shadyjane62 wrote: »

Love Vengence so much that I actually resubbed for a month to see what's up. I had given up on ESO. It seems it lives another month in my house. Will sub for more if it's viable.

What do you mean resubbed for a month to see whats up? ESO has no monthly fee for gameplay you don't need a sub to try vengeance.

Lekjih wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Lucasl402 wrote: »

Ya, so awesome it can't even get past one bar population on opening day during prime time. Meanwhile, GH has a queue of over 80 players.

People vote with their feet and tell you what they really want. I've been saying this for years. EVERYONE wants to play in an alliance-locked campaign with CP and no other shenanigans restricting sets, skills, abilities, etc. So why not make all campaigns alliance locked to begin with and call it a day?

I don't want alliance locking on every campaign. I play characters in all three alliances. But otherwise yes, who wants to strip away the ESO flavour from ESO pvp.

When toxicity is the flavor, stripping it away is a good thing. Maybe you don't do it, but there at the end of BR, it was really getting old having to deal with the other faction coming in to trashtalk in an attempt to try to get people to say something so they can mass-report and get them banned. There were paid-for mass reporting campaigns against specific players. The shenanigans was at an all-time high and quite frankly, it killed the fun for us. Having ONLY one choice to play an alliance-locked campaign has been refreshing, at least in part, due to the fact that we don't have to deal with that crap anymore. We can log in, play, and log off without having to deal with any toxic behavior.

I appreciate Vengeance because it gives me another way to level alliance war aside from being bad at bgs because I’m not making a pvp build for every PvE character just to get barrier unlocked. I’m second hand sad about the removal of all the other Cyrodiils though. Grey Host and Vengeance doesn’t seem like enough options.

JustLovely wrote: »

Vengeance is hurting ESO big time already. The PvE'rs who claim to love vengeance wont stick with it, and without Blackreach queues for GH are so long people are just logging out now.

ZOS just keeps figuring out ways to convince people to log off. It sure doesn't seem like a very good business model to me.

BR was dead occupied by a dozen AD tryhards who swooped in to stomp any DC or EP unfortunate enough to wander past their gate. Still what I don't get is how BR could be so dead with the GH queue an hour deep.

HarfnUA wrote: »

Bo0137 wrote: »

Hi everyone! Updating the discussion: I just sank a load of hours into Vengeance. Yesterday I barely managed to sleep. Wow! This is so much fun! ESO is now a new game to me (I was doing only PvE for 12 years)

I recommend you play Vengeance as much as possible right now while there's still balance. Soon, due to queues in GH, strong players will start playing Vengeance more often. And I know for sure that a meta will emerge. There won't be any balance. The evil that's currently in GH will just move to Vengeance. But there is good news. Try to gain experience in PvP while you have the time. And as soon as you start feeling confident in PvP, you'll realise that Vengeance only limits you. Soon enough you'll be waiting in the GH queue yourself. PvP is like a drug. You always want more and stronger. And the most interesting thing is that over time you'll realise that what you once thought were 'broken builds' were just a lack of skill. Sure, there will still be issues with bug abuse and macroses usage by your opponents. But you'll also learn to use the 'mechanics of the game'. You'll build your own build, which others may well consider 'broken' too. I hope you have enough patience to gain enough experience in PvP.

Lmao why would strong players come to Venegance when they say they would rather boycott and queue for GH? What evil would come to Venegance if these strong players really do enter? Do you mean that GH players use lag switches and exploits?

I too agree on how awesome vengeance is.

It makes the idea of entering the cyrodiil pvp scene easier for players who don't want to bother with getting the right gears and abilities.

And in my opinion, vengeance makes the pvp part of eso esports viable.

ceruulean wrote: »

Lol well at least Venegance is better balanced than live.

It's hard to say about balance for now. We need to wait a bit. I think soon it will be clear where you can really abuse the 'meta'.

ceruulean wrote: »

I don't think people are mad that they die in 4-20 seconds against a good player. They get mad that they are pulled into bombs, 1-shot like in CoD, and that their roleplay builds fail in Greyhost.

Skill gap is not evil and most well-adjusted people understand that

And I completely agree with that. I’ve always found it strange to see players in BG with 20k HP who can’t even jump off a balcony because they get killed mid-air . Sometimes even right on the balcony. Then they go on the forum talking about some broken builds. I’m not the strongest player, of course, but I think I can hold my own a bit in PvP. And if there’s a chance to fight someone stronger than me, I’ll definitely take it. Everything I said earlier is just a suggestion for newbies to take their time and enjoy PvP with other beginners like them.

