s3dulo wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

s3dulo wrote: »

If you optimized your WW build, this is accurate. I have smoked plenty of WWs on my DK but I ran into a WW meta build yesterday and It was dizzying. My CMX read about 5500 DPS from the WW. And I was running 33k resist and spent most of the fight on my backbar with major/minor protection. We fought for around two minutes. I managed 3500 DPS being almost entirely defensive and hammering my HoTs but my damage did almost nothing to put the WW on the defensive. As soon as I took some small risks to try to burst, my pitiful 34k HP didn't last long.

If you know anything about dueling, 5500 DPS is crazy high damage output. Especially if the build is also running 45k HP and 100% major protection uptime. That's really unheard of. Your average player has zero chance. Your average 5 players have zero chance.

I think DK ended up in a good place but WW has been overtuned. Nothing wrong with going bold but it needs to be walked back.

I was hit by a 28k whip (you can see above I also have clips, etc.) and nearly insta-killed by a 41k health DK (with core of flame I imagine too). I don’t know if you knew this but between corrosive, vigor, and healing soul+ ability to roll dodge ‘5500’ with no burst is not the same as 4k with the ability to pop your ulti and hit for 40k in a second. Which is exactly how I said this would go in practice.

Fantastic for 1v1s though… assuming it doesn’t just end in a stalemate.

Yeah, either neither is balanced or both are balanced around being on a ‘reworked’ level. Most certainly not ‘wolf OP’ and ‘DK is fine’.

Yes. I could hit you with such a whip as well. However, it takes a large amount of skill and some luck to do that on a good player. People can land 30k spec bows as well and that's ranged. Fe7on showed this on his yt channel early in subclassing. But that's what the riposte CP is for. Supercharing one hit of direct damage.

But if a WW is on you with 5500 DPS and 45-50k health, there is no bursting that. Your only hope is applying enough pressure via DoTs. I'm running a pyre/wildfire build that can hit high DPS as well but I'm 10k health short. Maybe if I managed a 500 Balorg ulti with riposte I could burst down such a WW but it's unlikely. I forgot to mention that I was holding block for much of that fight and he still managed 5500 dps.

Go to Pelican's YouTube channel where he's shown a 200-0 dueling record with his WW. This is against some very good duelers too who would smoke 99.99% of players.

I have no problem with the possibility of a 30k hit in PVP as long as it's difficult, dodgeable, and blockable. But what is happening with WW is busted OP. Nobody on a DK is going 200-0. Subclassing builds and pure sorcs are still very much capable of performing at DK levels but WW is a level above them all.

Wuuffyy wrote: »

s3dulo wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

s3dulo wrote: »

If you optimized your WW build, this is accurate. I have smoked plenty of WWs on my DK but I ran into a WW meta build yesterday and It was dizzying. My CMX read about 5500 DPS from the WW. And I was running 33k resist and spent most of the fight on my backbar with major/minor protection. We fought for around two minutes. I managed 3500 DPS being almost entirely defensive and hammering my HoTs but my damage did almost nothing to put the WW on the defensive. As soon as I took some small risks to try to burst, my pitiful 34k HP didn't last long.

If you know anything about dueling, 5500 DPS is crazy high damage output. Especially if the build is also running 45k HP and 100% major protection uptime. That's really unheard of. Your average player has zero chance. Your average 5 players have zero chance.

I think DK ended up in a good place but WW has been overtuned. Nothing wrong with going bold but it needs to be walked back.

I was hit by a 28k whip (you can see above I also have clips, etc.) and nearly insta-killed by a 41k health DK (with core of flame I imagine too). I don’t know if you knew this but between corrosive, vigor, and healing soul+ ability to roll dodge ‘5500’ with no burst is not the same as 4k with the ability to pop your ulti and hit for 40k in a second. Which is exactly how I said this would go in practice.

Fantastic for 1v1s though… assuming it doesn’t just end in a stalemate.

Yeah, either neither is balanced or both are balanced around being on a ‘reworked’ level. Most certainly not ‘wolf OP’ and ‘DK is fine’.

Yes. I could hit you with such a whip as well. However, it takes a large amount of skill and some luck to do that on a good player. People can land 30k spec bows as well and that's ranged. Fe7on showed this on his yt channel early in subclassing. But that's what the riposte CP is for. Supercharing one hit of direct damage.

