Good luck trying to convince some people that status effects aren´t overperforming. People act like it´s something "new" because of Shattered Path Signet (SPS), but the fact is that status effect as a damage source has been overperforming for years, long before SPS was even in the development stage. SPS just made an overperforming damage source even more overtuned. I remember as far back as Morrowind patch how overtuned certain status effect setups could be in PvP, just wasn´t as common back then as it is now. Even in PvE there has been patches were it´s been objectively too strong, so it´s not a unique issue for PvP.

Status effects needs a serious rework. It shouldn´t outperform class-/skill specific DoTs and act as a "free proc set" the way it currently does. Personally think damage should be removed completely (or severely reduced) for all status effects and instead have them provide utility such as "boost X damage source" or have things like old minor mangle (hemorrhage status effect) attached to them.

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Or perhaps because of the signet people are stacking status effects instead of maximising direct damage?

At one point I made a pressure build, stacking dots. Nothing big individually, but the point was to support our brawlers from a distance. Some in my team started to comment that they lose kills because my dots are always rolling. Pretty sure in the enemies' death recap were 1-2 damages from our brawlers and the rest were my dots.

So yeah, when players stack dots, your death recap shows a lot of dots.
When players stack status effects, your death recap shows a lot of status effects.
When players have a delayed burst combo, your death recap shows all of them hitting within a second.

The thing with this is it would be okay if one of my deaths recaps every now and then was all status effects because someone made a specific DOT / Status Effect build. But it's not every now and then, it's literally every death recap. This seems to indicate that the majority of players are doing their damage through status effects. And if the majority of players are doing this then it indicates that status effects are over performing.

Most direct damage can be dodged or blocked. Once you have a status effects on you there is no counter play. You cannot block or dodge it's damage. The only solution is to either have a healer on your team who can cleanse you or to run a cleanse yourself.

But even cleansing doesn't solve it, as you could spent a bunch of resources cleansing the status effects, only to be hit with 3-4 more 1 second later making the cleanse a waste of time while in combat.

It's made worse by the fact that Status Effects stack, so if multiple players are hitting you with them then you're health drains incredibly quickly.

The skill "Vigor" used to be a heal. It's not a heal anymore, it's a skill that makes your health decrease slightly slower than before.

If you're a build that relies on healing in combat through skills like Crit Surge or Siphoning Strikes then a lot of the time as soon as you're out of combat you just die from the number of status effects stacked on you.

I think there's many issues with PvP at the moment but it's clear Status Effects are more impactful than they should be.

I like that status effects are stronger, but they seem even more generic in some ways. I wish stuff like Burning, Hemorrhage, and Poison were the only ones that did damage. Having them all do damage by default is a bit much, imo, and turns them from neat extra debuffs to primarily being another source of damage with an extra effect tacked on.

What if Warden was the only one whose Chill application did damage, and Sorcerer was the only one whose Concussion did damage?

Like golly gee, we added a bunch of damage to very accessible procs and now there's too much damage flying around from said procs. To be fair, status effects needed a bit of bump, and part of the current issue is ZOS buffing status effects without dealing with everything that buffed status effects when they were weaker + the mythic. They major/minored status effects is what they did. Now they're all boring and generic.

Ideally we'd get some actual differentiation between status effects, like Flame being the dedicated DoT stack application status effect, Concussion adding extra damage taken to the next direct damage attack taken, etc. Something that's actually engaging instead of /gently touches my enemy and their debuff bar explodes with every status effect known to man. But we're probably never getting that, so I'd settle for dealing with the status effect mythic, trimming down some sets, and goodness gracious why is Elemental Susceptibility still free to cast, then see how things settle. Maybe reduce damage and/or durations a tiny bit if that still doesn't work.

I think what is even funnier is that sometimes the last 5 incoming damage line is not even enough to detail what the cause of death was at all, since with the status effect meta ppl re stacking even more

This has gotten really bad now. Seems like the majority of players have figured out that Status Effects are broken. Usually 2-3 players per team in every BG lobby with the Status Effect LA spam build that does like 20k in 2 LAs.

Battlegrounds teams are now entirely dominated by Status Effect spam. And if you deny this I genuinely don't believe that you actually play Battlegrounds.