SandandStars wrote: »

I always picture Quasimodo mashing that HOWL button repeatedly when I come across werewolves in PVP.

Next patch the "arroo's" will be deafening!

Nordstern wrote: »

albertberku wrote: »

Here is a leap one shot footage. You simply cant break free before getting hit by the next attack. So, if you ever get hit by leap, rip... Oneshot from someone out of your screen 22m away, Leap + Incinerate + Soul of Flame + Whip, easy 40k+ oneshot just by pressing three buttons. You cant look in a certain direction for 0,2 seconds and the fight is already over. What have you turned ESO PvP into?

https://youtu.be/dPBgAA5MRmg?is=6aeL3t_E54Ab7HoH

If you get killed so fast without him using corro you dont have sufficient defensive stats for pvp. People with pve setups could always be oneshot in pvp.

No this happens against players at armor cap aswell, as of right now the dmg way out preforms defense and survieability.

And people wonder why I stopped PvP.

They destroyed the necromancer class in profit of other classes, and I got told to wait for 2028.

Looking at the situation we are in today where we are forced into other classes, I am better off on going on other games.

And this vengeance campaign is not a solution, and even there classes are not balanced.

Upcoming Warden rework would like to have a word with you.

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

Then every class have to get infinte sustain and 50% projectile reduction.....you cant be serious at least about that. I just went Ardent on all of my toons for SoF.

Punishing range spam is very good for the game. Every class should have a means to do this.

Infinite sustain is terrible for the game. No class should be doing this. The design of SoF (new Inhale) in particular exacerbates the existing problems with indefinite stall/burst/reset play patterns, but it's not like anyone was running out of resources last meta either, so a lot more will need to be done in this regard.

Look, you had to run at least some kind of sustain or use pots on cooldown. SoF lets you have infinite sustain and stack stats on a delayed burst skill.

50 % projectile reduction is just bonkers, 20% would be reasonable like Major evasion....but 50 ?!

I respectfully disagree with your points. Hof is really no different than dark deal/conversion except sorcs sustain tool has a small cast time. Small trade off for their mobility. Dk lacks mobility even with fleet step wings you have to build into speed with celerity and swift to really out run zergs or chase down people kiting. That’s why wings has the 50% damage reduction and it’s only against projectiles so not all ranged attacks apply and it’s not like most people spam this skill anyways. It’s something you cast when you’ve really got the heat on you and need some breathing room. Honestly, DK is fine. The other classes that are going to be reworked need to be made just as good but tbh there are plenty of good players out there that are not playing dk’s and do really well in PvP. And there are many bad players that jump on dk thinking the class is going to transform their skills and it doesn’t. All of these nerf posts are really bad for the game because most of the stuff people complain about is fine and they’re usually just sore another player using whatever they want nerfed got the better of them. There are worst things in the game like some of these 181k dps pulse gank builds that will triple tap some of the most well built tanks in cyrodiil. Now that is something that needs to be looked into, but I digress.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

Since ballance the dk is out of the question the question maybe they could make it so DK do 50% less dmg to all players not a Dk, becouse that nothing but fair right? Becouse that is exactly how dk’s new wings made every range build not relevant anymore. Also it can knock players down from tight places if they dare attack a dk, increase movement speed, remove snares, perfectly balanced skill.

You're complaining that an ultimate is... Acting like an ultimate?

What ultimate? I was talking about a skill

The leap is not a regular skill, it's an ultimate... Which is a bit different to a regular skill. It's meant to feel like an ultimate.

He's talking about this: https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/fleetstep-wings

Ah I see.

Yeah was talking about fleestep wings.

But i agree a ultimate should feel like and ultimate and should be strong. Sayinh that my problem with leap is that sometimes the opponent gets stuck until the animation on leap is over and then comes the knockback so its almost a guarantee that your next attack also would hit the target. In pvp and when outnumbered that could often be a death sentence. I dont know if that is working as intended or if its a bug tho, but rest of how both morph of leaps i working and dmg and etc is perfectly fine for me.

Leap has an auto-snare of 100% that fixers you in place while the gap-close fires. It is cheap and dumb and should be fixed, which, I think, is agreed upon by basically everyone.

Better yet, Leap should be ground-targeted rather than player-targeted. That would be a vast improvement both for use and counterplay.

I think ground targeted would be better too. Would stop the cheating addons I hear people using that can auto-dodge or for this skill auto-block when the detect an incoming skill targeting them. Of course there's no way to prove people using it, but when, for example, someone dodgerolls my mage's wrath when I was in stealth and no one else around, I know something is fishy. I noticed I hit way more often when using dawn breaker of smiting because it is ground targeted and not player, so the addon and enemy are like, "huh?"

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/690841/its-time-to-nerf-new-dk/p1

I got hit with a 22k powerlash on a tank build with 38k spell/physical resistance and a little over 3k crit resist, if it hit someone on a normal build it probably would of been 30k lol its hitting harder than spec bow.

Dks damage wouldn’t be a problem if Zos would just nerf healing and perm block already for the love of god already like I don’t get it they already have busted ccs and snares crazy damage so why do they need to live forever also

Chase0351 wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

Then every class have to get infinte sustain and 50% projectile reduction.....you cant be serious at least about that. I just went Ardent on all of my toons for SoF.

Punishing range spam is very good for the game. Every class should have a means to do this.

Infinite sustain is terrible for the game. No class should be doing this. The design of SoF (new Inhale) in particular exacerbates the existing problems with indefinite stall/burst/reset play patterns, but it's not like anyone was running out of resources last meta either, so a lot more will need to be done in this regard.

Look, you had to run at least some kind of sustain or use pots on cooldown. SoF lets you have infinite sustain and stack stats on a delayed burst skill.

