SUPRISE ! People dont like VENGEANCE

L_Nici · June 8

SkillzMFG wrote: »

If all the PvE Andies claiming they love Vengenace in this thread jumped onto Vegeance, maybe it wouldn't have ZERO players in peak hours after a major Patch release.

LMAO

Yeah, its amazing. Everyone told them that is what would happen, as long as there is a choice, Vengeance is dead. It never even reached 2 bars today on release.

React · June 8

PC EU Primetime Vengeance population numbers, day one. At minimum, GH has more players than vengeance. It's hard to say how many more, since I believe one bar in vengeance on PC UI represents 0-99 players, while 2 bars represents 100-199 players. Pop locked GH is 360? With 50+ in queue. But there are also going to be a number of people who don't even bother playing PVP when they get home from work and realize they need to wait in a 1-2 hour queue just to get into grey host.

Controller/Console UI

Keyboard/PC UI

Alosis · June 8

Vengence on PC NA shows about 70 players on the overall scoreboard. 46 of them are EP and reds have taken over the map, likely because there is no competition from other factions.

SneaK · June 8

Vengeance has none of the U50 updates, literally, no masteries, no werewolf, nothing. It’s a terrible game mode for existing players. If they really intend on it being some sort of on ramp for new players they need to fix their marketing, most people have no clue ESO is a PvP game, because all the marketing is story driven cinematics.

It’s a shame so much resources have been put on this, can’t wait to sit in an hour long GH queue tonight during my 2 hour play window. Awesome.

Arboz · June 8

Im done with the Game, for sure I wont wait in a queue each evening now, in order to be able to visit Cyrodiil.
Time for new games, with smarter devs in case of PvP.
The Troll greets anyone who fought against him or at his side and wishes you all the best! .

alternatelder · June 8

SneaK wrote: »

Vengeance has none of the U50 updates, literally, no masteries, no werewolf, nothing. It’s a terrible game mode for existing players. If they really intend on it being some sort of on ramp for new players they need to fix their marketing, most people have no clue ESO is a PvP game, because all the marketing is story driven cinematics.

It’s a shame so much resources have been put on this, can’t wait to sit in an hour long GH queue tonight during my 2 hour play window. Awesome.

It's an mmorpg with pvp...like every mmo. Not a pvp game. Face the reality, not a single person will ever think of pvp when it comes to a TES game, 99% of the playerbase joined for story rich pve content.

SneaK · June 8

alternatelder wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Vengeance has none of the U50 updates, literally, no masteries, no werewolf, nothing. It’s a terrible game mode for existing players. If they really intend on it being some sort of on ramp for new players they need to fix their marketing, most people have no clue ESO is a PvP game, because all the marketing is story driven cinematics.

It’s a shame so much resources have been put on this, can’t wait to sit in an hour long GH queue tonight during my 2 hour play window. Awesome.

It's an mmorpg with pvp...like every mmo. Not a pvp game. Face the reality, not a single person will ever think of pvp when it comes to a TES game, 99% of the playerbase joined for story rich pve content.

Then why invest in Vengeance?

And for the record, I have never played another TES game and solely came to ESO at launch for Cyrodiil, wasn’t alone.

BardokRedSnow · June 8

First, they said Vengeance IS coming ._.

Now, Vengeance IS here ._.

*Cracks knuckles* oh yea now thats what I'm talking about, thats REAL skill based PvP bro, sweatlords beware.

We're so back, this is gonna show all those Greyhost enjoyers for sure bro.

Bernz007 · June 8

MMORPG Fails of 2026....Ashes of Creation...ESO's Vengeance might be next

React · June 9

PC/NA Primetime Population numbers, day one. Even worse than my previous post from PC EU earlier today during their primetime.

Controller/Console UI - Queue started at 100, I took this screenshot 30+ minutes after queuing.

Keyboard/PC UI - Queue started at 100, I took this screenshot 30+ minutes after queuing.

Gabriel_H · June 9

React wrote: »

Keyboard/PC UI - Queue started at 100, I took this screenshot 30+ minutes after queuing.