But if a WW is on you with 5500 DPS and 45-50k health, there is no bursting that. Your only hope is applying enough pressure via DoTs. I'm running a pyre/wildfire build that can hit high DPS as well but I'm 10k health short. Maybe if I managed a 500 Balorg ulti with riposte I could burst down such a WW but it's unlikely. I forgot to mention that I was holding block for much of that fight and he still managed 5500 dps.

Go to Pelican's YouTube channel where he's shown a 200-0 dueling record with his WW. This is against some very good duelers too who would smoke 99.99% of players.

I have no problem with the possibility of a 30k hit in PVP as long as it's difficult, dodgeable, and blockable. But what is happening with WW is busted OP. Nobody on a DK is going 200-0. Subclassing builds and pure sorcs are still very much capable of performing at DK levels but WW is a level above them all.

My brother in cheese- this was ALSO done to my friend not more than 2 minutes later.

Dude has core of flame and 41k health (lmk if you need proof; quick reminder that corro pens all… 28-29k resists withstanding) That’s NOT skillful. And sure I’d personally take werewolf as a 2 bar but when it’s 3 individuals (@React @Pelican @hoangdz spam posting ‘nerf werewolf’ and there’s hardly a peep anywhere else)…

…who are so ready and willing to dismiss this or anything related to DK while openly admitting they have a bias against ‘anything 2 bar’… there feedback should be interpreted as such (hence why I’m more than happy to scream these facts to the moon and back)

Werewolf MUST be competitive unless they rework it again or THIS rework is an objective failure. Reducing healing or glob forbid reducing the already horrid in-kit damage even further does not reach that goal.

Stamicka wrote: »

What you are dishonestly failing to mention is that this person who hit you that hard is the current emperor of Grey Host. Actually I think I watched this screenshot happen to you after you tried to zerg me down.

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Jamm @Chase0351 - 4 responses in a row just to make sure this dying thread doesn’t fall off of the main page. I was hit with a 9k DK burst delay into a 28k whip with 28k resists. Oh, and they had 41k health and infinite sustain (I imagine) from core of flame also.

DK is plenty fine against wolf especially the average wolf I imagine (not that building resistance even matters against it)

Don’t take this the wrong way but 28k resistance is very low in current meta. Once you are debuffed with major and minor breach you’re down to roughly 19k and if you are fighting more than one player you may have more resistance debuffs on you lowering your already squishy resistance down even further. So at 28k resistance you are obviously not the kind of WW player/build that this thread is referring to. The meta ww builds are high resistance plus armor pots and high health which is why they can 1vX large Zergs and do very well. I’m talking 40k+ resistance easily and 40k+ health with infinite sustain and really good damage pressure plus you can’t outrun them either. These are the balance breaking builds that need to be addressed, not the casual builds. The casual builds are not even a factor.

Oh, and I made four separate posts because I wanted to address each of those four points individually instead of all in one long text block post.

I’m running the Signet meta/Warden mastery build (over here waiting for the inevitable nerfs as these 3 or so people literally don’t stop spinning it so) but with more pen and mag recovery. Mind you I’m both still killable if I don’t watch my Rampage and hold it until the entire Zerg jumps on me because I’m a HUGE target AND my damage on any of the 35k+ health builds is just… okay (ooooh, deficiencies)

I still have permanent major protection as well as corrosive full pens armor… but even if it didn’t… That’s a 20k or so whip (from the 28k there) and the other, smaller whip that came right before would have been 10k (instead of the 14k) as you can clearly see in the screenshot on the top of page 2…

That’s not counting the other burst move (yet another DK move) they hit me for or the one I’m sure didn’t even pop up on the recap. I was taking back as I was in Cyro and just passed by this person… and died.

It finally clicked when I saw that the DK in question has 41k health and then I was legitimately questioning how wolf is any different except I only have serious damage with a handful of builds for werewolf and none of them have actual burst outside of proc sets.

