Does the Green Champion Tree really need slottables?

NikoSquared · May 30

Pretty much just the title, there's only 2 scenarios where you'd ever need to swap your Green Slottables, and that's if you're Fishing, Resource Farming, or Thieving...

Most players will just stick to one, and to everyone else it can be frustrating to have to swap it out, especially when the bonuses are so crucial for their relevant activities.

There is pretty much no reason to ever swap anything out unless you do a mix of those things, and if you do it becomes tedious to remember every time that "Oh, I need to slot my fishing bonuses" and "Oh, I need to slot my harvesting bonuses" and "Oh, I need to slot my Thieving bonuses"... Should it really be like this when none of these have any effect on Combat?

LunaFlora · May 30

i think more should be passive.
But i think the speed abilities in the Craft Constellation should be slottables as we do not always want to be a speedster.

so i do not think it is fine as is nor do i think all abilities should be passive.

Radiate77 · May 30

All the Green Champion stars should be passively enabled

LunaFlora wrote: »

i think more should be passive.
But i think the speed abilities in the Craft Constellation should be slottables as we do not always want to be a speedster.

so i do not think it is fine as is nor do i think all abilities should be passive.

Were Champion Point respec’s made free?
Can’t remember.

Thormar · May 30

CP respecs aren't free. Only skill and attribute respecs are free, and it's a recent change.
https://i.ibb.co/5xh6M1ms/Arent-free.jpg

Marronsuisse · May 30

LunaFlora wrote: »

i think more should be passive.
But i think the speed abilities in the Craft Constellation should be slottables as we do not always want to be a speedster.

so i do not think it is fine as is nor do i think all abilities should be passive.

Good point, I often take the speed constellation off my slottables, usually when I want to have a personality’s animations show up correctly. It would suck to spend 3000g every time I wanted to slow down a bit.

spartaxoxo · May 30

No, it's fine as it is

I voted for fine as is but I'd want the only wants I'd want to unslot are the bounty clear and speed.

Elvenheart · May 31

LunaFlora wrote: »

i think more should be passive.
But i think the speed abilities in the Craft Constellation should be slottables as we do not always want to be a speedster.

so i do not think it is fine as is nor do i think all abilities should be passive.

This is my point of view exactly.

Radiate77 · May 31

All the Green Champion stars should be passively enabled

Thormar wrote: »

CP respecs aren't free. Only skill and attribute respecs are free, and it's a recent change.
https://i.ibb.co/5xh6M1ms/Arent-free.jpg

Then that is where I would start. 😁

SilverBride · May 31

All the Green Champion stars should be passively enabled

I don't use the speed abilities because I really dislike going that fast, so I just don't put any points in those.

Gabriel_H · May 31

No, it's fine as it is

NikoSquared wrote: »

Pretty much just the title, there's only 2 scenarios where you'd ever need to swap your Green Slottables, and that's if you're Fishing, Resource Farming, or Thieving...

4 Tasks, or lets say roles for sake of ease:

Fishing
Resource Farming
Thieving/Assassination (Stealth)
PvP/Travel (Mount speed and Stamina)

Similar to how in Blue and Red you have slotables that are more orientated to one of 4 tasks:

Healing
Damage
Tanking
PvP

There are also three differences to consider:

The Green roles are typically out of combat actions
The swapping of CPs can be automated (and has been in large part: JackOfAllTrades)
You can slot all the Green CPs needed for 3 out of 4 roles at the same time.

For Stealth there is technically a problem in that there are 5 useable slotables and only 4 slots:
Friends in Low Places
Steed's Blessing
Fade Away
Shadow Strike
Sustaining Shadows

The last is functionally junk. For example, my base sustain is around 300 stamina per second. The cost of moving while sneaking even in my least stealthiest sets is 160 stamina per second.

Edit: Formatiing

SkaiFaith · May 31

Personally, I'd love them all passives, but I get there could be a sense of roleplay from having to slot them, like "this character is my fisherman; this is my thief" etc... And that would get lost if they were all just passives. So Idk...

Nemesis7884 · May 31

No, it's fine as it is

Kinda torn...rpg wise it does kinda make sense that not everyone can be everything but it is less convenient

BardokRedSnow · May 31

No, it's fine as it is

SilverBride wrote: »

I don't use the speed abilities because I really dislike going that fast, so I just don't put any points in those.

