Wuuffyy wrote: »

@hoangdz

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Okay you are arguing that DK is better than WW therefore WW is not as busted...? What kind of logic is that lol? Both things can be true at the same time.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

1v1s are merely for practice or pure ego stroking, it has no bearing on the actual game itself. For instance people complaining about Heart of Fire being op, but when targeted by multiple people stun locking and hitting you, it alone aint saving you without a proper build to live through it, one that would seemingly help yall that think pulse gankers need the nerf. What react described as building super tanky in another thread to me was an average cyrodiil build and is probably why pulse gankers rarely one hit me alone, takes several or more at once to do that and usually its a lucky hit. Can probably count on one hand how many times thats happened.

At least heart of fire requires a cast whereas warden jellyfish was just free sustain plus the passive boost and worked as long as you had it up. Subclassed builds were far stronger than pure dk, people just didnt see it that way because the new dk was everywhere due to being new. Itll be the same with ww, and it is the same with pulse ganking, I already see less and less of them every day.

I can tell you from experience that heart/soul of flame will not heal or sustain you at all when fighting a Zerg. The animation alone slows you down when you are trying to kite and if you think you’re just going to stand your ground and hold block I’ve seen even the tankiest dedicated tanks get worn down eventually. Everyone talks about core of flame and its morphs being op honestly sound like they don’t know what they are talking about and are just regurgitating rhetoric they seen or heard online. Much like learned language models that teach ai how to think and speak. The fact is words like “op” and “broken” are typically used in build videos as click bait. But every now and then you do get some truly unbalanced broken stuff that gets released, like upper end of WW builds, pulse gankers, status effect builds. There’s nothing inherently wrong with these types of builds existing they just need to be toned down like the dk was recently. See, most dk’s can admit and agree that our class needed to be toned down a bit. But none of the ww mains on here can do that. Why? And all of the people still complaining about dk’s are not acknowledging that our main hard cc was nerfed big time. But we adapt as should everyone else when their crutch gets nerfed too.

Trust me, I know and I agree, but you'll find yourself at odds with @hoangdz if you say this lol.

about heart of flame specifically. Im a dk main not a werewolf main.

Heart of Flame is a busted ability that allows so many things a normal sustain skill would not. This is objectively a fact and you can prove this with simple theorycrafting in game.

Wuuffyy wrote: »

This person here (he knows who he is and was NOT emp) did more or less the same to a high health wolf here:

Hey, thats me! Here's the context for this image. I was;

5 medium, dark elf, triple infused weapon damage, shadow mundus, 3x offensive blue CP, nirnhoned battleaxe, continuous attack active. Orders wrath, rallying, mono. 33k hp.

Igneous says 19k because the recap is showing many instances of damage in one recap item, it hits for 1k ish.

An extremely high damage setup which itself can die fairly easily.

That recap is showing this individual did not block, dodge, or outspace any part of the extremely telegraphed combo across 3 GCDs.

Quite a bit different compared to the 45-50k HP WW doing more damage than you can heal primarily through dots, light attacks, and status effects with zero counterplay, whilst being entirely unkillable.

I dont think anyone is claiming DK is balanced lol, even Im not sayin that lmao. Im just saying that we're in a transition state and zos should stick to their guns for once and finish the process before they start balancing. Thats the whole purpose of masteries also, so they can make quicker changes to address balance issues. So if they think ww is too strong, instead of nerfing them they can buff classes that dont run them like arcanist with masteries. If they start nerfing ww after all the work they did to rework them theyll have to start nerfin dk next, and sorcs, and all this before they even get the second actual class out the door.

hoangdz wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

1v1s are merely for practice or pure ego stroking, it has no bearing on the actual game itself. For instance people complaining about Heart of Fire being op, but when targeted by multiple people stun locking and hitting you, it alone aint saving you without a proper build to live through it, one that would seemingly help yall that think pulse gankers need the nerf. What react described as building super tanky in another thread to me was an average cyrodiil build and is probably why pulse gankers rarely one hit me alone, takes several or more at once to do that and usually its a lucky hit. Can probably count on one hand how many times thats happened.

At least heart of fire requires a cast whereas warden jellyfish was just free sustain plus the passive boost and worked as long as you had it up. Subclassed builds were far stronger than pure dk, people just didnt see it that way because the new dk was everywhere due to being new. Itll be the same with ww, and it is the same with pulse ganking, I already see less and less of them every day.

