Well after 10 years soon 11 I'm retiring my templar

DarkStrifeYT · May 21

So I've been playing since 2015 and chose a templar, while I have played other classes I've always mained the templar. However the constant nerfs and other issues have made the templar unusable. You have to either choose between being easily killable and doing some damage or being hard to kill and not doing any damage. Its dps is lower than all my other classes, survivability is also the lowest its ever been. Seeing the whole class mastery coming up it seems to be only getting worse. It's heavily problematic. I've done so much with the templar and lots of day 1 releases that I will never get to experience with other classes and characters, hence why I have been a huge voucher for class change tokens. Sure there is subclassing but even with that templar again has the lowest survivability and usefulness compared to other classes. Even it's healing gets outmatched by warden and arcanist.

I have spent hundreds of millions over the years using so many different builds including my own and others. Templar wasn't always like this and its a shame seeing it get worse and worse. I wonder how many other templar players are the same with me and hence why I'm making this post to see if I'm not the only one feeling this way.

Also if you are curious out of all the classes I chose the warden, specifically aiming towards animal companions. Bear.

Luneca · May 21

I have so much to say about templar and the direction they've taken, but it's too much for the forums to handle. It might be too much for even me to handle.

So, instead I'll just say this: At least templar hasn't gotten to the point you're making a video burying Templar in your backyard and letting the world know.

Firstmep · May 21

I was hoping they would address at least some of the issues with class masteries, but alas.

AzuraFan · May 21

DarkStrifeYT wrote: »

Also if you are curious out of all the classes I chose the warden, specifically aiming towards animal companions. Bear.

The warden is my favourite class, but I would have waited until you see the warden rework. We don't know yet how that's going to turn out and whether animal companions will still be viable. I hope so, because my main is a warden and I'm heavy on animal companions, so I'm hoping they don't make it so that frost is great and animal companions isn't.

ellmarie · May 21

Wow, the Templar is my favorite class and for me its the one that does the highest damage and less work. Then again, I'm not doing Vet dungeons or trials. I must not be playing right. lol, which wouldn't surprise me.

ItsNotLiving · May 21

Rip Templar see you guys in 2027 lol

AScarlato · May 21

All these Templar threads make me fear I'll soon be booted from groups for still wanting to play mine lol. Hopefully they bring awareness and bring buffs which I won't turn down.

ellmarie wrote: »

Wow, the Templar is my favorite class and for me its the one that does the highest damage and less work. Then again, I'm not doing Vet dungeons or trials. I must not be playing right. lol, which wouldn't surprise me.

I'm just starting to get into PUGs for vet dungeons and it's a mixed bag. I"m using a fairly easy Jabs-plar build with Oakensoul, the IA Spear set, Deadly set. Sometimes I'm 60-70 percent of the group's damage, but then sometimes someone really good is the other DPS and I'm 30 to 35% (Or maybe someone is a fake healer and my % goes down because of that, I dunno).

Seems fine for me for the time being but again that's more as a casual PUG player with completely random unorganized people.

It's not my highest DPS though - my subclassed Beam characters feel easier and do more damage, and they are ranged and come with a free damage shield so they are tankier/safer too. I just get bored of them.

Rohamad_Ali · May 21

The game moved away from classic templates being best. Everything is hybrid class now.

chess1ukb16_ESO · May 21

Templars definetly lagging behind other classes. Its fine for easy content with jabs but other than that and Purge for healer its rough. I will reserve judgement on new passives until U50 drops.

Dalinar4 · May 21

I know I'm biased towards Templars, but they really do need a little love.

Personally I think it would be interesting to (this might be a hot take) see Adric spear dropped as their main dps line, Dawn's Wrath reworked into an actual dps line, a new tank line created, and Spears be added as a new weapon skill line.

smallhammer · May 21

I have more or less retired my main, which is a templar. Doing only writs and a bit of crafting with her.

Sustainability is low, and jabs are not the same anymore.

ItsNotLiving · May 22

Dalinar4 wrote: »

I know I'm biased towards Templars, but they really do need a little love.

Personally I think it would be interesting to (this might be a hot take) see Adric spear dropped as their main dps line, Dawn's Wrath reworked into an actual dps line, a new tank line created, and Spears be added as a new weapon skill line.

Dawns Wrath is the coolest skill line in the game by a mile.

Nemesis7884 · May 22

I pray for higher jabs dmge, different / old animation, old beam version and area major breach for my solo templar 🥹

CatalinaWineMixer2 · May 22

They need to remove the broken Subclass system. No one should be giving up their characters or be forced into playing a different one. I can't tell you how many times I have to stop everything im doing to log out and get back on my main character which is a Warden just to do Crafting, go to an auction (because I dont know what blueprints, recipes ect I know), Complete New Content/Quests, writs, ect.

Im so fed up and tired of not being my character. It was made inferior at U46. Its been a year. These underwhelming Class Passives are not going to allow us to compete with Cherry Picking exploitation Subclass builds. Or worse, being told to keep waiting so I can be my Warden again. Tell that to a Necromancer. My life in Eso consists of staring at a loading screen when I constantly have to keep logging out to get my Main character, wondering how PC will make my characters worse with their broken test server and reading patch notes to see just how even more jaded I and everyone in my Guilds will become because they STILL after a year can't use their characters. It's not going to go on much longer with us if something isnt done about it.

Gabriel_H · May 22

Dalinar4 wrote: »

I know I'm biased towards Templars, but they really do need a little love.

