9000 Tome Points with 6 weeks to go on the free track...

NikoSquared · May 27

I like the Tomes system over the old Endeavors system, but I've already obtained 9000 Tome Points of overflow by keeping up with Challenges since release...

Now there's nothing I can spend it on unless I pay?

Doesn't this defeat the purpose of a Pass-like system? To keep players engaged weekly on tasks ad infinitum?

I don't think telling Players to "Cough up $15 or go away for 6 weeks" is a good marketing strategy, or a good strategy for overall Player engagement... lol

thedocbwarren · May 27

It also sounds like next update they charge gold to re-roll so you will be deincentified to even bother with these. If you reroll and pay you get a lot of extra that gets transferred to gold, but then why do them in the first place? What exactly is the motivation for completing these tasks?

DoofusMax · May 27

@thedocbwarren See my correction to that assumption on the other thread. For the extra points, well, I'm in a similar boat: bonus pages unlocked, almost all collectibles purchased (it's probably going to force the Werewolf skill style on me in spite of no characters having ever had that skill line and no desire to unlock it), and six weeks of challenges remaining, so I'll take my few hundred gold since it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, and move on.

spartaxoxo · May 27

We have so much time so people don't feel the need to keep up weekly.

FurryCandyHearts · May 27

NikoSquared wrote: »

I like the Tomes system over the old Endeavors system, but I've already obtained 9000 Tome Points of overflow by keeping up with Challenges since release...

Now there's nothing I can spend it on unless I pay?

Doesn't this defeat the purpose of a Pass-like system? To keep players engaged weekly on tasks ad infinitum?

I don't think telling Players to "Cough up $15 or go away for 6 weeks" is a good marketing strategy, or a good strategy for overall Player engagement... lol

12K+ ON EACH SERVER and counting

JustLovely · May 27

spartaxoxo wrote: »

We have so much time so people don't feel the need to keep up weekly.

The problem is there isn't much of value to buy with the tome points anyway. Not only are there way too many, but what we buy with them are almost exclusively cosmetic. The rest are items a long term player already has and doesn't need. There are no repeatable purchase options.

The way the system is set up now future seasons aren't going to be interesting at all to speak of. And the Night Market is already clearing out and it's already hard to get groups for specific tasks. The shiny has worn off both systems already, and these are the systems ZOS is relying on to keep sales going. Seems unlikely to work out to me.

spartaxoxo · May 27

JustLovely wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

We have so much time so people don't feel the need to keep up weekly.

The problem is there isn't much of value to buy with the tome points anyway. Not only are there way too many, but what we buy with them are almost exclusively cosmetic. The rest are items a long term player already has and doesn't need. There are no repeatable purchase options.

The way the system is set up now future seasons aren't going to be interesting at all to speak of. And the Night Market is already clearing out and it's already hard to get groups for specific tasks. The shiny has worn off both systems already, and these are the systems ZOS is relying on to keep sales going. Seems unlikely to work out to me.

Most people familiar with a Battlepasses aren't expecting anything more than what we got, probably. All of the battle passes that I've got in other games are mostly cosmetics. They are rewards for gameplay not really the gameplay itself.

I agree Night Market is petering out but it's just an event and was always supposed to be temporary. For an event, I think it more than did it's job already.

They want to release smaller releases that take up less of our time but give us more new experiences more spread out rather than people coming in for a couple of weeks each quarter. I guess we'll see how that plays out for them.

Nemesis7884 · May 27

Not everyone will have as much time to do weekly challenges weekly or wants to be the prime focus of their play time... besides i rather they run a couple seasons to collect data on this before making adjustments...

BUT KEEP IN MIND

Preferably they add further uses / conversions for unused points like trade bars BUT tjey might as well keep everything as is and just increase the tome point costs of the rewards...would that make us happy? Me not....

CatalinaWineMixer2 · May 27

It is a very new system and I expect it to evolve only for the better. Its designed around a casual atmosphere which is as it should be and its not something that can or should be farmed which is good. We already have entirely too much farming in the game. I think the amount of gold at the end might need increased a bit. Im interested to see how they polish this system as they go forward. It is a good thing and they were smart to do it this way.

Aside from the rewards, some of the tasks are fun and its nice to see Guildies grouping up to do them for things like Arenas. I think they will expand upon the tasks and I find myself doing things I wouldn't normally do because of them which is a good thing.

Personofsecrets · May 27

Even if you do pay, youll have thousands of extra points.

Silaf · May 27

Even if you pay at this point all the decent rewards are unlocked.

OsUfi · May 27

The way they handle tomes means less "Elder Scrolls Checklist Simulator", and I am all for it.

To heck with endless daily endeavours grinds, give me short, completable things that I can finish early then return to just playing the game.

Taggund · May 27

JustLovely wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

We have so much time so people don't feel the need to keep up weekly.