So there were about 360 in GH and 300 in Vengeance. Or how about a snapshot now?

So 300 in Vengeance and 160 in GH.

ZOS are not turning this ship around. They may alter Vengeance but even if they do the fundamental base of it will still be a system with less server calculations, less HoTs, less DoTs, less AoEs, less targets hit, less procs - because those things are what are causing the performance issues.

fizzybeef · June 9

Gabriel_H wrote: »

React wrote: »

Keyboard/PC UI - Queue started at 100, I took this screenshot 30+ minutes after queuing.

So there were about 360 in GH and 300 in Vengeance. Or how about a snapshot now?

So 300 in Vengeance and 160 in GH.

ZOS are not turning this ship around. They may alter Vengeance but even if they do the fundamental base of it will still be a system with less server calculations, less HoTs, less DoTs, less AoEs, less targets hit, less procs - because those things are what are causing the performance issues.

I mean yes you’re right about the bar numbers but it doesn’t change the fact nobody plays vengeance, this following quote literally is all the same on all platforms and servers

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

First, they said Vengeance IS coming ._.

Now, Vengeance IS here ._.

*Cracks knuckles* oh yea now thats what I'm talking about, thats REAL skill based PvP bro, sweatlords beware.

We're so back, this is gonna show all those Greyhost enjoyers for sure bro.

Lucasl402 · June 9

Gabriel_H wrote: »

React wrote: »

Keyboard/PC UI - Queue started at 100, I took this screenshot 30+ minutes after queuing.

So there were about 360 in GH and 300 in Vengeance. Or how about a snapshot now?

So 300 in Vengeance and 160 in GH.

ZOS are not turning this ship around. They may alter Vengeance but even if they do the fundamental base of it will still be a system with less server calculations, less HoTs, less DoTs, less AoEs, less targets hit, less procs - because those things are what are causing the performance issues.

True enough. It's pretty hard to stop a sinking ship.

Today prime time vengeance can't field more than one bar population on opening day. Meanwhile GH is pop locked with a queue over 80.

amiiegee · June 9

The thing is, everyone knew Vengeance would not be accepted or prefered by the people. Even ZOS knew it, they didn’t release the surveys results for a reason, im pretty sure.

Ofc there has been a noisy minority on the forums hardcore defending it but aside of that we could see it on every forced vengeance test, the interest was just not there and people were happy, when it was over.

It was just to late and they didn’t change the course anymore for what ever reason and that’s truely a shame.
The time and money wich was invested into that game mode wich will remain mostly empty now could of been spend better on the progress of the game, to fix performance in pvp - even if Greyhost doesn’t support 900 people cap, they could of aimed for 750 for example but with a better performance. So it would of been 250 per faction, but now instead we have a dead game mode and loads of this :

Luneca · June 9

If I can't make 5 coldharbours hit my enemies at the same time and vaporize them, then it isn't an enjoyable experience. I'll only go to PvP if I can fire siege. Lots of siege. If not, it's pointless.

Aces-High-82 · June 9

After playing yesterday evening for an hour in GH I switched to Vengeance. Boy it was night n day. GH performance is such bad its more a lottery than responsive gameplay. I was very hyped to try different pureclass builds but sweet lord with that massive delay, desyncs as soon as more then 5 ppl being in the same cell and inputs not registering 30% of the time GH drove me away very quickly.

L_Nici · June 9

Well I guess that finally answers that question completely without the need of Population bars.

Fett233 · June 9

Imagine having to get rid of the other campaigns just to force players to play this vengeance. It’s absolute garbage.

LittleLionLeone · June 9

Fett233 wrote: »

Imagine having to get rid of the other campaigns just to force players to play this vengeance. It’s absolute garbage.

They were removed because they were empty 99% of the time. What's with the flood of pvp players suddenly acting like they cared about those dead campaigns?