In my opinion Vengeance is an attempt to facilitate the future ease of introducing new armor sets with limited Dev's in an aging game. That way the issues of balancing between PVE and PVP can be mitigated. PVP by having the same load out that everyone has eliminates the balance issue of PVE /PVP proc sets. While I agree the proc conditions on some of the sets in gray host make for often terrible conditions, that is also part of the allure of PVP in ESO. The combinations that you can explore and the often funny outcome. Sure people abuse sets and some have little to no counter. These could have simply been made to be PVE only sets as it was always indicated in the PTS as being broken. Then released to the live server anyway(often unchanged), then nerfed into obscurity. PVE players that used these sets would suffer. Please Zos be Proactive and NOT reactive! Which brings us to the present. The jury is still out on Vengeance but looking at it objectively with no great love of either, I think vengeance will become dull and boring over time. Being shoehorned into the same loadouts with limited rewards do not make for dynamic and engaging game play. I understand this fits ZOS long term agenda as stated in my first sentence but could effectively isolate a PVP fan base that ESO has had as a selling point for many years. I urge everyone to try both and not solidify an opinion just yet. This could be either a blessing or a corse.

CptTekashi wrote: »

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Certainly. And when Vengeance reaches 2 bars during primetime, it is the full dev team + MS' worst-performing employees of the month obliged to pretend that the campaign is alive. That's where so many newbies trapped in mountains come from - everyone knows devs don't play their own game.

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tom6143346 wrote: »

I never played in all my 5000 hours more then 10 minutes PvP. Now I really enjoy, it’s awesome

Awesome, I'm glad you're loving it!

Honestly, you are the ideal person for vengence! Under 50, someone who wants to dip their toes into pvp, or someone who only has an hour to game a night, doesn't want to have to theory craft,, etc, Vengence is perfect for these people!

I do think Vengence has a home for a good group of people. However, the downstream impacts of a bunch of recent changes are having a HUGE hit on GH and the queues and at what point do people just leave eso and not come back because they sat through a 1-3 hour queue (not exaggerating here) or got kicked (after waiting in said queue) only to have to requeue into an even longer queue now.

Alot of the queue conversation consist of just getting into GH... no one is really talking about the mount of crashes/dc's you have during a play through each night and the amount of times you have to try to get back into the game. If you get kicked out of cyro when you crash or dc... you're done playing for the night... and thats truly unfortunate.

Update: I just hit Veterancy 50 yesterday. I’m still having a blast! Never thought I would find so much fun in PvP. Everyday I am playing a few hours after work. Can’t praise it enough

I'd like to see it faction locked and more unlocked like crafting skills. Without faction locked it will just be like Blackreach.

I'm about half way through veterancy from the weekend.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Vengeance is a fail by every measure. And I will never touch it again. ZOS will fix Grey Host performance or I will find something else to do with my time and money.

They cannot fix GH performance without altering the ruleset. Be it Venegance or some other version of cut down HoTs, DoTs and procs. So what ruleset would you be happy with?

They cannot get the current version of GH to work. Nobody can. Every game that has tried battles on this scale have run into the same problem. They are forced to limit abilities in order to maintain performance.

ZOS are bringing in a medium sized map in the near future to allow for the kind of free-wheeling builds in GH but on a smaller scale, which will mean less of a performance loss.

Not true.

They fixed Grey Host performance with a single maintenance before Mayhem events, then degraded it back down with one maintenance for years to accommodate the Mayhem events. When they replaced the servers performance was better than it had ever been. So ZOS knows exactly what needs to be done to improve performance. They've done it too many times in the past to not know.

Repeating state media propaganda will never solve problems or motivate those not upholding their contractual agreements.

The "medium sized map" is another bait and switch distraction from doing their job of fixing Grey Host, something they swore up and down they've been doing for a decade but only managed to actually achieve during the above mentioned instances.

ZOS built it, they can fix it. They know exactly how but are choosing not to for some reason.

EP vs DC going pretty hard right now.

Some of yas really don't like that people are having fun in vengeance eh?

I'm not opposed to Blackreach coming back as a farm campaign. It was mostly PVD before and will likely still be so still. We could get hundreds of thousands of AP very easily there.