U50 Antiquity Leads

Gabriel_H · June 20

So, U50 added 5 furnishings from Antiquity Leads. 4 single pieces and a multi-piece being 9 leads in total. I'm currently camping the a WB in Glenumbra for one of these leads. I've killed it 3 times and so far no lead.

Since Gold Road, ZOS have had a ~100% chance on a 1st iteration lead dropping from source on first attempt. Yet, I'm now on kill 3 and no lead. In addition, I did a Heist, that also resulted in no lead. So that leaves 3 possibilities:

My information on source is wrong (highly unlikely)
Antiquity Leads are not Live yet (Other's have got some)
ZOS changed the drop rate

So, let me get this right. After years of us complaining about lead drop rates, ZOS decides to revert to an older (worse) drop rate ... Why?

There is a vast difference between a grind and outright wasting player's time. An excessive grind can turn into the latter, but having to stand around for 5 minutes waiting for a boss to respawn over and over is outright wasting player's time.

I'm going to keep this civil, but I'd very much like to hear ZOS' thinking on this. After which, I cannot promise my tone will remain quite so measured.

OK. So I think I know what ZOS have done. They have indeed removed the ~100% chance on 1st iteration, but they have massively increased the drop rate overall. @ZOS, you really need to communicate these changes to players. It helps us plan how we spend our time.

If I am right and it's a boost to drop rates overall, great but you need to tell us, and you need to fix the older antiquity drop rates to bring them inline. Especially 2nd iteration and above, and especially on treasure maps.

Why not simply publish the drop rates? It's not commercially sensitive and would go a long way to appeasing the concerns of the dedicated codex community.

ESO_player123 · June 20

Well, if you want to talk about wasting players' time, all you need to do is look at drop rates for the new Summerset and Glenumbra furnishing plans.

Lucifer_Sam · June 20

Have you looked at this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/691366/update-50-antiquity-leads-sources/p1

Gabriel_H · June 20

Lucifer_Sam wrote: »

Have you looked at this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/691366/update-50-antiquity-leads-sources/p1

Why would I need to?

Lucifer_Sam · June 20

You didn't say what lead isn't dropping.The only lead I know of from a WB is for the Stele which dropped for me first time.

Gabriel_H · June 20

Lucifer_Sam wrote: »

You didn't say what lead isn't dropping.The only lead I know of from a WB is for the Stele which dropped for me first time.

I said there had been a change in the drop rates from the way it has worked the last few years

anadandy · June 20

I already hit 3/3 for the Glenumbra WB lead (Zenithar Stele) which is unheard of for only a week or so past introduction. It is dropping, in my experience (YMMV), generously so. I wasn't farming that boss either, I was doing a container looting circuit and I'd kill it if it happened to be up when I rode by. I wish more furnishing leads would drop that well.

Alphawolf01A · June 20

I know this thread is about drop rates. Not trying to hijack it. Just got the Zenithar devotional stele. First one. I'm really disappointed in this furnishing. For a gold tier antiquity, it is rather plain. Is the "picture" supposed to look washed out and faded? I can barely see the image.

joe_schmo · June 20

Weird, I got at 100% drop every time for the Zenithar stele from the werewolf WB and Breton window furnishing from Red Petal Bastion, and got 3/3 codex for each after doing both only 3 times. Yet for the thieves guild station I've probably opened hundreds of thieves troves and am only 4/15 for codex entries...

anadandy · June 21

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

I know this thread is about drop rates. Not trying to hijack it. Just got the Zenithar devotional stele. First one. I'm really disappointed in this furnishing. For a gold tier antiquity, it is rather plain. Is the "picture" supposed to look washed out and faded? I can barely see the image.

It glows with a faint blue light, if that is any consolation. Hard to see unless you place it somewhere not too brightly lit.

NoticeMeArkay · June 21

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Well, if you want to talk about wasting players' time, all you need to do is look at drop rates for the new Summerset and Glenumbra furnishing plans.

Hang on, Zos did not simply update the standard breton furnishings? They released the reskinned furnishings as a second set?

NoticeMeArkay · June 21

In regards to the drop rates I'm afraid I cannot add much.
My last big antiquity hunt was for the apocryphal well which took 2 years because those 3 leads were map based.
It scarred me enough to never do that again, that's how bad the drop rates are. And if they are even worse now, I guess I'll have to blend out that antiquities even exist. - What a shame.