Edit (think I’ll put this on every page @React or @hoangdz bump this to; this was done TO an ‘unstoppable meta werewolf’ mind you):

@Wuuffyy sorry for this late reply but for some reason your screenshots did not show up on my end until now. Looking at your resistances it’s like I said earlier they are very low. And once the dk debuffs you with major and minor breach which they have built into their class kit you will be around ~19k resistances which is glass cannon one shot territory. So if you get your resistances to at least the 33k cap you will reduce those whips by quite a bit and I would even suggest you get your resistances closer to 40k to act as a buffer for the debuffs coming in so you’re still around 33k with major and minor breach on. This is very easy to do while still maintaining 6.5-7k wd and 8-10k base pen you just have to do some research and plan accordingly. Without divulging too much build info I will tell you I never get hit with whips even remotely close to 28k. Also, block more.

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Jamm @Chase0351 - 4 responses in a row just to make sure this dying thread doesn’t fall off of the main page. I was hit with a 9k DK burst delay into a 28k whip with 28k resists. Oh, and they had 41k health and infinite sustain (I imagine) from core of flame also.

DK is plenty fine against wolf especially the average wolf I imagine (not that building resistance even matters against it)

Don’t take this the wrong way but 28k resistance is very low in current meta. Once you are debuffed with major and minor breach you’re down to roughly 19k and if you are fighting more than one player you may have more resistance debuffs on you lowering your already squishy resistance down even further. So at 28k resistance you are obviously not the kind of WW player/build that this thread is referring to. The meta ww builds are high resistance plus armor pots and high health which is why they can 1vX large Zergs and do very well. I’m talking 40k+ resistance easily and 40k+ health with infinite sustain and really good damage pressure plus you can’t outrun them either. These are the balance breaking builds that need to be addressed, not the casual builds. The casual builds are not even a factor.

Oh, and I made four separate posts because I wanted to address each of those four points individually instead of all in one long text block post.

I’m running the Signet meta/Warden mastery build (over here waiting for the inevitable nerfs as these 3 or so people literally don’t stop spinning it so) but with more pen and mag recovery. Mind you I’m both still killable if I don’t watch my Rampage and hold it until the entire Zerg jumps on me because I’m a HUGE target AND my damage on any of the 35k+ health builds is just… okay (ooooh, deficiencies)

I still have permanent major protection as well as corrosive full pens armor… but even if it didn’t… That’s a 20k or so whip (from the 28k there) and the other, smaller whip that came right before would have been 10k (instead of the 14k) as you can clearly see in the screenshot on the top of page 2…

That’s not counting the other burst move (yet another DK move) they hit me for or the one I’m sure didn’t even pop up on the recap. I was taking back as I was in Cyro and just passed by this person… and died.

It finally clicked when I saw that the DK in question has 41k health and then I was legitimately questioning how wolf is any different except I only have serious damage with a handful of builds for werewolf and none of them have actual burst outside of proc sets.

Edit (think I’ll put this on every page @React or @hoangdz bump this to; this was done TO an ‘unstoppable meta werewolf’ mind you):

@Wuuffyy sorry for this late reply but for some reason your screenshots did not show up on my end until now. Looking at your resistances it’s like I said earlier they are very low. And once the dk debuffs you with major and minor breach which they have built into their class kit you will be around ~19k resistances which is glass cannon one shot territory. So if you get your resistances to at least the 33k cap you will reduce those whips by quite a bit and I would even suggest you get your resistances closer to 40k to act as a buffer for the debuffs coming in so you’re still around 33k with major and minor breach on. This is very easy to do while still maintaining 6.5-7k wd and 8-10k base pen you just have to do some research and plan accordingly. Without divulging too much build info I will tell you I never get hit with whips even remotely close to 28k. Also, block more.

All y’all can mention are resistances (as if 28-29k with 45 health is remotely low)

You can literally see corrosive in the recap.

Even if that wasn’t up AND I had capped resistances (which is far more than building 33k in PvP due to natural pen)… it would have been a 10k whip, 7k core of flame, 5k incinerate, and a 20k whip.

THAT with 41k health and infinite bi-sustain from flame on that DK, mind you.

I see many of you running around with these things… using these things including React. Yet all you can give me excuses. Werewolf AREN’T doing this to you… werewolves CAN run out of mag. I CAN’T have major evasion and overbearing damage as I have to pick a morph.

