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DarkDajin
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Based on https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/69939
Given that I have heard conflicting stories. Is it true that Vengeance will be the only campaign remaining?
If so, I'll be mourning the loss of my tanky Nightblade. Also, it's going to be a pain to do the PvE stuff with Vengeance loadouts.
Don't get me wrong, I like Vengeance every now and then. But if it's forced...
Given that I have heard conflicting stories. Is it true that Vengeance will be the only campaign remaining?
If so, I'll be mourning the loss of my tanky Nightblade. Also, it's going to be a pain to do the PvE stuff with Vengeance loadouts.
Don't get me wrong, I like Vengeance every now and then. But if it's forced...
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Gabriel_H✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No it isn't the only campaign.
As someone who tested Vengeance, the PvE in Cyro is considerably easier.PC EU
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anadandy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, its not true. Vengeance and Grey Host (really wish they'd take this opportunity to get a new campaign name) will be running simultaneously. It was in one of the dev live streams.5 -
L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭Based on https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/69939
Given that I have heard conflicting stories. Is it true that Vengeance will be the only campaign remaining?
If so, I'll be mourning the loss of my tanky Nightblade. Also, it's going to be a pain to do the PvE stuff with Vengeance loadouts.
Don't get me wrong, I like Vengeance every now and then. But if it's forced...
It won't be the only one, but they close 3 of the other campaigns. Blackreach, NoCP and Below 50 get removed and everyone gets forced into Grey Host to 200+ Queues, or you play Vengeance. If you want to play with friends in other alliances? To bad, Grey Host is Alliance locked, so you either play alone or you play Vengeance. Then there is the Veterancy System, either you play Grey Host and get less than half the rewards or you play Vengeance and get everything. Completely your choice though.Edited by L_Nici on June 4, 2026 3:00PMPC|EU3 -
DarkDajin✭✭That still makes it sound forced. Alliance lock is account wide right?
What about digging up treasure maps with alts from other alliances, that'll only be possible in Vengeance?1 -
L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭That still makes it sound forced. Alliance lock is account wide right?
What about digging up treasure maps with alts from other alliances, that'll only be possible in Vengeance?
That was the point I tried to make. Of course its forced, not by removing the actual PvP, but by making it as unattractive as possible.Edited by L_Nici on June 4, 2026 4:22PMPC|EU2 -
Gabriel_H✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That still makes it sound forced. Alliance lock is account wide right?
What about digging up treasure maps with alts from other alliances, that'll only be possible in Vengeance?
That was the point I tried to make. Of course its forced, not by removing the actual PvP, but by making it as unattractive as possible.
"Actual PvP"? It's still PvP just with a different ruleset.
As for forced, current Cyrodiil is a buggy, unbalanced, performance nightmare. ZOS have said they cannot fix the underlying performance issues without making sweeping changes to how things work. i.e. Vengeance.
The current state of Cyrodiil is unappealing. It's population cap has been lowered and lowered to the point you can ride across the entire map and never see another player.
I'm not a fan of Vengeance, I think there were better ways to address the performance issues, but I still find it more appealing than constant loadscreens, skills not firing, desyncs, massive fps drops, and unbalanced builds. Time will tell if others agree.That still makes it sound forced. Alliance lock is account wide right?
What about digging up treasure maps with alts from other alliances, that'll only be possible in Vengeance?
Or, as I alluded to above, just ride across the map in GH. You won't encounter anybody 99.9% of the time.PC EU
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tomofhyrule✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Or, as I alluded to above, just ride across the map in GH. You won't encounter anybody 99.9% of the time.
Implying that GH will have no queue and anyone can just jump in though.
The GH pop cap is 360 (120 per alliance). As we have seen from every Vengeance test thus far, the majority of the GH population does not play Vengeance. Many of them use Blackreach or BGs as a ‘waiting room’ while they wait for the GH queue to pop (especially now that you can’t start a queue from IC). They won’t have that option anymore.
Without a proper waiting room, this incentivizes people to afk into a wall at base so they can stay in the zone, blocking others from getting in. Even without that, the GH regulars will not be happy if they’re squeezed out of their preferred mode of play by new people.
Essentially if you can’t get into GH, then you’re forced into Vengeance. Some servers are quiet enough that that won’t be an issue, but more populated servers will cap the only non-Vengeance campaign.
I realize the devs said that they’d consider opening more campaigns if the queues were bad enough to merit it, but they didn’t mention anything if we end up with a circumstance where GH is poplocked with a 100+ queue while Vengeance is perpetually at one bar. That still shows there is space for people to get into Cyrodiil… but the demand is not met at all.
They seem to be assuming players who want to play Cyrodiil will play it in either mode and not care, but as we know there are a significant number of GH players who will not touch Vengeance with a ten foot pole.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I go to Blackreach to check the Golden on the weekends. Will she be in Vengeance if GH is full?
