK in Greyhost and see any other class or playstyle fold to them instantly, which makes you feel good, then feel free to stay in GH.

alternatelder · July 1

fizzybeef wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Sunday in PCNA it was empty while GH was locked by 2pm, I even went around the keeps to see, ran outside, it was a ghost town

Dunno when vengeance allegedly hits its stride but its not close to Greyhost's at all.

I have not seen a single bar in vengeance ever and never have whitnessed great pvp activity in it for once.
Dead on arrival

No vids or photos once again. Only a vague SS once in a while of the population at the alleged time and/or during the middle of the work week. When will people remember that a full bar in Vengeance is nearly the entire pop cap of GH?

ztomas1 · July 1

Somebody doesn't know how to spell SURPRISE 😂😂😂

Thalmar · July 1

Everyone talks for themselves... There are many people who likes and attends Vengeance, not as hardcore as Gray Host folk but casually and more easy going, having fun way to play.

I do not want to be the devil's advocate but I think if we consider the last one year, the only thing ZOS did good is adding Vengeance. The last year all focus went to make big guilds happy, cater to hardcore players and adding more and more group content, finally casual players get a pvp place to enjoy with like minded people.

I liked Cyrodiil from start, but the last years it become unplayable not only technical way but because of the big guilds, ball groups domination, it is simply not fun anymore.

Every single Vengeance post, vandalized by Gray Host defenders who are so scared their precious playground will be replaced by Vengeance for casual gamers. I see always the same people jumps in and talks about how Vengeace is bad admittedly they never set foot in it. You people do not like Vengeance and many others do not like Gray Host, that is so simple to grasp.

Leave people alone in Vengeance, stop checking bars and numbers, it does not important who plays or likes more which one of it. There are lots of us who likes and play Vengeance and having fun, play in your ball group, 0 fps, laggy Gray Host and stay away from Vengance, problem solved.

ceruulean · July 1

Last day of Gray Host campaign score:

DC: 105k
EP: 81k
AD: 80k

1st place faction has a 25% lead to 2nd place. I have no idea what happened, but according to forums DC had a ballgroup that kept the other alliances hostage.

Last day of Vengeance campaign:

DC: 76k
EP: 74k
AD: 63k

In the beginning EP started with an 8k point lead, and had 2 bars pop at times while everyone else was 1 bar. There were more dedicated players on DC who kept the map controlled and persisted despite being outnumbered. In the last week, when scores were neck to neck, people bandwagoned off EP onto DC. I guess people who enjoy PvP get rewarded for their efforts?

MorallyBipolar · July 1

Thalmar wrote: »

Everyone talks for themselves... There are many people who likes and attends Vengeance, not as hardcore as Gray Host folk but casually and more easy going, having fun way to play.

I do not want to be the devil's advocate but I think if we consider the last one year, the only thing ZOS did good is adding Vengeance. The last year all focus went to make big guilds happy, cater to hardcore players and adding more and more group content, finally casual players get a pvp place to enjoy with like minded people.

I liked Cyrodiil from start, but the last years it become unplayable not only technical way but because of the big guilds, ball groups domination, it is simply not fun anymore.

Every single Vengeance post, vandalized by Gray Host defenders who are so scared their precious playground will be replaced by Vengeance for casual gamers. I see always the same people jumps in and talks about how Vengeace is bad admittedly they never set foot in it. You people do not like Vengeance and many others do not like Gray Host, that is so simple to grasp.

Leave people alone in Vengeance, stop checking bars and numbers, it does not important who plays or likes more which one of it. There are lots of us who likes and play Vengeance and having fun, play in your ball group, 0 fps, laggy Gray Host and stay away from Vengance, problem solved.

Vengeance is the second worst thing ZOS has added to the game since release, second only to ToT.

Vengeance is a betrayal of the PvP community that were coerced into "testing" vengeance.

MorallyBipolar · July 1

ceruulean wrote: »

Last day of Gray Host campaign score:

DC: 105k
EP: 81k
AD: 80k

1st place faction has a 25% lead to 2nd place. I have no idea what happened, but according to forums DC had a ballgroup that kept the other alliances hostage.

Last day of Vengeance campaign:

DC: 76k
EP: 74k
AD: 63k

In the beginning EP started with an 8k point lead, and had 2 bars pop at times while everyone else was 1 bar. There were more dedicated players on DC who kept the map controlled and persisted despite being outnumbered. In the last week, when scores were neck to neck, people bandwagoned off EP onto DC. I guess people who enjoy PvP get rewarded for their efforts?

That's because people caught a clue pretty quickly and went back to Grey Host. And because ZOS was considerate enough to give us Blackreach back as a waiting room for Grey Host.

Maitsukas · July 1

amiiegee wrote: »

Zos should just work on GH again, the original game mode and btw a big motivation to even buy ESO in the first place for a lot of players.
Instead of trying to sell us a game mode with training wheels or makes us test stuff, like this was a beta game and not a 12 years old.

STOMP Vengeance and work on fixing the game, should it be!

That didn't take long...

You said a different thing very recently and now it appears you are fully in the "shut down Vengeance" mode.

amiiegee wrote: »

Maitsukas wrote: »

The very vocal anti-Vengeance crowd in a nutshell:

Nobody wants you and the other people in vengeance to quit fun. Enjoy it.