These are lethal levels of cope from people who have been squatting on DK for multiple patches now. ‘my thing is fine and werewolf is the problem’. 2 bars nets you the ability to instantly kill a 45k health werewolf, there is your advantage.

Bro your resistances are low and that’s a fact. What do you want me to say that I haven’t already said? I’ve literally done more than most and tried to put you up on some game in order to educate you so you can correct your deficiencies because your entire argument in relation to the damage you took is entirely your fault and yours alone, specifically related to your build or lack there of. And your health as nice as it looks on your stat sheet is being let down big time by your very low resistance numbers. 40k+ health on a squishy build is not going to do anything for you if you don’t have the proper resistance levels to mitigate the incoming damage. You might as well have 20k health because at 28k resistances on a frontline brawler type play style which is exactly what the WW is you are going to get killed very quickly. And if you’re dying to corrosive from anyone except the absolute best dk’s on your server then that is an experience and skill issue. To be blunt, most good PvP players can block through corrosive from most other players unless it’s timed very well with a good amount of burst behind it and a hard cc. You seem to have been caught by a standard dk combo that most would have been able to block or get away from entirely. I don’t want to sound cliche but you gotta learn to play before you blame the system. Also, take my suggestions and do some research on how to make yourself more tanky and honestly your w/sd numbers were pretty low too so you need to work on that as well.

Chase0351 wrote: »

*edit* I’m also a dk main and have killed many ww’s. But the bad ones don’t make the difference just like bad dk’s don’t make the difference when everyone is complaining about our class. We are looking at the ceiling not the floor.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

1v1s are merely for practice or pure ego stroking, it has no bearing on the actual game itself. For instance people complaining about Heart of Fire being op, but when targeted by multiple people stun locking and hitting you, it alone aint saving you without a proper build to live through it, one that would seemingly help yall that think pulse gankers need the nerf. What react described as building super tanky in another thread to me was an average cyrodiil build and is probably why pulse gankers rarely one hit me alone, takes several or more at once to do that and usually its a lucky hit. Can probably count on one hand how many times thats happened.

At least heart of fire requires a cast whereas warden jellyfish was just free sustain plus the passive boost and worked as long as you had it up. Subclassed builds were far stronger than pure dk, people just didnt see it that way because the new dk was everywhere due to being new. Itll be the same with ww, and it is the same with pulse ganking, I already see less and less of them every day.

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Jamm @Chase0351 - 4 responses in a row just to make sure this dying thread doesn’t fall off of the main page. I was hit with a 9k DK burst delay into a 28k whip with 28k resists. Oh, and they had 41k health and infinite sustain (I imagine) from core of flame also.

DK is plenty fine against wolf especially the average wolf I imagine (not that building resistance even matters against it)

Don’t take this the wrong way but 28k resistance is very low in current meta. Once you are debuffed with major and minor breach you’re down to roughly 19k and if you are fighting more than one player you may have more resistance debuffs on you lowering your already squishy resistance down even further. So at 28k resistance you are obviously not the kind of WW player/build that this thread is referring to. The meta ww builds are high resistance plus armor pots and high health which is why they can 1vX large Zergs and do very well. I’m talking 40k+ resistance easily and 40k+ health with infinite sustain and really good damage pressure plus you can’t outrun them either. These are the balance breaking builds that need to be addressed, not the casual builds. The casual builds are not even a factor.

Oh, and I made four separate posts because I wanted to address each of those four points individually instead of all in one long text block post.

I’m running the Signet meta/Warden mastery build (over here waiting for the inevitable nerfs as these 3 or so people literally don’t stop spinning it so) but with more pen and mag recovery. Mind you I’m both still killable if I don’t watch my Rampage and hold it until the entire Zerg jumps on me because I’m a HUGE target AND my damage on any of the 35k+ health builds is just… okay (ooooh, deficiencies)

I still have permanent major protection as well as corrosive full pens armor… but even if it didn’t… That’s a 20k or so whip (from the 28k there) and the other, smaller whip that came right before would have been 10k (instead of the 14k) as you can clearly see in the screenshot on the top of page 2…

That’s not counting the other burst move (yet another DK move) they hit me for or the one I’m sure didn’t even pop up on the recap. I was taking back as I was in Cyro and just passed by this person… and died.

