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Avran_Sylt · May 12

It's a PvP only ult that lets you ignore all set/rune/weapon/mundus/CP investment into Penetration while also letting you ignore Max Health and Defensive augments on your own character.

What is the bloody tradeoff. Yet another ult penned by the mald you can't kill me while I can kill you dev decision.

It's only a PvP skill, there is no PvE application.

Is NB going to get a % Oblivion damage ult on rework? Can Knight Slayer bypass the % Cap?

Highly bloody unlikely!

DK gets to do Flat Damage on you while you can only deal a % damage to them! (halved because battle spirit just to be fair UwU)

Vaqual · May 12

The title caught my interest. I had to come and see what this is about.

Kalthea · May 12

To quote myself from another post complaining about PvP issues:

This will not affect me. Once Vengeance launches, that is the only way I will be interacting with Cyrodiil.

Wup_sa · May 12

Roll dodge twice with 2 seconds in between or block. Corro countered. Onslaught is like 100x better anyway since you can fully cancel the anim with bash and proc goretief with it.

Oblivion_Protocol · May 12

Kalthea wrote: »

To quote myself from another post complaining about PvP issues:

This will not affect me. Once Vengeance launches, that is the only way I will be interacting with Cyrodiil.

Right, because Vengeance won’t die a slow death the same way it always does.

Corrosive is not a problem big enough to need removing. Just outrun the DK. Stun them. Roll dodge. Knock them back. Streak away. There are multiple options for dealing with it.

YandereGirlfriend · May 12

Corrosive, Onslaught, and Acuity should all be dumpstered together because they allow you to treat entire stat categories as a dump-stat while getting carried by a single proc.

Delete that Gogiga-cheese and force folk to run well-rounded builds if they want to deal effective damage.

Kalthea · May 12

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Kalthea wrote: »

To quote myself from another post complaining about PvP issues:

This will not affect me. Once Vengeance launches, that is the only way I will be interacting with Cyrodiil.

Right, because Vengeance won’t die a slow death the same way it always does.

Corrosive is not a problem big enough to need removing. Just outrun the DK. Stun them. Roll dodge. Knock them back. Streak away. There are multiple options for dealing with it.

A lot of that may have to do with Vengeance having been a temporary addition to the game so far. Once it's permanent, you may very well see an increase in the amount of players participating.

Also, not sure how that changes me only using Vengeance to play Cyrodiil? I'm still only going to use that, lol

Urzigurumash · May 12

Wup_sa wrote: »

Roll dodge twice with 2 seconds in between or block. Corro countered. Onslaught is like 100x better anyway since you can fully cancel the anim with bash and proc goretief with it.

Yeah with a keybinded bash that won't eat your stam? Not on Xbox afaik. We need keybindable bash before crossplay goes live for sure

Urzigurumash · May 12

Now for my triennial reminder that prior to 2021 the only big Direct Damage that Corrosive could buff was the old long cast time Uppercut, which exposed the caster to interrupt. Next best Direct Damage with it was Heroic Slash before it was nerfed - still almost nothing compared to today's Whip.

And this burst-obsessed forum was once in a great panic about how the Penetration was fine, it was only the Mitigation that was imbalanced. I said ditch the Pen and buff the AoE to bring it more in line with its counterpart, Sleet Storm.

LootAllTheStuff · May 12

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Wup_sa wrote: »

Roll dodge twice with 2 seconds in between or block. Corro countered. Onslaught is like 100x better anyway since you can fully cancel the anim with bash and proc goretief with it.

Yeah with a keybinded bash that won't eat your stam? Not on Xbox afaik. We need keybindable bash before crossplay goes live for sure

??? Doesn't bash *always* cost stamina? I know there's a CP node to reduce this, but I don't think you can ever eliminate it (key binds or not).

Urzigurumash · 12:28AM

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Wup_sa wrote: »

Roll dodge twice with 2 seconds in between or block. Corro countered. Onslaught is like 100x better anyway since you can fully cancel the anim with bash and proc goretief with it.

Yeah with a keybinded bash that won't eat your stam? Not on Xbox afaik. We need keybindable bash before crossplay goes live for sure

??? Doesn't bash *always* cost stamina? I know there's a CP node to reduce this, but I don't think you can ever eliminate it (key binds or not).

Only someone who plays on both platforms can really comment on the difference, yes Bash costs stamina but on Xbox the action can't be separated from Block (nka Brace). There's no option to keybind Bash alone as there putatively is on PC.

Urzigurumash · 12:34AM

Besides chewing Stam when you just wanted to Bash but now you are also Bracing and thus Blocking incoming Direct Damage, there's no Mousewheel Up, so you're limited by how fast the controller can read you depressing a button. Which is a trigger by default, the second slowest of all buttons besides Push Joystick.

Urzigurumash · 12:46AM

Ah now I remember the main issue. On Console, everytime you bash you are likely to disable the next Stam Regen tick, which is a globally timed 2 second interval, since you also hit "Brace". So if you're bashing repeatedly, you have no Stam Regen. I think you can do it really well and avoid this maybe if it doesn't read your button depression as longer than .25s or something, but to my understanding on PC you will NEVER disable Stam Regen with a keybinded Bash? If that's how it is that's a huge difference in how effective this is. On Xbox NA I see someone running a Bash build maybe once or twice a year.

Luneca · 2:55AM

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Kalthea wrote: »

To quote myself from another post complaining about PvP issues:

This will not affect me. Once Vengeance launches, that is the only way I will be interacting with Cyrodiil.

Right, because Vengeance won’t die a slow death the same way it always does.

Corrosive is not a problem big enough to need removing. Just outrun the DK. Stun them. Roll dodge. Knock them back. Streak away. There are multiple options for dealing with it.

This would make sense if you could actually tell it's on, but half the time you can't.

Also, this would actually make sense if DKs didn't have an AoE CC in Wings and had to at least give up a slot for an otherwise useless skill to have that kind of utility (like turn evil).

Also, this would actually make sense if DKs couldn't streak.

The result of the above? No real counter besides being able to soak up the damage.

mmtaniac · 3:50PM

Vengeance version of BG could be good thing too.

Wuuffyy · 5:45PM

mmtaniac wrote: »

Vengeance version of BG could be good thing too.

I thought this was the point of no-CP? Lowers the bar of entry.

Have we considered Vengeance vCR+3 yet? It’s a small enough trial I feel they could accomplish a Mach instance for testing in a fairly quick amount of time.

Even if it isn’t popular the first time, maybe we disable vCR for a time just to force people that wanted to make their own build to dip their toes in the water.

Avran_Sylt · 5:59PM

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Ah now I remember the main issue. On Console, everytime you bash you are likely to disable the next Stam Regen tick, which is a globally timed 2 second interval, since you also hit "Brace". So if you're bashing repeatedly, you have no Stam Regen. I think you can do it really well and avoid this maybe if it doesn't read your button depression as longer than .25s or something, but to my understanding on PC you will NEVER disable Stam Regen with a keybinded Bash? If that's how it is that's a huge difference in how effective this is. On Xbox NA I see someone running a Bash build maybe once or twice a year.

huh. Yeah, Bash can be keybound to be a single button rather than the block + left-click. (Break-free)

I might actually do that given the number of flubs I encounter when actually trying to break free.

Hmm, and with Goretheif that might be a nice added proc.