So? Enough of Dks, sorcs, 60-70k health troll stun tanks builds running around.

Just make everyone go werewolf till vampire comes out in cyrodill and call it vengenace of the wolf campaign

I guess you haven't spent much time in Cyrodiil? It's mostly Sorcerers and Dragon Knights. People are playing Werewolf because it is new and doesn't completely suck. They'll be playing Sorcerer and Dragon Knight when they actually want to have some burst damage.

I play Werewolf exclusively. It has no burst damage. A good player on a Werewolf can tank multiple other wolves at once. Throw a Sorcerer or a Dragon Knight into that fight and it's a different story.

For now, and then the next class update comes out and pvpers start up about that.

SilverIce58 wrote: »

For now, and then the next class update comes out and pvpers start up about that.

Maybe because reworking classes 1 by 1 is dumb idea when it grants so much power using a "newer ruleset" vs the old one? Why don't we just have restaurants charge everyone a premium and then give 1/2 the people not only subpar food, but a subpar experience.

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

The only thing more constant than the sun coming up each day is PvP'ers whining about some perceived imbalance.

It isn't perceived when by every metric possible it's better. Even the supporters of the changes admit it's better than all the other unchanged classes waiting for their changes at some unknown point in a possible future. Because from what I see, it clearly isn't definite.

i also believe in IC and and Cyro for the reguular Jo player, if its not the wolves and DK's one shotting us its almost any other class anyway uness your a vet in the area

The problem is our characters keep getting nerfed over PvP. It needs to end. Play Vengeance instead if you dont like that Werewolves are killing you, but stop taking away and breaking characters people like. Such as the Werewolf. Its fine as it is.

Playerbase enjoys something new. Old man yells at cloud.

It's just the new flavor of the month. Don't worry because ZOS will kill it as soon as you come around to it and we're all enjoying it. It's what always happens because we can't have nice things.

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

The problem is our characters keep getting nerfed over PvP. It needs to end. Play Vengeance instead if you dont like that Werewolves are killing you, but stop taking away and breaking characters people like. Such as the Werewolf. Its fine as it is.

I don't think it's solely because of PvP, but I do agree that ZOS' unending buff nerf rollercoaster needs to stop. So many players have left because of it. Feels bad when your builds and progress keep getting destroyed.

Frayton wrote: »

It's just the new flavor of the month. Don't worry because ZOS will kill it as soon as you come around to it and we're all enjoying it. It's what always happens because we can't have nice things.

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

The problem is our characters keep getting nerfed over PvP. It needs to end. Play Vengeance instead if you dont like that Werewolves are killing you, but stop taking away and breaking characters people like. Such as the Werewolf. Its fine as it is.

I don't think it's solely because of PvP, but I do agree that ZOS' unending buff nerf rollercoaster needs to stop. So many players have left because of it. Feels bad when your builds and progress keep getting destroyed.

Yeah its mosly zos that is to blame that put things that are disgustingly OP in the game in the first place, and could have been avoided of they listened to the players in the public test servers. Just makes players on both side mad when they put it in the game for a couple of months and then do something about it.

It was unfair of the people running this game to do these refreshes one at time. It's why I no longer PVP or indeed play this game doing little more than the dailies.

Fix Templar Pure Class now and restore the pre-U-35 jabs and I would do more than 5 minutes of crafting for which I definitely no longer need a bag.

Who's excited for Elder Wardens Online next patch?

LunaFlora wrote: »

wolf is more fun to play than before update 50.

Not for me it isn't.
Is it better? Yes.
Can I play it the way I want to? No.
I used to play a heavy attack Werewolf. They no longer have fast heavy attacks and if I try to play that way now, I constantly lose ultimate. The healing relies too much on spamming rip and tear and the burst heal is %33 less than U49. It also relies far too much on class mastery passives.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Who's excited for Elder Wardens Online next patch?

I've been saying that since the PTS. I guarantee Warden will hit the PTS in several weeks and it'll be the same thing it was with DK and now WW.

Usureki wrote: »

The game will be a broken state until the end of 2027.

And even after then people will complain it's broken because of X or Y thing. Just like people have been complaining it's been broken for years. Are there problems, yes, of course. Numerous ones, in fact. But they're working on stuff and getting into the swing of a new release model. There is a LOT of stuff that they're working on alongside the Class reworks.

Could it be argued they did two or three Classes to start and did them in batches instead of one at a time? Perhaps. But literally none of us know the full work schedule for this year or next year. We don't know what all else might be coming that we've not been told about yet for Season Two. We don't know how much more work it would have been to try and crank out several reworks at a time. As much as it sucks, this very well might have been the most efficient way for them to go about developing content.

shadyjane62 wrote: »

It was unfair of the people running this game to do these refreshes one at time. It's why I no longer PVP or indeed play this game doing little more than the dailies.

Fix Templar Pure Class now and restore the pre-U-35 jabs and I would do more than 5 minutes of crafting for which I definitely no longer need a bag.

And here's an example too about how the playerbase won't be happy regardless of what order ZOS decided to do the refresh, even if they did do them in batches. Everyone wants the Class they main to be pushed ahead and done next. Everyone thinks X Class is objectively the worst and needs the refresh more than any other, while pointing at other Classes ahead of them claiming those Classes are objectively way better off (while all those Class mains, of course, claim THEIR Class is the one that needs the rework the most).

I don't "main" any given Class. I have a few characters I like playing with different playstyles that I pick depending on my mood. One is a DK who I'm shifting from 1bar DD to a 1bar tank/DD hybrid. One is an Oakensorc who I used to use Pets on but and moving away from that to something different. Another is a NB WW. The main character I do general stuff like questing, Events, and is my crafter is a 2bar Templar Vamp healer. Am I looking forward to when Templar, Nightblade, and Sorc get their reworks? Of course I am. But at the same time I understand that a) we can't always get what we want when we want it and as such, b) as much as it sucks, sometimes the only thing we can do IS be patient.

And to get ahead of the people saying or wanting to say "people/I will quit the game over the wait", why does it need to be quitting instead of taking a break for a while if you're genuinely so unhappy with the game? There's nothing wrong with stepping away from a game for a month or two or even six or seven. Plenty of people who've left the game have come back with X or Y addition to the game, and that's something people should keep in mind:

This is game with thousands and thousands and thousands of players. What 5k people hate and might quit or take an extended break over, 5k who took a break or stopped playing could come back because of it. Look at Subclassing, there are a lot of people who hate it and think it's ruined the game, there are a lot of people who really enjoy it and it brought them back and is something that lets them enjoy the game again. People will really like any given addition, people will really hate any given addition.

God, these posts are endless. Everyone keeps coming up with this original and groundbreaking post for every rework and will continue doing so for the rest of the reworks. Enough. Stop. We get it. The WWs are killing you. Before that it was the over performing DKs. Next it'll be the atrociously balanced warden. Enough already

Apollosipod wrote: »

God, these posts are endless. Everyone keeps coming up with this original and groundbreaking post for every rework and will continue doing so for the rest of the reworks. Enough. Stop. We get it. The WWs are killing you. Before that it was the over performing DKs. Next it'll be the atrociously balanced warden. Enough already

Man comes to the forum and complains there are letters.