would agree

personally im not a huge fan of that whole ball running phase, considering its like 80% of the actual trial and you have to repeat it 3 times

making the ball much more visible, increasing the timer to give pugs more of a chance to finish it, and reducing the number of times you have to run a ball would have made the trial more enjoyable

heck i would have been fine if they just got rid of the ball running altogether and it was mostly focused on the boss fight and other mechanics tied to the relics

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Remembering that ^^ and knowing the route through each area is not a big ask. If anything shortening the distance from which the glow can be seen would actually eliminate some misdirection that can happen, especially in the orange section.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Yes I know there are guides online - i just dont think having to learn routes by heart is a good experience tbh...

Remembering the routes is nothing in comparison to remembering what skills you need to fire and when, not to mention the other mechs that occur in the trial.

its not a big ask, but doesnt mean its not a poor experience

from my experience running the trial several times, its not a good experience, the only way i could see it being a better experience is if you run a minimap addon in which case that overhead map would make things easier, but if your not running a minimap, and have never been in the trial before, its very easy to get lost or not really know which way to go

the way i look at it is this is an event trial, its meant to be short and doable with pugs, they got short mostly in the bag except for the ball running, and good luck on getting 11 other people to coordinate the ball running if half or more have potentially never been in the trial especially without voice chat or minimap addons

the key situation also doesnt help (which is why most people only create groups for "people who know what to do" because then they have to go through the key grind again after its finished), but i wont derail on that dead horse

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Remembering that ^^ and knowing the route through each area is not a big ask. If anything shortening the distance from which the glow can be seen would actually eliminate some misdirection that can happen, especially in the orange section.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Yes I know there are guides online - i just dont think having to learn routes by heart is a good experience tbh...

Remembering the routes is nothing in comparison to remembering what skills you need to fire and when, not to mention the other mechs that occur in the trial.

Which of the red circles is supposed to be a red triangle, or does it not work that way? (Only been in once so far, and ran purple)

I also wish it wasn’t in your line of sight -trying to target the grapples with the orb in your face is a pain.

It should be more visible and have a tall pillar of light above it, or some other indicator of where to go. The through-the-wall outline is nice, but I've led a few pugs and it's often not obvious enough for them what they should do out there, which starts a cascading effect when groups 2 and 3 also can't tell what to do.

Not sure how helpful the light would be, but being able to access the three wings before the fight starts to explore it a bit might be helpful to groups that have never seen it

I have only done grapple side (red), but there was a large ghostly figure in the air, colored purple or orange, that seemed to indicate where to go. Orange guy in sky above orange ball, then once you pick it up, orange guy in sky moved to above where you need to go to hand off ball. You didn't need a minimap or any kind of detailed knowledge of layout beforehand. I am not sure if other zones have similar visual cues, but it was not hard to know where to go on grapple side.

I've seen a couple of these threads by now and some of you are saying misleading things, like saying for example, "it's not complicated".

To be honest, nothing is 'complicated' once you know it. But its getting there that is really complicated and frustrating. Its easy to say, "oh well you just follow this path" but saying it and um doing it are not exactly the same. Like the red area is full of these grapples, some are very hard to see. Especially if you are new. Very hard to get around, very easy to fall. It happens. And then this Trial is somewhat similar to other Trials, not unlike Vateshran where the environment changes and you have to change with it. No, its not impossible but can be complicated because you're jumping thru so many hoops. First I have to run this and then I have to do that. And then I have to soak.

It's very easy to miss a step and the Trial, much the same as running a Vateshran Trifecta is not forgiving of a mistake. And that's the rub. Cause most players, aside from the apathy of some, others are not 'mechanically' inclined to jump thru these many hoops. Runs I've been on, virtually everyone, or at least half the group is mentally, physically and emotionally worn out after the first set of relay runs. So, by the end when bosses come out and its time to soak again again and again, they are too tired to care. I looked over a YouTube walkthru today and just nu-uh. See what some of you need to understand is something I learned here. Its not all about you. Like 4 man runs and whatever, I'm used to just carrying people, a boss low on health, no problem I got it. Even when Tanking in NM no problem I got it. Done. I took care of it. Relax I'll work it out and so on so forth.

But that just doesn't work for Opulent. Everyone has got to be ready, or no one is ready. Everyone has got to be ready to hit the ground charging, or no one is. If you think this isn't complicated - great. But remember you are only one person. That approach will fail for this Trial. It won't happen unless everyone is onboard no matter how confident you want others to believe you are. They have to be able to bring themselves into that and instead of so much, "uh it ain't hard", "its easy", "uh I can run it with my eyes closed, "it ain't nothin but a thang" ok that is going to mess people up and it's not leadership. Its setting people up for failure just because you might have made it, beating your chest about it isn't going to bring others to the same finish line. Another thing to, if your Guild or your Trials Guild or any friends with experience in this arena or any association provided you with the talent and experience required for a run like this, then just say it. Say me and my Guild ran this and we made it thru. Say it like it is and wear the Title as that. I have friends who helped make this possible for me, I have connections and that's how I made it. "I ran it with experienced people who have talent and I admit I got lucky", you know say it like it is. Because absolutely no one completed this Trial on their own and not without the time, energy and guidance from somewhere else, someone with talent and experience for this type of thing. It doesn't happen any other way.

In fact, instead of talking about yourself so much, ya might just be further ahead and post a link to one of the videos on YouTube where someone with (who seems to display) genuine experience and actual compassion for people made the run and explained what you need to know. I'll be the first to admit I don't have the time or the nerves for this right now, maybe never but there are those who can actually help if this is what you want. Don't listen to anyone who doesn't encourage you to use existing resources and learn before proceeding is my final word on it. I'd wish you luck, but it won't help on this run.

It’s true everyone has to work together for this trial, one player can end the run because of the mechanics and the timed nature of the run. It’s not like other trials where you sort of get a checkpoint after an amount of progress and can restart from there, it’s all or nothing. If you fail you start back over at the beginning. It’s also a unique trial in that each run is not the same as another. You have three different color orbs and any of those can appear at any time, it’s random, and it’s random in which area it will go and the route it will take. It takes hours of running this to really know what is happening and where to go. Practice makes perfect though, and when the same people run together each time it becomes easier. Like I said before, staying with your group is essential if you do the relay. That will almost guarantee your success and it will almost certainly cause a fail if not followed.

Congrats on the clear and the no-death run.