50 % projectile reduction is just bonkers, 20% would be reasonable like Major evasion....but 50 ?!

I respectfully disagree with your points. Hof is really no different than dark deal/conversion except sorcs sustain tool has a small cast time. Small trade off for their mobility. Dk lacks mobility even with fleet step wings you have to build into speed with celerity and swift to really out run zergs or chase down people kiting. That’s why wings has the 50% damage reduction and it’s only against projectiles so not all ranged attacks apply and it’s not like most people spam this skill anyways. It’s something you cast when you’ve really got the heat on you and need some breathing room. Honestly, DK is fine. The other classes that are going to be reworked need to be made just as good but tbh there are plenty of good players out there that are not playing dk’s and do really well in PvP. And there are many bad players that jump on dk thinking the class is going to transform their skills and it doesn’t. All of these nerf posts are really bad for the game because most of the stuff people complain about is fine and they’re usually just sore another player using whatever they want nerfed got the better of them. There are worst things in the game like some of these 181k dps pulse gank builds that will triple tap some of the most well built tanks in cyrodiil. Now that is something that needs to be looked into, but I digress.

Dont disqualify ys by comparing an AoE burst skill that provides real infinite sustain to a non scaling stat trading skill with a lenghty cast time.
I have like 80% uptime on Wings in most fights, even more vs projectile slinging opponents. If ppl choose to neglect free mobility and shutting down most ranged builds one can not help it.
Regarding mobility overall: subclassing exists and as los is the best mitigation vX not going with stormcalling wher you can streak indefinite thanks to HoF is again ppls choice.

The problem is that someone made the decision to completely forego balance for a period of nearly two years while they refresh all classes.

That was a truly awful decision.

zammo wrote: »

The problem is that someone made the decision to completely forego balance for a period of nearly two years while they refresh all classes.

That was a truly awful decision.

The bigger issue is that—even with their new focus and leadership—they think that taking two years to balance the remainder of the classes is good for the health of the game or its player base. Fixing the classes should have been an all hands on deck priority with everything else put on the back burner until that was change rolled out over 1-2 patches at most. Now they’re adding new systems on top of foundational issues that haven’t been corrected and creating more and more work for themselves to redo or retrofit in the future. I don’t understand who is managing this project or setting priorities. It feels scattershot and doomed to fail, because you can’t play catch up with a constantly moving target.

Chase0351 wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

Then every class have to get infinte sustain and 50% projectile reduction.....you cant be serious at least about that. I just went Ardent on all of my toons for SoF.

Punishing range spam is very good for the game. Every class should have a means to do this.

Infinite sustain is terrible for the game. No class should be doing this. The design of SoF (new Inhale) in particular exacerbates the existing problems with indefinite stall/burst/reset play patterns, but it's not like anyone was running out of resources last meta either, so a lot more will need to be done in this regard.

Look, you had to run at least some kind of sustain or use pots on cooldown. SoF lets you have infinite sustain and stack stats on a delayed burst skill.

50 % projectile reduction is just bonkers, 20% would be reasonable like Major evasion....but 50 ?!

I respectfully disagree with your points. Hof is really no different than dark deal/conversion except sorcs sustain tool has a small cast time. Small trade off for their mobility. Dk lacks mobility even with fleet step wings you have to build into speed with celerity and swift to really out run zergs or chase down people kiting. That’s why wings has the 50% damage reduction and it’s only against projectiles so not all ranged attacks apply and it’s not like most people spam this skill anyways. It’s something you cast when you’ve really got the heat on you and need some breathing room. Honestly, DK is fine. The other classes that are going to be reworked need to be made just as good but tbh there are plenty of good players out there that are not playing dk’s and do really well in PvP. And there are many bad players that jump on dk thinking the class is going to transform their skills and it doesn’t. All of these nerf posts are really bad for the game because most of the stuff people complain about is fine and they’re usually just sore another player using whatever they want nerfed got the better of them. There are worst things in the game like some of these 181k dps pulse gank builds that will triple tap some of the most well built tanks in cyrodiil. Now that is something that needs to be looked into, but I digress.

Slept on comment, right on the money. DK is strong because it is the easiest class out there to overwhelm with numbers. We do well because you have to learn to play well to get around the lack of mobility and lack of a good escape. Especially if you wanna commit to being a brawler class and not sacrificing damage or tankiness for running away in cyrodiil. It is a committed playstyle and not for everyone.

Yet even so we still have players who can basically dump the mag and dash who want us nerfed because it takes more work to kill us 1v1... as it should. It is called a dragon knight for a reason, dragon knights should be absolute units and frontliners. I am annoyed necromancer is seemingly last for a rework because between necros, dk and warden people will have a lot more to complain about lol and they'll be asking for all melee users to be nerfed, except nightblade of course. Because again, they have a really good escape and dk doesn't. Two escapes on the same class actually.

There should be a tradeoff for being a slow lumbering non streaking non teleporting class. DK SHOULD be op up close. Same as how Sorc is op from... actually really any distance, and if people really wanna complain about something its that slapping on storm calling on a dk makes them immediately output way more damage, something that will be rectified in u50 with masteries at least.

olsborg wrote: »

What they should have done, if reworking 1 class takes them 3 months, then do them ALL over a course of 20ish months and THEN release the class rework in one patch to live servers, the way they are doing now is just plain boring, because in most content in eso there is literally no point not being a dk. (especially true for pvp)

So, spend two years suffering under the broken subclassing meta, or have variety gradually added to the game over the course of the same time period. Decisions, decisions…

Seriously, you people need to learn some patience. If the game is such a miserable experience thanks to DK, maybe walk away and come back when you feel it’s more balanced. Some of you are talking like you’re tethered to this video game with no alternative but to log on and play every day.