Sister, stuff like this is likely why you have a hard time with those dragons in IA. Speed is a big deal in pretty much all content unless you're tanking, and even then arguably you still need some on occasion.

SilverBride · May 31

All the Green Champion stars should be passively enabled

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I don't use the speed abilities because I really dislike going that fast, so I just don't put any points in those.

Sister, stuff like this is likely why you have a hard time with those dragons in IA. Speed is a big deal in pretty much all content unless you're tanking, and even then arguably you still need some on occasion.

I tried the faster speeds when they were introduced and hated it. I felt as though I was in a mad frenzy all the time. Maybe it would help with me the IA dragons, maybe it wouldn't, but it would come at the cost of making the rest of my play time miserable just for one fight I rarely encounter.

Marronsuisse · May 31

SilverBride wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I don't use the speed abilities because I really dislike going that fast, so I just don't put any points in those.

Sister, stuff like this is likely why you have a hard time with those dragons in IA. Speed is a big deal in pretty much all content unless you're tanking, and even then arguably you still need some on occasion.

I tried the faster speeds when they were introduced and hated it. I felt as though I was in a mad frenzy all the time. Maybe it would help with me the IA dragons, maybe it wouldn't, but it would come at the cost of making the rest of my play time miserable just for one fight I rarely encounter.

That's why people are saying it's nice that speed is slottable; you can toggle it on and off. You can use it when you need it and keep it off the rest of the time.

SilverBride · May 31

All the Green Champion stars should be passively enabled

Marronsuisse wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I don't use the speed abilities because I really dislike going that fast, so I just don't put any points in those.

Sister, stuff like this is likely why you have a hard time with those dragons in IA. Speed is a big deal in pretty much all content unless you're tanking, and even then arguably you still need some on occasion.

I tried the faster speeds when they were introduced and hated it. I felt as though I was in a mad frenzy all the time. Maybe it would help with me the IA dragons, maybe it wouldn't, but it would come at the cost of making the rest of my play time miserable just for one fight I rarely encounter.

That's why people are saying it's nice that speed is slottable; you can toggle it on and off. You can use it when you need it and keep it off the rest of the time.

Oh I never thought of doing that. Thanks!

Northwold · May 31

Just a wording point if you're able to edit. The subheading of the poll suggests a yes no answer but the stated answers in the poll are actually the reverse of what a yes no answer to the subheading would deliver. (unless they've changed the system you may not be able to edit it though)

anadandy · May 31

Its better than it was. I was really annoyed when Champ 2.0 first came out so many skill passives, like Treasure Hunter, got moved to slottable stars. They changed that a few updates ago and now I hardly ever have all 4 green stars slotted at all. (I'm a klutz and have to turn off Steeds Blessing on my Bosmer, who is already super speedy, occasionally or I run off cliffs and ledges lol)

Cooperharley · May 31

All the Green Champion stars should be passively enabled

I would probably split the difference here.

Most of the Green tree stars that are purely non-combat convenience could safely become passive once purchased. Things like harvesting, fishing, and thieving bonuses do not really create combat balance problems, and swapping them manually mostly adds busywork.

That said, I do understand why movement speed is different. Some players do not always want extra speed because it can affect housing, RP, jumping puzzles, personalities, or just general comfort. So I would either leave speed-related stars slottable, or add a separate toggle for them.

The bigger issue to me is that the Green tree should feel like quality-of-life progression, not a memory test before every activity. More passive utility, free CP respecs, or simple preset buttons would all help without hurting combat balance.

katanagirl1 · June 1

No, it's fine as it is

It was so bad before I don’t want them messing with it ever again.

CatalinaWineMixer2 · June 2

No, it's fine as it is

I had to say no because there are certain times you might not want some of the boosts like trying to catch uncut fish and not catching the rare ones like you were fishing with someone else. Or as others have pointed out, their horse might be moving so fast they're jumping off a cliff😂 I jest.

The thought of something going wrong with changing the champion system is more worrisome. I often miss the veteran points system for a lot of reasons. I definitely see what you're saying, should we be having to slot or change these things? A bit of yes and no I think. I really wish there was an honest incentive to reach cp3600 but there truly isn't. You really dont get anything by doing so except a grindy headache if you try to rush that.

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