ESO_player123 · June 21

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Well, if you want to talk about wasting players' time, all you need to do is look at drop rates for the new Summerset and Glenumbra furnishing plans.

Hang on, Zos did not simply update the standard breton furnishings? They released the reskinned furnishings as a second set?

Yes, there is a whole bunch of new furnishing plans that drop in Glenumbra.

AzuraFan · June 21

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Since Gold Road, ZOS have had a ~100% chance on a 1st iteration lead dropping from source on first attempt. Yet, I'm now on kill 3 and no lead. In addition, I did a Heist, that also resulted in no lead. So that leaves 3 possibilities:

That hasn't been my experience. Just last week, I finally got the last fragment for a mythic that took at least 10 kills, maybe a few more - the first iteration for this mythic. I think the 100% thing is luck and/or anecdotal.

Lokiator · June 21

The lead from the Glenumbra WB took me 5 kills for all 3 codex entries.

The lead from Red Petal Bastion dropped on both the first and second times that I completed the dungeon. I haven't done a third run yet. (EDIT - 3rd run complete, 3rd lead found)

So far I'm 6/15 codex entries on the Thieves Guild Armory Station. Leads dropped from my 4th, 15th, and 19th Glenumbra Thieves Trove and my 5th, 8th, and 12th Heist. Based on my experience, the drop rate seems to be in the 15-25% range for this antiquity. My biggest issue is that there's so much competition for Thieves Troves that I'm only finding 1 or 2 per day and I'm constantly meeting people at their spawn locations.

The other two antiquities aren't live yet. We have to wait for the new encounter systems that start on the 8th.

Alphawolf01A · June 21

anadandy wrote: »

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

I know this thread is about drop rates. Not trying to hijack it. Just got the Zenithar devotional stele. First one. I'm really disappointed in this furnishing. For a gold tier antiquity, it is rather plain. Is the "picture" supposed to look washed out and faded? I can barely see the image.

It glows with a faint blue light, if that is any consolation. Hard to see unless you place it somewhere not too brightly lit.

Thank you. I'll take a closer look. Much appreciated.

Gabriel_H · June 21

AzuraFan wrote: »

That hasn't been my experience. Just last week, I finally got the last fragment for a mythic that took at least 10 kills, maybe a few more - the first iteration for this mythic. I think the 100% thing is luck and/or anecdotal.

Which Mythic? The ~100% is not anecdotal. There are however a couple of outliers.

AzuraFan · June 21

Gabriel_H wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

That hasn't been my experience. Just last week, I finally got the last fragment for a mythic that took at least 10 kills, maybe a few more - the first iteration for this mythic. I think the 100% thing is luck and/or anecdotal.

Which Mythic? The ~100% is not anecdotal. There are however a couple of outliers.

Don't remember the mythic, but remember the lead. It's the one that drops from secret bosses in Graven Deep.

I'm currently actively working on the codex. I have quite a few leads (mythic and non-mythic) that I'm at 0/3 for, and that did not drop for me on the first iteration. Based on my experience, the first iteration does seem to have better RNG than the second and third, but not 100%.

Gabriel_H · June 21

AzuraFan wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

That hasn't been my experience. Just last week, I finally got the last fragment for a mythic that took at least 10 kills, maybe a few more - the first iteration for this mythic. I think the 100% thing is luck and/or anecdotal.

Which Mythic? The ~100% is not anecdotal. There are however a couple of outliers.

Don't remember the mythic, but remember the lead. It's the one that drops from secret bosses in Graven Deep.

I'm currently actively working on the codex. I have quite a few leads (mythic and non-mythic) that I'm at 0/3 for, and that did not drop for me on the first iteration. Based on my experience, the first iteration does seem to have better RNG than the second and third, but not 100%.

Esoteric Greaves. Was a Necrom release, so it won't have the ~100% drop on 1st iteration.

The ~100% only came in with Gold Road. Anything prior to that is (for bosses) a 5 - 10% drop rate.

AzuraFan · June 21

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Esoteric Greaves. Was a Necrom release, so it won't have the ~100% drop on 1st iteration.

The ~100% only came in with Gold Road. Anything prior to that is (for bosses) a 5 - 10% drop rate.

Ah, okay, I thought you meant they'd changed it for all antiquities, not just those after Necrom. They should have changed it for all of them.