It finally clicked when I saw that the DK in question has 41k health and then I was legitimately questioning how wolf is any different except I only have serious damage with a handful of builds for werewolf and none of them have actual burst outside of proc sets.

Edit (think I’ll put this on every page @React or @hoangdz bump this to; this was done TO an ‘unstoppable meta werewolf’ mind you):

@Wuuffyy sorry for this late reply but for some reason your screenshots did not show up on my end until now. Looking at your resistances it’s like I said earlier they are very low. And once the dk debuffs you with major and minor breach which they have built into their class kit you will be around ~19k resistances which is glass cannon one shot territory. So if you get your resistances to at least the 33k cap you will reduce those whips by quite a bit and I would even suggest you get your resistances closer to 40k to act as a buffer for the debuffs coming in so you’re still around 33k with major and minor breach on. This is very easy to do while still maintaining 6.5-7k wd and 8-10k base pen you just have to do some research and plan accordingly. Without divulging too much build info I will tell you I never get hit with whips even remotely close to 28k. Also, block more.

All y’all can mention are resistances (as if 28-29k with 45 health is remotely low)

You can literally see corrosive in the recap.

Even if that wasn’t up AND I had capped resistances (which is far more than building 33k in PvP due to natural pen)… it would have been a 10k whip, 7k core of flame, 5k incinerate, and a 20k whip.

THAT with 41k health and infinite bi-sustain from flame on that DK, mind you.

I see many of you running around with these things… using these things including React. Yet all you can give me excuses. Werewolf AREN’T doing this to you… werewolves CAN run out of mag. I CAN’T have major evasion and overbearing damage as I have to pick a morph.

These are lethal levels of cope from people who have been squatting on DK for multiple patches now. ‘my thing is fine and werewolf is the problem’. 2 bars nets you the ability to instantly kill a 45k health werewolf, there is your advantage.

Bro your resistances are low and that’s a fact. What do you want me to say that I haven’t already said? I’ve literally done more than most and tried to put you up on some game in order to educate you so you can correct your deficiencies because your entire argument in relation to the damage you took is entirely your fault and yours alone, specifically related to your build or lack there of. And your health as nice as it looks on your stat sheet is being let down big time by your very low resistance numbers. 40k+ health on a squishy build is not going to do anything for you if you don’t have the proper resistance levels to mitigate the incoming damage. You might as well have 20k health because at 28k resistances on a frontline brawler type play style which is exactly what the WW is you are going to get killed very quickly. And if you’re dying to corrosive from anyone except the absolute best dk’s on your server then that is an experience and skill issue. To be blunt, most good PvP players can block through corrosive from most other players unless it’s timed very well with a good amount of burst behind it and a hard cc. You seem to have been caught by a standard dk combo that most would have been able to block or get away from entirely. I don’t want to sound cliche but you gotta learn to play before you blame the system. Also, take my suggestions and do some research on how to make yourself more tanky and honestly your w/sd numbers were pretty low too so you need to work on that as well.

Person is typing out a glued-together paragraph telling me that 28k resists and 45k health w/ major protection up is ‘squishy’ to a DK full penning my armor with corrosive.

This is the cope of legends.

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Jamm @Chase0351 - 4 responses in a row just to make sure this dying thread doesn’t fall off of the main page. I was hit with a 9k DK burst delay into a 28k whip with 28k resists. Oh, and they had 41k health and infinite sustain (I imagine) from core of flame also.

DK is plenty fine against wolf especially the average wolf I imagine (not that building resistance even matters against it)

Don’t take this the wrong way but 28k resistance is very low in current meta. Once you are debuffed with major and minor breach you’re down to roughly 19k and if you are fighting more than one player you may have more resistance debuffs on you lowering your already squishy resistance down even further. So at 28k resistance you are obviously not the kind of WW player/build that this thread is referring to. The meta ww builds are high resistance plus armor pots and high health which is why they can 1vX large Zergs and do very well. I’m talking 40k+ resistance easily and 40k+ health with infinite sustain and really good damage pressure plus you can’t outrun them either. These are the balance breaking builds that need to be addressed, not the casual builds. The casual builds are not even a factor.