Durham · June 9

I don't care about Vengeance, but what I do care about is that they shut down the overflow server, Blackreach. This server would go 2 to 3 bars easily during prime time with people waiting to get into Greyhost. People I know are extremely unhappy with the lack of choices that we previously had.

decairn · June 9

I saw DC on PCNA get to 2 bar Vengeance for a bit, but nothing higher. People are excited about werewolf and class mastery changes, and Blackreach refugees hit Gray Host yesterday too. Give it a week or two to settle down and we see what's up, but I think Vengeance will be a slow burn if at all to get acceptance and movement of players from Gray Host/Blackreach.

If there really isn't much to be done about improving Gray Host performance, the natural thing to do is actually reduce population cap, but I'd only want that to happen on a new smaller map (I know ZOS are working on a new map but they haven't said if it is Vengeance rules or Gray Host). And then put some work into how multiple campaigns with alliance lock can work towards singular month-long alliance faction goal so that multiple maps are active and coordinated to tackle the queueing woes..

Avran_Sylt · June 9

LittleLionLeone wrote: »

Fett233 wrote: »

Imagine having to get rid of the other campaigns just to force players to play this vengeance. It’s absolute garbage.

They were removed because they were empty 99% of the time. What's with the flood of pvp players suddenly acting like they cared about those dead campaigns?

They cared about them because it let them PvE/sell things like emperorship and the like.

BardokRedSnow · June 9

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

After playing yesterday evening for an hour in GH I switched to Vengeance. Boy it was night n day. GH performance is such bad its more a lottery than responsive gameplay. I was very hyped to try different pureclass builds but sweet lord with that massive delay, desyncs as soon as more then 5 ppl being in the same cell and inputs not registering 30% of the time GH drove me away very quickly.

Yea greyhost performance also improves when no one is in it, like vengeance yesterday.

blktauna · June 9

Bars mean nothing.unless you specify what a bar equals in actual numbers? And there have been more than enough folks in Vengence to have an enjoyable time. And I'm enjoying it hugely.

BardokRedSnow · June 10

blktauna wrote: »

Bars mean nothing.unless you specify what a bar equals in actual numbers? And there have been more than enough folks in Vengence to have an enjoyable time. And I'm enjoying it hugely.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

First, they said Vengeance IS coming ._.

Now, Vengeance IS here ._.

*Cracks knuckles* oh yea now thats what I'm talking about, thats REAL skill based PvP bro, sweatlords beware.

We're so back, this is gonna show all those Greyhost enjoyers for sure bro.

amiiegee · June 10

WHO even thought this would be a good idea?

BardokRedSnow · June 10

amiiegee wrote: »

WHO even thought this would be a good idea?

Now that its dead the usual ones who champion its coming here probably aint in a hurry to come back and eat crow.

LennaTheRussian · June 10

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

First, they said Vengeance IS coming ._.

Now, Vengeance IS here ._.

*Cracks knuckles* oh yea now thats what I'm talking about, thats REAL skill based PvP bro, sweatlords beware.

We're so back, this is gonna show all those Greyhost enjoyers for sure bro.

3:22 pm on a Monday, not even prime time btw. Completely useless screenshot, most people are at work. I'll screenshot the same time on greyhost and you'll complain that it's not prime time like you have before.

blktauna · June 10

I don't get why you have to put down Vengence. The people that want to go there will go there and the people who want GH will go there. Mutually exclusive groups, mostly.

If you have a problem with GH not being big enough, Yell at ZOS. If you want a blackreach type of overflow, yell at ZOS. That will get you what you need.

The folks in Vengence are doing their thing and it's got nothing to do with GH.

SneaK · June 10

blktauna wrote: »

I don't get why you have to put down Vengence. The people that want to go there will go there and the people who want GH will go there. Mutually exclusive groups, mostly.

If you have a problem with GH not being big enough, Yell at ZOS. If you want a blackreach type of overflow, yell at ZOS. That will get you what you need.

The folks in Vengence are doing their thing and it's got nothing to do with GH.

While I’m sure that sentiment is shared amongst the small group of pVengeance folk, ZOS put regular Cyrodiil on the back burner for Vengeance, and people have every right to be upset about it. We now have longer queues, only one campaign for 3 alliances, and the ever looming threat of ZOS deleting our game mode.

So no, no quarter given. It’s yall vs us.