I can tell you from experience that heart/soul of flame will not heal or sustain you at all when fighting a Zerg. The animation alone slows you down when you are trying to kite and if you think you’re just going to stand your ground and hold block I’ve seen even the tankiest dedicated tanks get worn down eventually. Everyone talks about core of flame and its morphs being op honestly sound like they don’t know what they are talking about and are just regurgitating rhetoric they seen or heard online. Much like learned language models that teach ai how to think and speak. The fact is words like “op” and “broken” are typically used in build videos as click bait. But every now and then you do get some truly unbalanced broken stuff that gets released, like upper end of WW builds, pulse gankers, status effect builds. There’s nothing inherently wrong with these types of builds existing they just need to be toned down like the dk was recently. See, most dk’s can admit and agree that our class needed to be toned down a bit. But none of the ww mains on here can do that. Why? And all of the people still complaining about dk’s are not acknowledging that our main hard cc was nerfed big time. But we adapt as should everyone else when their crutch gets nerfed too.

Trust me, I know and I agree, but you'll find yourself at odds with @hoangdz if you say this lol.

about heart of flame specifically. Im a dk main not a werewolf main.

Heart of Flame is a busted ability that allows so many things a normal sustain skill would not. This is objectively a fact and you can prove this with simple theorycrafting in game.

it doesnt allow you to build sustain while stunned, you gotta be on the bar you have it slotted casting it and it only lasts a few seconds. Warden doesnt have that issue.

Your opinions arent fact.

React wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

it doesnt allow you to build sustain while stunned, you gotta be on the bar you have it slotted casting it and it only lasts a few seconds. Warden doesnt have that issue.

Your opinions arent fact.

The skill gives the equivalent of something like 1,500+ magicka AND stamina recovery, heals for double what vigor does per tick around the 37k HP threshold, and allows you to pick up 3-4k max magicka and stamina as the max stats provide more sustain than haunch's regen does due to HOF. And it is a 3-6k delayed AOE burst to boot. And an interrupt.

Netch gives 400 regen equivalent of one resource, a small situational damage modifier, brutality, and a single effect purge.

The two things are not remotely comparable.

youre right, because netch is infinite cleanse and always working even when stunned and doesnt require an active cast and continuous rotation.

They're not comparable, no. And yet every other subclassing build using this and the passive for instant increase to your sustain on top of netch is why many players have stopped playing and why zos saw fit to give dk something that puts it on par with those subclassed builds. Without that skill dk wouldnt be able to compete with them, werewolf, pulse gankers, and probably not warden either, and I'd still be subclassing dk

Judging from how many people came back for the dk refresh vs how many left after subclassing was introduced, I think we know what people would rather put up with, with the promise of further class refreshes undoing the damage subclassing introduced.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

I dont think anyone is claiming DK is balanced lol, even Im not sayin that lmao. Im just saying that we're in a transition state and zos should stick to their guns for once and finish the process before they start balancing. Thats the whole purpose of masteries also, so they can make quicker changes to address balance issues. So if they think ww is too strong, instead of nerfing them they can buff classes that dont run them like arcanist with masteries. If they start nerfing ww after all the work they did to rework them theyll have to start nerfin dk next, and sorcs, and all this before they even get the second actual class out the door

Good idea, bad execution. Ideas can only be as good as their executions though.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Heart of Flame is a busted ability that allows so many things a normal sustain skill would not. This is objectively a fact and you can prove this with simple theorycrafting in game.

it doesnt allow you to build sustain while stunned, you gotta be on the bar you have it slotted casting it and it only lasts a few seconds. Warden doesnt have that issue.

Your opinions arent fact.

1) Again, not an opinion. I base all my claims off of in-game data and mathematical numbers which can all be fact-checked by anybody.

2) Using a very specific example where HoF doesn't perform well doesn't invalidate my argument. In fact, it would make my argument stronger because if you that same scenario to literally any sustain skill in the game, you're going to suffer the same drawback (i.e. Netch/Rune Focus falling off and you getting stunned before you can cast them, or getting interrupted mid Dark Deal cast). If I play by your argument, sure, Heart of Flame doesn't let you build sustain while stunned, but if you cast it before you get stunned, then it's still going to give you that regen tick.