Personally I think it would be interesting to (this might be a hot take) see Adric spear dropped as their main dps line, Dawn's Wrath reworked into an actual dps line, a new tank line created, and Spears be added as a new weapon skill line.

Overkill. Templar's problems are not that severe.

DPS needs higher damage numbers and a better sustain mechanic.
Healers need a better group wide HoT now that fights are less static and a unqiue and wanted group buff.
Tanks need a unqiue and wanted group buff.
And then all of that and existing skills needs better balancing in PvP.

At present, the class does all roles at a suitable level for the content, what it lacks is a level deemed suitable by end-game players to allow it to compete for slots.

katanagirl1 · May 22

I retired my stamplar from Cyrodiil many years ago. She is not my main character but I do miss her.

My main is stamblade. Not much better, but I still enjoy playing her when I can.

Necrotech_Master · May 22

personally templar is my favorite class to play besides arc

i still have a pureclassed templar for dps which still works out pretty good, though its definitely not as efficient/easy as the beam build, a jabs templar is still a pretty good option

Dalinar4 · May 23

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Dalinar4 wrote: »

I know I'm biased towards Templars, but they really do need a little love.

Personally I think it would be interesting to (this might be a hot take) see Adric spear dropped as their main dps line, Dawn's Wrath reworked into an actual dps line, a new tank line created, and Spears be added as a new weapon skill line.

Overkill. Templar's problems are not that severe.

DPS needs higher damage numbers and a better sustain mechanic.
Healers need a better group wide HoT now that fights are less static and a unqiue and wanted group buff.
Tanks need a unqiue and wanted group buff.
And then all of that and existing skills needs better balancing in PvP.

At present, the class does all roles at a suitable level for the content, what it lacks is a level deemed suitable by end-game players to allow it to compete for slots.

Fair. It probably would be overkill. I'm really hoping the Templar rework will go well.

Dalinar4 · May 23

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

Dalinar4 wrote: »

I know I'm biased towards Templars, but they really do need a little love.

Personally I think it would be interesting to (this might be a hot take) see Adric spear dropped as their main dps line, Dawn's Wrath reworked into an actual dps line, a new tank line created, and Spears be added as a new weapon skill line.

Dawns Wrath is the coolest skill line in the game by a mile.

It's my favorite one in concept. I just wish it was more practically useful. Most the people who choose it (myself included) do so almost exclusively for one skill. (Execute) At the least, all the other skills need some love.

Gabriel_H · May 23

Dalinar4 wrote: »

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

Dalinar4 wrote: »

I know I'm biased towards Templars, but they really do need a little love.

Personally I think it would be interesting to (this might be a hot take) see Adric spear dropped as their main dps line, Dawn's Wrath reworked into an actual dps line, a new tank line created, and Spears be added as a new weapon skill line.

Dawns Wrath is the coolest skill line in the game by a mile.

It's my favorite one in concept. I just wish it was more practically useful. Most the people who choose it (myself included) do so almost exclusively for one skill. (Execute) At the least, all the other skills need some love.

PotL gives 100 extra WD/SD plus Minor Breach. Sunfire is a source of Major Brutality & Sorcery. LIving Dark is excellent for tanking, not least because it and the other skills give ulti gen, plus the passives give a source of Minor Sorcery and cost reduction to all skills.

There are tweaks to be made of sure, but the line has far more than 1 useful skill.

Nemesis7884 · May 23

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Dalinar4 wrote: »

I know I'm biased towards Templars, but they really do need a little love.

Personally I think it would be interesting to (this might be a hot take) see Adric spear dropped as their main dps line, Dawn's Wrath reworked into an actual dps line, a new tank line created, and Spears be added as a new weapon skill line.

Overkill. Templar's problems are not that severe.

DPS needs higher damage numbers and a better sustain mechanic.
Healers need a better group wide HoT now that fights are less static and a unqiue and wanted group buff.
Tanks need a unqiue and wanted group buff.
And then all of that and existing skills needs better balancing in PvP.

At present, the class does all roles at a suitable level for the content, what it lacks is a level deemed suitable by end-game players to allow it to compete for slots.

what i personally think would be cool is if every class has a unique self/group buff that no other class has, maybe with a unique-ish mechanic

Umbracat449 · May 23

Well, I was sure relieved to drop dark magic for dawns wrath.

So I'm happy being a sorc plar and likely should have been a templar from the start.

Vulkunne · May 23

Already retired mine when they failed to replace the jabs animation. Just doesn't feel the same, no one from ZOS has listened or acknowledged not just mine but anyone's feedback on this and so my Templar has been moth balled. I see no reason to delete anything but maybe one day ZOS will decide to fix things, which I really hope they would do that.

Nemesis7884 · May 23

Vulkunne wrote: »

Already retired mine when they failed to replace the jabs animation. Just doesn't feel the same, no one from ZOS has listened or acknowledged not just mine but anyone's feedback on this and so my Templar has been moth balled. I see no reason to delete anything but maybe one day ZOS will decide to fix things, which I really hope they would do that.

I think there is hope to be had for new animations for the refresh...

Arboz · May 23

Troll always smiles when a small templar thing jabs at him in incredible speed, head down and totally focused on his prickling and stinging.
After a while, Troll decides if he walks away or ends that annoyance.

Translation: Preach!

langewapper · May 23

i started this game with dK years ago
when templar came out i finally could do normal and vet dungeons solo good old days
now after they nerfed him you need subclass now i have 3 templars
1 original for fun
2 dk subclass for survival
3 arc subclass for dps
its a cruel world