Oh, and I made four separate posts because I wanted to address each of those four points individually instead of all in one long text block post.

I’m running the Signet meta/Warden mastery build (over here waiting for the inevitable nerfs as these 3 or so people literally don’t stop spinning it so) but with more pen and mag recovery. Mind you I’m both still killable if I don’t watch my Rampage and hold it until the entire Zerg jumps on me because I’m a HUGE target AND my damage on any of the 35k+ health builds is just… okay (ooooh, deficiencies)

I still have permanent major protection as well as corrosive full pens armor… but even if it didn’t… That’s a 20k or so whip (from the 28k there) and the other, smaller whip that came right before would have been 10k (instead of the 14k) as you can clearly see in the screenshot on the top of page 2…

That’s not counting the other burst move (yet another DK move) they hit me for or the one I’m sure didn’t even pop up on the recap. I was taking back as I was in Cyro and just passed by this person… and died.

It finally clicked when I saw that the DK in question has 41k health and then I was legitimately questioning how wolf is any different except I only have serious damage with a handful of builds for werewolf and none of them have actual burst outside of proc sets.

Edit (think I’ll put this on every page @React or @hoangdz bump this to; this was done TO an ‘unstoppable meta werewolf’ mind you):

@Wuuffyy sorry for this late reply but for some reason your screenshots did not show up on my end until now. Looking at your resistances it’s like I said earlier they are very low. And once the dk debuffs you with major and minor breach which they have built into their class kit you will be around ~19k resistances which is glass cannon one shot territory. So if you get your resistances to at least the 33k cap you will reduce those whips by quite a bit and I would even suggest you get your resistances closer to 40k to act as a buffer for the debuffs coming in so you’re still around 33k with major and minor breach on. This is very easy to do while still maintaining 6.5-7k wd and 8-10k base pen you just have to do some research and plan accordingly. Without divulging too much build info I will tell you I never get hit with whips even remotely close to 28k. Also, block more.

All y’all can mention are resistances (as if 28-29k with 45 health is remotely low)

You can literally see corrosive in the recap.

Even if that wasn’t up AND I had capped resistances (which is far more than building 33k in PvP due to natural pen)… it would have been a 10k whip, 7k core of flame, 5k incinerate, and a 20k whip.

THAT with 41k health and infinite bi-sustain from flame on that DK, mind you.

I see many of you running around with these things… using these things including React. Yet all you can give me excuses. Werewolf AREN’T doing this to you… werewolves CAN run out of mag. I CAN’T have major evasion and overbearing damage as I have to pick a morph.

These are lethal levels of cope from people who have been squatting on DK for multiple patches now. ‘my thing is fine and werewolf is the problem’. 2 bars nets you the ability to instantly kill a 45k health werewolf, there is your advantage.

Bro your resistances are low and that’s a fact. What do you want me to say that I haven’t already said? I’ve literally done more than most and tried to put you up on some game in order to educate you so you can correct your deficiencies because your entire argument in relation to the damage you took is entirely your fault and yours alone, specifically related to your build or lack there of. And your health as nice as it looks on your stat sheet is being let down big time by your very low resistance numbers. 40k+ health on a squishy build is not going to do anything for you if you don’t have the proper resistance levels to mitigate the incoming damage. You might as well have 20k health because at 28k resistances on a frontline brawler type play style which is exactly what the WW is you are going to get killed very quickly. And if you’re dying to corrosive from anyone except the absolute best dk’s on your server then that is an experience and skill issue. To be blunt, most good PvP players can block through corrosive from most other players unless it’s timed very well with a good amount of burst behind it and a hard cc. You seem to have been caught by a standard dk combo that most would have been able to block or get away from entirely. I don’t want to sound cliche but you gotta learn to play before you blame the system. Also, take my suggestions and do some research on how to make yourself more tanky and honestly your w/sd numbers were pretty low too so you need to work on that as well.

Person is typing out a glued-together paragraph telling me that 28k resists and 45k health w/ major protection up is ‘squishy’ to a DK full penning my armor with corrosive.

This is the cope of legends.

TLDR:

Also, take my suggestions and do some research on how to make yourself more tanky and honestly your w/sd numbers were pretty low too so you need to work on that as well.