3) You are making the skill sound like it's worse than it actually is. It's not. First of all, Heart of Flame is restoring 15% of your max health every 2s over the course of 4s, ticking 3 times. This is the HoF's heal tooltip at 32.3k HP on my subclassed Sorc build in NO CP:




5169 HP every 2s and ticks 3 times. With Battle Spirit, that's a 2628 non crit heal and around 4.6k crit heal at 75% crit healing modifier




The sustain part has already been covered in the past, so I'm not going to repeat it here.

Then it's also doing a delayed AoE burst. At 6345 WD and 34.7k stam, the tooltip of HoF is around 9478 damage



Just for comparison, my B4B spammable tooltip at those same WD and max stam values has a 10990 value. With this tooltip and full pen, I regularly hit people for ~7-8k crit B4Bs, so you can expect to hit people for at minimum 5k crit HoF in PvP with full pen.

For an ability that has an extremely strong HoT, god tier sustain, and a strong AoE burst, you can't possibly try to paint it as something that has some sort of drawback. It doesn't.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

React wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

it doesnt allow you to build sustain while stunned, you gotta be on the bar you have it slotted casting it and it only lasts a few seconds. Warden doesnt have that issue.

Your opinions arent fact.

The skill gives the equivalent of something like 1,500+ magicka AND stamina recovery, heals for double what vigor does per tick around the 37k HP threshold, and allows you to pick up 3-4k max magicka and stamina as the max stats provide more sustain than haunch's regen does due to HOF. And it is a 3-6k delayed AOE burst to boot. And an interrupt.

Netch gives 400 regen equivalent of one resource, a small situational damage modifier, brutality, and a single effect purge.

The two things are not remotely comparable.

youre right, because netch is infinite cleanse and always working even when stunned and doesnt require an active cast and continuous rotation.

They're not comparable, no. And yet every other subclassing build using this and the passive for instant increase to your sustain on top of netch is why many players have stopped playing and why zos saw fit to give dk something that puts it on par with those subclassed builds. Without that skill dk wouldnt be able to compete with them, werewolf, pulse gankers, and probably not warden either, and I'd still be subclassing dk

Judging from how many people came back for the dk refresh vs how many left after subclassing was introduced, I think we know what people would rather put up with, with the promise of further class refreshes undoing the damage subclassing introduced.

This is the clearest case of biaseness I actually have no words to describe it. You are literally trying very hard to convince yourself and other people that Netch is somehow better than HoF and that HoF is only "on par with subclassed builds".

Like, hello? Every build is subclassing Ardent Flame specifically for Heart of Flame because it is the most busted ability in the game that lets them chug armor pots for 5.3k extra armor, use Sugar Skull instead of Orzoga, deal an AoE delayed burst, and in U50, heal for MORE than Vigor, both of which Netch or Rune Focus could only dream of.

Seriously, I cannot understand this level of conscious biasness. It's absurd.

hoangdz wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

I dont think anyone is claiming DK is balanced lol, even Im not sayin that lmao. Im just saying that we're in a transition state and zos should stick to their guns for once and finish the process before they start balancing. Thats the whole purpose of masteries also, so they can make quicker changes to address balance issues. So if they think ww is too strong, instead of nerfing them they can buff classes that dont run them like arcanist with masteries. If they start nerfing ww after all the work they did to rework them theyll have to start nerfin dk next, and sorcs, and all this before they even get the second actual class out the door

Good idea, bad execution. Ideas can only be as good as their executions though.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Heart of Flame is a busted ability that allows so many things a normal sustain skill would not. This is objectively a fact and you can prove this with simple theorycrafting in game.

it doesnt allow you to build sustain while stunned, you gotta be on the bar you have it slotted casting it and it only lasts a few seconds. Warden doesnt have that issue.

Your opinions arent fact.

1) Again, not an opinion. I base all my claims off of in-game data and mathematical numbers which can all be fact-checked by anybody.

2) Using a very specific example where HoF doesn't perform well doesn't invalidate my argument. In fact, it would make my argument stronger because if you that same scenario to literally any sustain skill in the game, you're going to suffer the same drawback (i.e. Netch/Rune Focus falling off and you getting stunned before you can cast them, or getting interrupted mid Dark Deal cast). If I play by your argument, sure, Heart of Flame doesn't let you build sustain while stunned, but if you cast it before you get stunned, then it's still going to give you that regen tick.