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Gabriel_H✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭tomofhyrule wrote: »Or, as I alluded to above, just ride across the map in GH. You won't encounter anybody 99.9% of the time.
Implying that GH will have no queue and anyone can just jump in though.
The GH pop cap is 360 (120 per alliance). As we have seen from every Vengeance test thus far, the majority of the GH population does not play Vengeance.
Based on what? Forum posts?!
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moderatelyfatman✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭katanagirl1 wrote: »I go to Blackreach to check the Golden on the weekends. Will she be in Vengeance if GH is full?
Doesn't look like it. Only Grey Host and Vengeance.
I think this is by design, so people queueing for GH will have no choice but to wait for Vengeance. I guess you can queue up for Cyrodiil in IC as long as you have no telvar when you joining the queue.0 -
Maitsukas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭katanagirl1 wrote: »I go to Blackreach to check the Golden on the weekends. Will she be in Vengeance if GH is full?
The Golden was on the U50 PTS Vengeance campaign and was completely interactable.PC-EU @maitsukas
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LadyGP✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Based on https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/69939
Given that I have heard conflicting stories. Is it true that Vengeance will be the only campaign remaining?
If so, I'll be mourning the loss of my tanky Nightblade. Also, it's going to be a pain to do the PvE stuff with Vengeance loadouts.
Don't get me wrong, I like Vengeance every now and then. But if it's forced...
It won't be the only one, but they close 3 of the other campaigns. Blackreach, NoCP and Below 50 get removed and everyone gets forced into Grey Host to 200+ Queues, or you play Vengeance. If you want to play with friends in other alliances? To bad, Grey Host is Alliance locked, so you either play alone or you play Vengeance. Then there is the Veterancy System, either you play Grey Host and get less than half the rewards or you play Vengeance and get everything. Completely your choice though.
Your choice - almost feels forced... doesn't it. Another FOMO grab.
Sucks new leadership has been amazing on the PVE side of the house getting rid of this mindset... yet the PvP side is still stuck with tunnel vision.LadyGP/xCatGuy
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BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, its not true. Vengeance and Grey Host (really wish they'd take this opportunity to get a new campaign name) will be running simultaneously. It was in one of the dev live streams.
considerably more boring yes.tomofhyrule wrote: »
They seem to be assuming players who want to play Cyrodiil will play it in either mode and not care, but as we know there are a significant number of GH players who will not touch Vengeance with a ten foot pole.
Amen, that is me, and I don't know if its zos not knowing this or refusing to acknowledge it, it is an even 50 50 on likelihood.tomofhyrule wrote: »Or, as I alluded to above, just ride across the map in GH. You won't encounter anybody 99.9% of the time.
Implying that GH will have no queue and anyone can just jump in though.
The GH pop cap is 360 (120 per alliance). As we have seen from every Vengeance test thus far, the majority of the GH population does not play Vengeance.
Based on what? Forum posts?!
Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
Zos now: Do you want Vengeance permanent or permanent...1 -
reazea✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭We need a non faction locked CP enabled campaign like blackreach. We need this because most PvP players won't touch vengeance and Blackreach was a good activity while waiting for Grey Host queue to hit.
I'm terrified of jumping in and out of vengeance campaigns. I'm afraid something might screw up my build or account while changing game modes. And I won't play vengeance under any circumstances.1 -
Gabriel_H✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »No, its not true. Vengeance and Grey Host (really wish they'd take this opportunity to get a new campaign name) will be running simultaneously. It was in one of the dev live streams.
considerably more boring yes.tomofhyrule wrote: »
They seem to be assuming players who want to play Cyrodiil will play it in either mode and not care, but as we know there are a significant number of GH players who will not touch Vengeance with a ten foot pole.
Amen, that is me, and I don't know if its zos not knowing this or refusing to acknowledge it, it is an even 50 50 on likelihood.tomofhyrule wrote: »Or, as I alluded to above, just ride across the map in GH. You won't encounter anybody 99.9% of the time.
Implying that GH will have no queue and anyone can just jump in though.
The GH pop cap is 360 (120 per alliance). As we have seen from every Vengeance test thus far, the majority of the GH population does not play Vengeance.
Based on what? Forum posts?!
*sigh* Still ignoring facts? GH has a third the player cap of Vengeance. On the Gamepad UI the 3 bars are not aligned with PC. 1 Bar on PC = 0 on Gamepad. Pop locked on PC = 3 on Gamepad. This has been explained to you dozens of times. Get new material.
Oh, and do I have to explain the difference between a snapshot and a long term trend too? How about instead of cherry picking and presenting out of context you actually engage to help make Vengeance better?
Edit: Oh and not for nothing but the guild numbers there tell a more accurate story.Edited by Gabriel_H on June 5, 2026 6:37PMPC EU
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