The problem is there isn't much of value to buy with the tome points anyway. Not only are there way too many, but what we buy with them are almost exclusively cosmetic. The rest are items a long term player already has and doesn't need. There are no repeatable purchase options.

The way the system is set up now future seasons aren't going to be interesting at all to speak of. And the Night Market is already clearing out and it's already hard to get groups for specific tasks. The shiny has worn off both systems already, and these are the systems ZOS is relying on to keep sales going. Seems unlikely to work out to me.

100% agree. I was hoping the items were repeatable, but when I discovered they were not I just collected them all, and have not looked at tomes again.

Dojohoda · May 27

That short space of time after endeavors ended and tomes began were the best gameplay time in years for me in ESO. Apparently, I don't like either system. But yes, it's set up in the way you have observed. Once you collect what you want, it's okay to ignore the list. It's your choice. Log in, have some fun.

Ezhh · May 27

I just wish they'd add some consumables you can buy as many times as you want once you hit the bonus pages. That would give the bonus pages a reason for acting like they are different and special in some way instead of just more of the same.

Horace-Wimp · May 27

Imagine complaining about NOT feeling the need to play a silly video game. Whatever shall we do then? LOL!

ArielSira · May 27

I liked the XP consumables for companions, the crates. I wish we could spend the points on those things repeatedly.

Alaztor91 · May 27

I was surprised that the ''bonus pages'' didn't have some kind of BoP repeatable purchase options. Stuff like Crown Tri-Pots, XP Scrolls, Transmute Crystal, etc.

Nobody was expecting unlimited Crown Crates here, but having something to spend surplus Tome Points would be nice, otherwise there isn't any reason to engage with the system once you unlocked all the rewards you wanted and have 2k spare points(which can happen quite early depending on how hard you grind the Challenges)

DoofusMax · May 27

I'll repeat my initial suggestion that the point cost to unlock the bonus pages should not exceed the points required to purchase everything on the free tier, plus 2000 for carryover. Either increasing the points required to purchase or decreasing the points required to unlock would resolve that issue. Premium tier is its own thing and it will be as it will be because you pay for that, both in real cash and the Tome Points required to purchase that tier's stuff.

I think some repeatable stuff on the bonus pages would be nice, though. It doesn't have to be anything fancy. Writ vouchers, Transmutes, Keys, Mimic Stones, Tri-Pots, and the like would work. I might draw the line at repeatable AP since that's Alliance War rank and comes very close to pay-to-win, but the rest on the bonus pages is fine.

BretonMage · May 27

They are adding an an autoclaim and conversion feature which converts extra points (above 2000) into gold. Whilst this is a promising first step, I'd say we need at least more claimable gold, if not also consumables, so we have some control and choice regarding the rewards.

DoofusMax wrote: »

I'll repeat my initial suggestion that the point cost to unlock the bonus pages should not exceed the points required to purchase everything on the free tier, plus 2000 for carryover. Either increasing the points required to purchase or decreasing the points required to unlock would resolve that issue. Premium tier is its own thing and it will be as it will be because you pay for that, both in real cash and the Tome Points required to purchase that tier's stuff.

I think some repeatable stuff on the bonus pages would be nice, though. It doesn't have to be anything fancy. Writ vouchers, Transmutes, Keys, Mimic Stones, Tri-Pots, and the like would work. I might draw the line at repeatable AP since that's Alliance War rank and comes very close to pay-to-win, but the rest on the bonus pages is fine.

I agree, with the caveat that I don't think it's pay to win because these are rewards for playing, and we already get and have been getting some AP as rewards, both under the endeavour system as well as tomes. Though if you meant we shouldn't get unlimited AP, I don't disagree.

LPapirius · May 27

I'd LOVE to be able to buy IA currency with my extra tome points. Maybe let us buy tel var too and alliance points too. That way people who hate PvP and IA would be able to get some of the currency without having to do the content. It would be a horrible exchange rate of course, but it would open some doors for people that are essentially closed now.

@ZOS_Kevin

Grafahel · May 27

I was also in the same boat where I unlocked all the pages with 2 months to go and no really interesting rewards left. Decided to get just try out the €15 upgrade so now I have some more stuff to collect but I don't plan on making that a habit, just wanted to try it out. Anyway, let's not forget that this thing is a replacement for the daily rewards, most of which were also potions and stuff, if you were to pick and choose which of the daily rewards you really needed or wanted every month you'd probably pick less than 10. I don't expect Tomes to be chock full of big rewards, but I do happen to like cosmetics so I wouldn't mind if they tossed in some more of those, maybe some pets. I guess because now you get to pick your rewards it feels like you get less out of it but I think what you actually get is on par with daily rewards and endeavors. I do appreciate the seals and trade bars, hope we'll get some more stuff added to the Gold Coast Bazaar soon.
But it's a new system and with time I hope they can refine it to give it some more longevity, I like doing the tome challenges in between questing because I enjoy little side activities, so I hope they can find a way to keep us going a bit longer or at least have a reason to keep doing the challenges once you've unlocked all pages.