3) You are making the skill sound like it's worse than it actually is. It's not. First of all, Heart of Flame is restoring 15% of your max health every 2s over the course of 4s, ticking 3 times. This is the HoF's heal tooltip at 32.3k HP on my subclassed Sorc build in NO CP:




5169 HP every 2s and ticks 3 times. With Battle Spirit, that's a 2628 non crit heal and around 4.6k crit heal at 75% crit healing modifier




The sustain part has already been covered in the past, so I'm not going to repeat it here.

Then it's also doing a delayed AoE burst. At 6345 WD and 34.7k stam, the tooltip of HoF is around 9478 damage



Just for comparison, my B4B spammable tooltip at those same WD and max stam values has a 10990 value. With this tooltip and full pen, I regularly hit people for ~7-8k crit B4Bs, so you can expect to hit people for at minimum 5k crit HoF in PvP with full pen.

For an ability that has an extremely strong HoT, god tier sustain, and a strong AoE burst, you can't possibly try to paint it as something that has some sort of drawback. It doesn't.

10.9k on a tooltip spammable post the 1000 wep/spell 'fluff' damage they added a while back seems really low, I won't lie.

hoangdz wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

React wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

it doesnt allow you to build sustain while stunned, you gotta be on the bar you have it slotted casting it and it only lasts a few seconds. Warden doesnt have that issue.

Your opinions arent fact.

The skill gives the equivalent of something like 1,500+ magicka AND stamina recovery, heals for double what vigor does per tick around the 37k HP threshold, and allows you to pick up 3-4k max magicka and stamina as the max stats provide more sustain than haunch's regen does due to HOF. And it is a 3-6k delayed AOE burst to boot. And an interrupt.

Netch gives 400 regen equivalent of one resource, a small situational damage modifier, brutality, and a single effect purge.

The two things are not remotely comparable.

youre right, because netch is infinite cleanse and always working even when stunned and doesnt require an active cast and continuous rotation.

They're not comparable, no. And yet every other subclassing build using this and the passive for instant increase to your sustain on top of netch is why many players have stopped playing and why zos saw fit to give dk something that puts it on par with those subclassed builds. Without that skill dk wouldnt be able to compete with them, werewolf, pulse gankers, and probably not warden either, and I'd still be subclassing dk

Judging from how many people came back for the dk refresh vs how many left after subclassing was introduced, I think we know what people would rather put up with, with the promise of further class refreshes undoing the damage subclassing introduced.

This is the clearest case of biaseness
Seriously, I cannot understand this level of conscious biasness. It's absurd.

its not bias its literally what zos themselves have stated their goal is with the class refreshes
If you disagree with that strat you should take it up with them lol but it sounds like you are ok with the state of the game after subclassing, which cool, but many of us are not and pretty much stopped playing after the release of it.

Nothings as broken as the game was after that with zero checks to the system. And clearly it had such a severe impact on the player base that zos decided it was more desirable to boost one class at a time and undermine the power of subclassing than simply keep it as is.

Thats something that shouldnt be ignored but regularly is in all of your threads.

Zos needs to start firing people

hoangdz wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

1v1s are merely for practice or pure ego stroking, it has no bearing on the actual game itself. For instance people complaining about Heart of Fire being op, but when targeted by multiple people stun locking and hitting you, it alone aint saving you without a proper build to live through it, one that would seemingly help yall that think pulse gankers need the nerf. What react described as building super tanky in another thread to me was an average cyrodiil build and is probably why pulse gankers rarely one hit me alone, takes several or more at once to do that and usually its a lucky hit. Can probably count on one hand how many times thats happened.

At least heart of fire requires a cast whereas warden jellyfish was just free sustain plus the passive boost and worked as long as you had it up. Subclassed builds were far stronger than pure dk, people just didnt see it that way because the new dk was everywhere due to being new. Itll be the same with ww, and it is the same with pulse ganking, I already see less and less of them every day.

