Soarora wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

The first NM trial I joined ended up being a no death run. I either didn’t see it or clicked on the wrong listing. Once I realized it I offered to leave the group because I was afraid I would ruin their run. They graciously let me stay. I had plenty of practice up to that point and was on the orange team. This was a score pushing trifecta team and their damage and healing was top notch, they made it easy.

I also don't have access to the super talented 'friends' who can make this happen for me. No one knows me unless they either a) They want something b) Want to blame me for something.

You could join guilds until you find an open run. Open first come, first serve rosters do not require you to know anyone. Actually, my first pathfinder was with people way above my skill level because the roster was open. My second was a group I ran, including people I hadn’t met before or really talked to.

People probably do know you, if you interact with the community. I, personally, have no awareness of how other people view me except by what people tell me. From what I’ve been told, I’m more known than I think I am (I don’t know to what extent since I don’t realize I’m known). Could potentially be the same or similar for you?

This is my choice and one that must be made yet never precluded reaching out to anyone for my part.

(Cut everything else because otherwise this would be a very long message).

I see, so, if I’m interpreting this correctly, you have become jaded from bad experiences where people have sought a quick clear with no tolerance for struggle? It does not mean that kindness is not acquirable (though I don’t mean to imply invalidation of your feelings, you don’t need to change your mind, I just ramble). I get a sense (I may be wrong, take with some salt) that there are two general groups of group finder and of guilds:

For group finder, there are the leads who do not know anything. The group may be chill, but skill is very low and clearing isn’t an inevitability. There are also the leads who do know things but they expect group finder to be low skill, and thus frustrated off the bat, expecting things to go poorly yet wanting them to go quickly and smoothly, thus low tolerance for failure.

For guilds, there are leads who want a quick clear, expecting people to know what they’re doing, either because the lead needs the clear themselves or because they don’t want to spend a lot of time on helping other people. This is valid, not everyone has tolerance for long progs but may still want to help people (personally, I’m kind of between this and the next, in which I don’t mind progs but I expect people to learn quickly). There are also leads, though, who run training runs and are patient. It’s not incredibly rare on PC/NA, but I don’t believe such runs would be commonplace in group finder nor do I know the prevalence of such runs on other servers.

We all have expectations. So, there's no need to rush in and defend anyone. I mean, I get it. Different folks, come from different places, different uh perspectives, thus different expectations. I'm fine with that.

But some things never change and people rarely change. Time changes people. Which is why I typically don't engage in or condone you know things like personal attacks or going after someone else's different expectations. There's no way to change that. But Time has a way of changing things and so I trade my expectations for clarity, I don't get mad I get patient. And it pays off more than engaging in a firefight with every Rhodes Scholar and self-proclaimed uh super guild leader person whom there is no reasoning with because they don't know how to listen. Some of them are so hasty to criticize so harshly my goodness how full of themselves they can be. Not all but some for absolute certain.

All the energy in the world would go to waste in these little contests and games we play fighting over everyone's expectations which are largely a waste of time except for the fact that things can change over time and thankfully there isn't much that can be done about it.

I can definitely understand why there's a focus on "No Death" trials at this point in the Night Market cycle. It's relatively easy to do compared to many trifectas and there's also a FOMO factor to get the title and achievement before the event ends.

As to the trial itself, I think this is possibly the most fun one in the game and it's certainly the highlight of the Night Market. No significant DPS checks, minimal one-shot mechanics, just a focus on teamwork and communication. I really enjoyed the Opulent Ordeal and I hope we see more trials like this in the future.

Lokiator wrote: »

I can definitely understand why there's a focus on "No Death" trials at this point in the Night Market cycle. It's relatively easy to do compared to many trifectas and there's also a FOMO factor to get the title and achievement before the event ends.

As to the trial itself, I think this is possibly the most fun one in the game and it's certainly the highlight of the Night Market. No significant DPS checks, minimal one-shot mechanics, just a focus on teamwork and communication. I really enjoyed the Opulent Ordeal and I hope we see more trials like this in the future.

Basically, the opposite of what I had said. So, you think this is the most fun Trial in the game huh and it's the highlight of the Night Market. Well, let me be perhaps the first to tell you that what we have now is a divergence. Because you have two sides of the community, anyone who makes it will say whatever good things. But you have the other side that has to deal with your shadow, so to speak. Because the problem with this Trial is getting that teamwork and communication to work out, in essence getting that switch flipped.

And dare I say, many of us won't be able to do that because it's just something that requires a level of cooperation that doesn't exist with most players. Like when I was on AD, I couldn't even get a ball group to rez me or the other person who was there, yet they'll spend like less than a minute running to a keep and death porting before they'll rez anyone else. They don't care... so we're saying what is an organized group with experience, cannot stop and give none of us there less than 10 seconds for a rez before they all suicide themselves but uh, I'm supposed to expect cooperation on something like this? We can't even stop being so self-centered to uh do minor, simple, relatively inexpensive acts of courtesy or support (kindness) but yet Opulent will be just fine huh?

So no like I said, there is no expectation from me for people to be helpful. I know better. You who made it, you all got lucky. You did. And again, I think that's great, but I don't think this is a good model for the game... at all. Unless it's an A&B conversation and all this rest of us little people just need stay out. And it seems to me this is exactly what it is. It not an inclusive Trial it is a Trial for the elite to gain their bragging rights and leave the rest of us in the dust. Which really, is nothing new if you think about it. Alright well, nothing more to be said here, back to the shadows and delightful obscurity.