Clearly you don't want the Vengeance players to have fun at all.

ioResult · July 1

JustLovely wrote: »

Because in the real world vengeance is ZOS avoiding working on Grey Host.

Wow, I really had no idea that both David Dunning and Justin Kruger played Gray Host PvP.
But I shouldn't be surprised, should I.

SneaK · July 1

Thalmar wrote: »

Everyone talks for themselves... There are many people who likes and attends Vengeance, not as hardcore as Gray Host folk but casually and more easy going, having fun way to play.

I do not want to be the devil's advocate but I think if we consider the last one year, the only thing ZOS did good is adding Vengeance. The last year all focus went to make big guilds happy, cater to hardcore players and adding more and more group content, finally casual players get a pvp place to enjoy with like minded people.

I liked Cyrodiil from start, but the last years it become unplayable not only technical way but because of the big guilds, ball groups domination, it is simply not fun anymore.

Every single Vengeance post, vandalized by Gray Host defenders who are so scared their precious playground will be replaced by Vengeance for casual gamers. I see always the same people jumps in and talks about how Vengeace is bad admittedly they never set foot in it. You people do not like Vengeance and many others do not like Gray Host, that is so simple to grasp.

Leave people alone in Vengeance, stop checking bars and numbers, it does not important who plays or likes more which one of it. There are lots of us who likes and play Vengeance and having fun, play in your ball group, 0 fps, laggy Gray Host and stay away from Vengance, problem solved.

The bolded part.. lol, goes both ways does it not? This is an anti vengeance post, hijacked by the pro template (tiny) crowd.

I’m a vengeance hater. I “tested” it. I also went in when it came live, and what I saw really just solidifies the nonsense people post. It was empty, or I guess I can’t say that, I saw one person running a scroll, one person. I stayed for about 10 minutes, the lone scroll runner was the only sighting.

And people have every right to speak up about their disdain for this nonsensical template mode in a 12 year old mmo that they’ve sunk 1000’s of dollars and hours into, no one asked for it. Vengeance was a textbook bait and switch.

Iriidius · July 2

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

“Boycotted the tests” lol it’s not a boycott if it isn’t organized, people just don’t wanna be forced to play something that is not what they chose to pay for

Nobody is forced to play Vengeance as there is enaugh capacity now after you not only kept GreyHost but also got Blackreach back. But you still try to convince everyone that vengeance is completely dead. Why would you do that if you goal isnt to discourage supporters from playing there and make ZOS close the campaign so the remaining have to play GreyHost or quit PvP. You are the ones trying to force others to play your way.

Iriidius · July 2

JohnRingo wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Sunday in PCNA it was empty while GH was locked by 2pm, I even went around the keeps to see, ran outside, it was a ghost town

Dunno when vengeance allegedly hits its stride but its not close to Greyhost's at all.

I have not seen a single bar in vengeance ever and never have whitnessed great pvp activity in it for once.
Dead on arrival

And it was all predictable (and predicted). Just a bunch of PVE drive by shooters that hate PvP who opportunistically sabotaged the Vengeance test feedback. Now they are back in PVE land and Vengeance is RIP.

The only ones „that hate PvP who opportunistically sabotaged the Vengeance test feedback“ are you. I havent seen any requests from Vengeance players to remove GreyHost or Blackreach since they added Vengeance. You didnt lost GreyHost so you instead complained about Vengeance replacing Blackreach that you didnt play anyway and the moment you get it back too you use that as another argument to demand removing Vengeance. And you belittle Vengeance defenders until they shut up.

amiiegee · July 3

Whole 14 people in the leaderboard enjoying the vengeance campaign, such a blast!

Eldovar · July 3

amiiegee wrote: »

Whole 14 people in the leaderboard enjoying the vengeance campaign, such a blast!

Maybe on the platform where people scream and shout for crossplay it's empty.

On PC EU there are 346 people in the leaderboard, and the campaign basically just started.

People can complain as much as they like, but just like all the rest of the game...vengeance won't go anywhere. (and neither will GH and BR)

Casul · July 3

Porque no los dos?

I love them both for different reasons.

Also add vengeance battlegrounds.

spartaxoxo · July 4

amiiegee wrote: »

Whole 14 people in the leaderboard enjoying the vengeance campaign, such a blast!

PSEU?

aLi3nZ · July 4

My question is - where is the damn no cp cyrodil?

It’s going to be better performance and some people like me prefer to fight in no cp only.

I usually stick to battle grounds and no cp ic because of this.

Get rid of black reach. Make 2 campaigns just like there is for imperial city.

Cp and no cp. that’s it simple.

BardokRedSnow · July 4

Iriidius wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

“Boycotted the tests” lol it’s not a boycott if it isn’t organized, people just don’t wanna be forced to play something that is not what they chose to pay for

Nobody is forced to play Vengeance as there is enaugh capacity now after you not only kept GreyHost but also got Blackreach back. But you still try to convince everyone that vengeance is completely dead. Why would you do that if you goal isnt to discourage supporters from playing there and make ZOS close the campaign so the remaining have to play GreyHost or quit PvP. You are the ones trying to force others to play your way.

Brother that post is almost two weeks old, Im not trying anything, we in Greyhost chillin n killin

That yall still trying to scrap about people saying its dead says more than I ever could.