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If You Force Everyone Into Gray Host, Fix the Queue System First

TheAwesomeChimpanzee
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Ever since Update 50 dropped and the alternative PvP campaigns to Gray Host were removed in favor of Vengeance, a campaign almost no one asked for and practically no one is playing, the Gray Host queues during primetime have skyrocketed exactly as many players predicted.

But the problem is not just the length of the queues. The queues themselves are breaking at an alarming rate.

Right now, players may have to queue at 7 PM EST just to get into Cyrodiil around 9 PM EST. Sitting through a two-hour queue is already absurd, but having that queue randomly break after waiting over an hour is completely unacceptable. In my own group of friends that I PvP with, we have already had multiple people lose their queue after waiting for more than an hour, forcing them to requeue into an even larger queue and potentially wait another two hours just to play the game.

ZoS, if you are going to push through changes that a large portion of the PvP community clearly dislikes, remove campaign options, release a replacement campaign that feels like an absolute joke, and force everyone into a single overcrowded campaign, then at the very least have the decency to fix the queue system first.

Broken queues have been a problem for years. Everyone knows this. The PvP community has been dealing with it forever. But now, after Update 50, the issue is even worse because players no longer have meaningful alternatives. You created the conditions for Gray Host to become overloaded, and then left players stuck with the same broken queue system that has been failing for years.

If the plan is to funnel nearly everyone into one campaign, then the queue system cannot keep randomly breaking. That should be the bare minimum.
  • Bokfink
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    I would also vote for additional Campaign or Blackreach to be brought back.

    Playing while waiting risk the queue breaking so people are sitting and wiggling their mouses for hours.

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  • Telel
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    They need a live moderator to go in and sweep for the bots sitting in corners almost all of the day.

    Not only does that make the queue get stupidly long it makes it harder for the players who're already getting zerged by the sweatiest of sweats.

    It's impossible to get low pop bonus now, and yet you'll see almost no AD through most of the mid afternoon. If you do they're often sitting in out of the way spots obviously using bot scripts to avoid being removed.

    Meanwhile the one PUG that's the sole AD group on is getting run over by three to four times its numbers just taking a resource.

    And Telel knows this because that's exactly what happened during the PUG groups they lead on Tuesday and today.
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  • Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO
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    Telel wrote: »
    They need a live moderator to go in and sweep for the bots sitting in corners almost all of the day.

    Not only does that make the queue get stupidly long it makes it harder for the players who're already getting zerged by the sweatiest of sweats.

    It's impossible to get low pop bonus now, and yet you'll see almost no AD through most of the mid afternoon. If you do they're often sitting in out of the way spots obviously using bot scripts to avoid being removed.

    Meanwhile the one PUG that's the sole AD group on is getting run over by three to four times its numbers just taking a resource.

    And Telel knows this because that's exactly what happened during the PUG groups they lead on Tuesday and today.

    Its bad on every faction like that, When I played on DC there were at least 20-30 AFK players spread around macroing which was basically 1bar or more of the population and thats before this patch.
    Edited by Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO on June 11, 2026 11:38PM
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  • ADawg
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    This disaster is so deliciously great, because we basically all predicted it.

    LOL

    D2R, so hot right now
  • Arrow312
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    Everyone of us knows it and told it....remove all the other camp and just add Vengence and GH will fail. Sometimes i ask myself why ZOS wants feedback if they dont care about it.
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  • BetweenMidgets
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    As far as I know, Zos has never responded to, or even acknowledged that this is a problem.
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  • xR3ACTORx
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    Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do
  • M33tr3
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    This is ZOS's plan. Romove the options we want but leave Gray Host knowing the queues will skyrocket and people will get frutrated. Either we break and start using Vengence or just stop playing and they don't have to support PVP in the game any more. This is what they want.
    'We agree we haven't been communicating as much as we should on this matter (among others) and for that, we apologize. There really is no excuse.' ~ @ZOS_GinaBruno , nov 2018
  • ArctosCethlenn
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    If dungeon queues were taking 1-2 hours it would be such a disaster that everyone at zos would be rushing to apologize, but since its a cyro problem it won't be acknowledged for another six months.
  • Goregram1
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    Once everyone gets tired of the shiny new toy's aka werewolf an the spam of the 2 other meta's que will go down. or just get sum troll/role-player to grief whatever team u want to que for an players will rage quit thats what happened to DC a few mounts ago an zos didn't care
  • Kartalin
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    Everyone seems to have their favorite tricks to prevent the queue from breaking. What I’ve heard, and I can at least add my own confirmation bias — don’t zone and don’t be in a player house. Not zoning is the tough one though. Generally I’ll pick a zone to farm mats and then queue from there.

    Regardless it’s absolutely annoying if your queue breaks and it needs to be looked at.
  • SaffronCitrusflower
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    I think it's all part of a scheme to force us into vengeance. It will never work, so it's disappointing that ZOS is trying it.
  • SaffronCitrusflower
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    If dungeon queues were taking 1-2 hours it would be such a disaster that everyone at zos would be rushing to apologize, but since its a cyro problem it won't be acknowledged for another six months.

    Or fixed by removing Grey Host and replacing it with a single keep map as they have proposed.
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