I can tell you from experience that heart/soul of flame will not heal or sustain you at all when fighting a Zerg. The animation alone slows you down when you are trying to kite and if you think you’re just going to stand your ground and hold block I’ve seen even the tankiest dedicated tanks get worn down eventually. Everyone talks about core of flame and its morphs being op honestly sound like they don’t know what they are talking about and are just regurgitating rhetoric they seen or heard online. Much like learned language models that teach ai how to think and speak. The fact is words like “op” and “broken” are typically used in build videos as click bait. But every now and then you do get some truly unbalanced broken stuff that gets released, like upper end of WW builds, pulse gankers, status effect builds. There’s nothing inherently wrong with these types of builds existing they just need to be toned down like the dk was recently. See, most dk’s can admit and agree that our class needed to be toned down a bit. But none of the ww mains on here can do that. Why? And all of the people still complaining about dk’s are not acknowledging that our main hard cc was nerfed big time. But we adapt as should everyone else when their crutch gets nerfed too.

Trust me, I know and I agree, but you'll find yourself at odds with @hoangdz if you say this lol.

about heart of flame specifically. Im a dk main not a werewolf main.

Heart of Flame is a busted ability that allows so many things a normal sustain skill would not. This is objectively a fact and you can prove this with simple theorycrafting in game.

Post a montage with of you Xing using only heart of flame to heal and sustain you if it’s so broken.

Theory crafting < Practical application

Lots of thing look and sound good on paper or in theory. But like Mike Tyson once said “everyone’s got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”

I’m telling you as a dk main this skill will not carry you if you’re fighting against multiple good players with proper builds. It just will not happen. All of the Xing videos on yt are Jedi mind tricks. They show good players killing bad players that over extend and don’t understand positioning.

On the other hand, WW howl and the rest of their kit for that matter will absolutely without a doubt right now full carry a bad player on a meta ww build all day every day and twice on Sunday.

hoangdz wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

React wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

it doesnt allow you to build sustain while stunned, you gotta be on the bar you have it slotted casting it and it only lasts a few seconds. Warden doesnt have that issue.

Your opinions arent fact.

The skill gives the equivalent of something like 1,500+ magicka AND stamina recovery, heals for double what vigor does per tick around the 37k HP threshold, and allows you to pick up 3-4k max magicka and stamina as the max stats provide more sustain than haunch's regen does due to HOF. And it is a 3-6k delayed AOE burst to boot. And an interrupt.

Netch gives 400 regen equivalent of one resource, a small situational damage modifier, brutality, and a single effect purge.

The two things are not remotely comparable.

youre right, because netch is infinite cleanse and always working even when stunned and doesnt require an active cast and continuous rotation.

They're not comparable, no. And yet every other subclassing build using this and the passive for instant increase to your sustain on top of netch is why many players have stopped playing and why zos saw fit to give dk something that puts it on par with those subclassed builds. Without that skill dk wouldnt be able to compete with them, werewolf, pulse gankers, and probably not warden either, and I'd still be subclassing dk

Judging from how many people came back for the dk refresh vs how many left after subclassing was introduced, I think we know what people would rather put up with, with the promise of further class refreshes undoing the damage subclassing introduced.

This is the clearest case of biaseness I actually have no words to describe it. You are literally trying very hard to convince yourself and other people that Netch is somehow better than HoF and that it's "on par with subclassed builds".

Like, hello? Every build is subclassing Ardent Flame specifically for Heart of Flame because it is the most busted ability in the game that lets them chug armor pots for 5.3k extra armor and use Sugar Skull instead of Orzoga, both of which Netch or Rune Focus could only dream of.

Seriously, I cannot understand this level of conscious biasness. It's absurd.

This is something else they should target instead of 'nuking' on top of Signet to test.

Armor pots, the 5200 or so value was a generic buff given that mimics the old major resolve values. Even then, it didn't make sense and since then they have become more consistent in giving major buffs instead of unique values (there are more but the first thing that comes to mind is when they removed the 10k unique resists in favor of providing the generic major values instead)...

Honestly, they should either make these major (which would still maintain building opportunities at the cost of sustain) or rework the effect entirely. I really don't believe these should exist but I suppose that could just be my opinion.

Wuuffyy wrote: »

hoangdz wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

React wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

it doesnt allow you to build sustain while stunned, you gotta be on the bar you have it slotted casting it and it only lasts a few seconds. Warden doesnt have that issue.

Your opinions arent fact.

The skill gives the equivalent of something like 1,500+ magicka AND stamina recovery, heals for double what vigor does per tick around the 37k HP threshold, and allows you to pick up 3-4k max magicka and stamina as the max stats provide more sustain than haunch's regen does due to HOF. And it is a 3-6k delayed AOE burst to boot. And an interrupt.