Melivar · May 27

The intention is that people will get the first upgrade and thus have more to spend points on. Those on the free tear should be able to simply play however and end up with more than enough points otherwise the paid tiers may require too much grinding. Some of the other currency conversions are interesting and I could surely get behind options perhaps feel the need to grind out max tome points per week.

This may also be true on the paid tier as I am getting close to capping out things to by with limited grinding of tome activities. But I did use one tome cache at the very beginning as well. Once I have everything and my 2000 points i will just ignore the challenges that take me out of my way and I will be grateful for that.

I will likely always get the first paid tier as I am luckily able to support the game within my normal means, seeing how things are playing out and having excess tome caches also makes me slightly relieved that if I get to a point were game time is limited I should still be able to get all the rewards I want.

Now the premium tier is going to have to offer something considerable better than season zero to make it worthwhile to spend the little extra money but I am sure that will vary person to person. I didn't like this style but in a future round I may love it when alot dislike it.

o_Primate_o · May 27

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

NikoSquared wrote: »

I like the Tomes system over the old Endeavors system, but I've already obtained 9000 Tome Points of overflow by keeping up with Challenges since release...

Now there's nothing I can spend it on unless I pay?

Doesn't this defeat the purpose of a Pass-like system? To keep players engaged weekly on tasks ad infinitum?

I don't think telling Players to "Cough up $15 or go away for 6 weeks" is a good marketing strategy, or a good strategy for overall Player engagement... lol

12K+ ON EACH SERVER and counting

WHY? the amount you can carry over to the next season is very limited. I trust you are getting these from farming gold coffers and not by farming tome points themselves...

Elvenheart · May 28

Horace-Wimp wrote: »

Imagine complaining about NOT feeling the need to play a silly video game. Whatever shall we do then? LOL!

I don’t play silly video games myself, but I’m not complaining about that. I mostly just play ESO 😇

BretonMage · May 28

Melivar wrote: »

The intention is that people will get the first upgrade and thus have more to spend points on. Those on the free tear should be able to simply play however and end up with more than enough points otherwise the paid tiers may require too much grinding. Some of the other currency conversions are interesting and I could surely get behind options perhaps feel the need to grind out max tome points per week.

Oh

If they're not going to decrease the number of earnable TP, or give us more claimable stuff in the free tier, then I wish we'd get an addon which dismisses TP notifications without autoclaiming them.

DoofusMax · May 28

BretonMage wrote: »

Oh If they're not going to decrease the number of earnable TP, or give us more claimable stuff in the free tier, then I wish we'd get an addon which dismisses TP notifications without autoclaiming them.

Absolutely agree on that point. If I had nickel for every time I've had "F to Claim" on my screen while something was trying to one-shot me, I'd be sipping fruity drinks (with umbrellas because I'm not a complete cad) on a beach somewhere and letting compound interest take care of the rest.

katanagirl1 · May 28

DoofusMax wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Oh If they're not going to decrease the number of earnable TP, or give us more claimable stuff in the free tier, then I wish we'd get an addon which dismisses TP notifications without autoclaiming them.

Absolutely agree on that point. If I had nickel for every time I've had "F to Claim" on my screen while something was trying to one-shot me, I'd be sipping fruity drinks (with umbrellas because I'm not a complete cad) on a beach somewhere and letting compound interest take care of the rest.

That and please don’t go to that Tome screen with the spinning dial for my added Tome points.

This game is now 90% UI and 10% gameplay.

MRAW · May 28

Melivar wrote: »

The intention is that people will get the first upgrade and thus have more to spend points on.

That’s the point. I bought the upgrade and always do all the tasks but still need a lot more TP.

Ordinator199 · May 28

Ability to convert em into other currencies as much as you like is a must addition imo e.i:
tel var
ap
gold bars
seals

FurryCandyHearts · May 28

o_Primate_o wrote: »

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

NikoSquared wrote: »

I like the Tomes system over the old Endeavors system, but I've already obtained 9000 Tome Points of overflow by keeping up with Challenges since release...

Now there's nothing I can spend it on unless I pay?

Doesn't this defeat the purpose of a Pass-like system? To keep players engaged weekly on tasks ad infinitum?

I don't think telling Players to "Cough up $15 or go away for 6 weeks" is a good marketing strategy, or a good strategy for overall Player engagement... lol

12K+ ON EACH SERVER and counting

WHY? the amount you can carry over to the next season is very limited. I trust you are getting these from farming gold coffers and not by farming tome points themselves...

tomes is one of the few additions i like. Most of the stuff theyve added i dont like. night market, scribing, scrying, blah blah blah they add stuff that doesnt appeal to me. i like tomes and here you are criticizing me for liking the thing they aded. sheesh.