Thoriorz · 6:32AM

Gabriel_H wrote: »

So, U50 added 5 furnishings from Antiquity Leads. 4 single pieces and a multi-piece being 9 leads in total. I'm currently camping the a WB in Glenumbra for one of these leads. I've killed it 3 times and so far no lead.

Since Gold Road, ZOS have had a ~100% chance on a 1st iteration lead dropping from source on first attempt. Yet, I'm now on kill 3 and no lead. In addition, I did a Heist, that also resulted in no lead. So that leaves 3 possibilities:
My information on source is wrong (highly unlikely)

Antiquity Leads are not Live yet (Other's have got some)

ZOS changed the drop rate

So, let me get this right. After years of us complaining about lead drop rates, ZOS decides to revert to an older (worse) drop rate ... Why?

There is a vast difference between a grind and outright wasting player's time. An excessive grind can turn into the latter, but having to stand around for 5 minutes waiting for a boss to respawn over and over is outright wasting player's time.

I'm going to keep this civil, but I'd very much like to hear ZOS' thinking on this. After which, I cannot promise my tone will remain quite so measured.

OK. So I think I know what ZOS have done. They have indeed removed the ~100% chance on 1st iteration, but they have massively increased the drop rate overall. @ZOS, you really need to communicate these changes to players. It helps us plan how we spend our time.

If I am right and it's a boost to drop rates overall, great but you need to tell us, and you need to fix the older antiquity drop rates to bring them inline. Especially 2nd iteration and above, and especially on treasure maps.

Why not simply publish the drop rates? It's not commercially sensitive and would go a long way to appeasing the concerns of the dedicated codex community.

I just noticed your thread.

As for the newly added Leads (Window of Divinity, Zenithar Devotional Stele), I must have been incredibly lucky because both of these dropped for me on the first try on all my Codex entries. 3x WB in Glenumbra = every kill = Lead, and same for 3x Red Petal Bastion = last boss kill was Lead drop. So, on the contrary, I thought that ZOS had made it so that not only is the first drop almost guaranteed, but the other drops for 2/3 and 3/3 codex entries are as well.

But ofc, my experience at the Thieves Guild Station was different from the two things I mentioned above. So...

Gabriel_H · 6:36AM

Thoriorz wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

So, U50 added 5 furnishings from Antiquity Leads. 4 single pieces and a multi-piece being 9 leads in total. I'm currently camping the a WB in Glenumbra for one of these leads. I've killed it 3 times and so far no lead.

Since Gold Road, ZOS have had a ~100% chance on a 1st iteration lead dropping from source on first attempt. Yet, I'm now on kill 3 and no lead. In addition, I did a Heist, that also resulted in no lead. So that leaves 3 possibilities:
My information on source is wrong (highly unlikely)

Antiquity Leads are not Live yet (Other's have got some)

ZOS changed the drop rate

So, let me get this right. After years of us complaining about lead drop rates, ZOS decides to revert to an older (worse) drop rate ... Why?

There is a vast difference between a grind and outright wasting player's time. An excessive grind can turn into the latter, but having to stand around for 5 minutes waiting for a boss to respawn over and over is outright wasting player's time.

I'm going to keep this civil, but I'd very much like to hear ZOS' thinking on this. After which, I cannot promise my tone will remain quite so measured.

OK. So I think I know what ZOS have done. They have indeed removed the ~100% chance on 1st iteration, but they have massively increased the drop rate overall. @ZOS, you really need to communicate these changes to players. It helps us plan how we spend our time.

If I am right and it's a boost to drop rates overall, great but you need to tell us, and you need to fix the older antiquity drop rates to bring them inline. Especially 2nd iteration and above, and especially on treasure maps.

Why not simply publish the drop rates? It's not commercially sensitive and would go a long way to appeasing the concerns of the dedicated codex community.

I just noticed your thread.

As for the newly added Leads (Window of Divinity, Zenithar Devotional Stele), I must have been incredibly lucky because both of these dropped for me on the first try on all my Codex entries. 3x WB in Glenumbra = every kill = Lead, and same for 3x Red Petal Bastion = last boss kill was Lead drop. So, on the contrary, I thought that ZOS had made it so that not only is the first drop almost guaranteed, but the other drops for 2/3 and 3/3 codex entries are as well.

But ofc, my experience at the Thieves Guild Station was different from the two things I mentioned above. So...

The TGAS is a bad joke. 5 leads, limited drop source, long spawn timers. It's like ZOS read the concerns of the antiquity hunters and said: "You know what, lets make it worse for them!"