Netch gives 400 regen equivalent of one resource, a small situational damage modifier, brutality, and a single effect purge.

The two things are not remotely comparable.

youre right, because netch is infinite cleanse and always working even when stunned and doesnt require an active cast and continuous rotation.

They're not comparable, no. And yet every other subclassing build using this and the passive for instant increase to your sustain on top of netch is why many players have stopped playing and why zos saw fit to give dk something that puts it on par with those subclassed builds. Without that skill dk wouldnt be able to compete with them, werewolf, pulse gankers, and probably not warden either, and I'd still be subclassing dk

Judging from how many people came back for the dk refresh vs how many left after subclassing was introduced, I think we know what people would rather put up with, with the promise of further class refreshes undoing the damage subclassing introduced.

This is the clearest case of biaseness I actually have no words to describe it. You are literally trying very hard to convince yourself and other people that Netch is somehow better than HoF and that it's "on par with subclassed builds".

Like, hello? Every build is subclassing Ardent Flame specifically for Heart of Flame because it is the most busted ability in the game that lets them chug armor pots for 5.3k extra armor and use Sugar Skull instead of Orzoga, both of which Netch or Rune Focus could only dream of.

Seriously, I cannot understand this level of conscious biasness. It's absurd.

This is something else they should target instead of 'nuking' on top of Signet to test.

Armor pots, the 5200 or so value was a generic buff given that mimics the old major resolve values. Even then, it didn't make sense and since then they have become more consistent in giving major buffs instead of unique values (there are more but the first thing that comes to mind is when they removed the 10k unique resists in favor of providing the generic major values instead)...

Honestly, they should either make these major (which would still maintain building opportunities at the cost of sustain) or rework the effect entirely. I really don't believe these should exist but I suppose that could just be my opinion.8

This problem has only surfaced in U49 and U50 solely due to the fact that sustain has become trivialized. Not to say that sustain wasn't trivialized previously, but this level of free sustain is unprecedented. In the past, the only way you could realistically chug armor pots was with Clever Alchemist + 3x Infused potion cooldown glyphs + Argonian race. That was a gimmick specifically tied to that build. U49 and U50 completely broke that by introducing free sustain with HoF, Conservation of Energy, and WW.

ZOS doesn't need to nerf this potion. What they need to do is tone down the level of sustain post U49 reworks.

It would be super cute if heals stopped scaling with max health

Savagejack wrote: »

It would be super cute if heals stopped scaling with max health

Yep. As someone that heals all the time, every HP heal except dark cloak needs a look at. That includes polar wind. Max HP is too easy to stack and no heal should be scaling off of it IMO.

It's time to force some investment in healing and address people holding block all day while healing more than someone with an actually offensive-based build or healer + sustaining it and taking no damage. <-- That was needed a long time ago

The lack of a need to invest is what makes the heal stacking and shielding a problem in the first place.

And another thing is if we can get some HP% siege or more counters to HP stacking. They've over nerfed everything that countered it to the point that there isn't any real counter to stacking HP which is where the problem also lies.

Example: someone use an hp% heal, what damage in the game can reach it? Even 3-4x instances of DoTs cannot reach the value of HP% healing once they move past 40K. It's crazy how anyone on these forums are arguing that WW and HP healing in general doesn't need addressing. And the same people that argue that claim the problem is heal stacking?

They want one thing nerfed, but not what empowers them. Hopefully ZOS ignores it and opens a thread for everyone to comment on a TRUE solution to the tank-ball problem. They both have the same root causes anyway: too much damage reduction through various means, overheating incoming damage -- both with little investment.

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albertberku wrote: »

There is actually this same group of forum users that just trying to defend every single aspect of what is broken in ESO PvP. From proc sets to range ganking to Signet, to DKs to new sorc to new WW. And no one knows who these users are in game, what they play, what they do, as they never share a single thing about themselves in-game. And they get some Agree's every time they write anything and they write a lot.

theres also the same group of forum goers who call everything useful broken and anyone that disagrees with this mantra is biased, or lying or obviously using the thing they're trying to recommend be nerfed etc. And some even locate you in game to continue their debates from the forums.

And historically the ones begging for nerfs are far more successful than the ones suggesting zos doesn't nerf something. Think y'all will be alright for a few cycles.