*edit*

If you think 28k resistances are high you must be stuck in update 30 or something because that’s a delusion that no decent player is going to agree with in today’s meta considering how high damage currently is. 28k will get you melted pretty quickly. So it’s like I said, you could have 60k health but it might as well be 20k because if you’re running around as squishy as you are trying to go toe to toe with properly built players then I ca see why you’re here on the forums complaining. Also, practice blocking more.

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

No way the guy that constantly accuses people of being disingenuous about their collected data posted a screenshot of THE EMP in corrosive hitting him to try and paint a narrative that WW is still weak.

you can't make this up.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

1v1s are merely for practice or pure ego stroking, it has no bearing on the actual game itself. For instance people complaining about Heart of Fire being op, but when targeted by multiple people stun locking and hitting you, it alone aint saving you without a proper build to live through it, one that would seemingly help yall that think pulse gankers need the nerf. What react described as building super tanky in another thread to me was an average cyrodiil build and is probably why pulse gankers rarely one hit me alone, takes several or more at once to do that and usually its a lucky hit. Can probably count on one hand how many times thats happened.

At least heart of fire requires a cast whereas warden jellyfish was just free sustain plus the passive boost and worked as long as you had it up. Subclassed builds were far stronger than pure dk, people just didnt see it that way because the new dk was everywhere due to being new. Itll be the same with ww, and it is the same with pulse ganking, I already see less and less of them every day.

I can tell you from experience that heart/soul of flame will not heal or sustain you at all when fighting a Zerg. The animation alone slows you down when you are trying to kite and if you think you’re just going to stand your ground and hold block I’ve seen even the tankiest dedicated tanks get worn down eventually. Everyone talks about core of flame and its morphs being op honestly sound like they don’t know what they are talking about and are just regurgitating rhetoric they seen or heard online. Much like learned language models that teach ai how to think and speak. The fact is words like “op” and “broken” are typically used in build videos as click bait. But every now and then you do get some truly unbalanced broken stuff that gets released, like upper end of WW builds, pulse gankers, status effect builds. There’s nothing inherently wrong with these types of builds existing they just need to be toned down like the dk was recently. See, most dk’s can admit and agree that our class needed to be toned down a bit. But none of the ww mains on here can do that. Why? And all of the people still complaining about dk’s are not acknowledging that our main hard cc was nerfed big time. But we adapt as should everyone else when their crutch gets nerfed too.

Trust me, I know and I agree, but you'll find yourself at odds with @hoangdz if you say this lol.

about heart of flame specifically. Im a dk main not a werewolf main.

Don’t take this the wrong way but 28k resistance is very low in current meta. Once you are debuffed with major and minor breach you’re down to roughly 19k and if you are fighting more than one player you may have more resistance debuffs on you lowering your already squishy resistance down even further. So at 28k resistance you are obviously not the kind of WW player/build that this thread is referring to. The meta ww builds are high resistance plus armor pots and high health which is why they can 1vX large Zergs and do very well. I’m talking 40k+ resistance easily and 40k+ health with infinite sustain and really good damage pressure plus you

@Wuuffyy sorry for this late reply but for some reason your screenshots did not show up on my end until now. Looking at your resistances it’s like I said earlier they are very low. And once the dk debuffs you with major and minor breach which they have built into their class kit you will be around ~19k resistances which is glass cannon one shot territory. So if you get your resistances to at least the 33k cap you will reduce those whips by quite a bit and I would even suggest you get your resistances closer to 40k to act as a buffer for the debuffs coming in so you’re still around 33k with major and minor breach on. This is very easy to do while still maintaining 6.5-7k wd and 8-10k base pen you just have to do some research and plan accordingly. Without divulging too much build info I will tell you I never get hit with whips even remotely close to 28k. Also, block more.

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@hoangdz some clickbait esque YT videos dunking on low-skill riff raff. That’s present on any spec and class. Go search for DK and post some here or do you need me to cause I can imagine if that guy that killed me is in OW Cyro with 41k health and the ability to annihilate a 45k… with infinite bi-sustain through core of flame would have no issue posting at least an X clip or 2 sitting in Cyro every couple of hours.