To quote myself from another post complaining about PvP issues:

This will not affect me. Once Vengeance launches, that is the only way I will be interacting with Cyrodiil.

Kalthea wrote: »

To quote myself from another post complaining about PvP issues:

This will not affect me. Once Vengeance launches, that is the only way I will be interacting with Cyrodiil.

Right, because Vengeance won’t die a slow death the same way it always does.

Corrosive is not a problem big enough to need removing. Just outrun the DK. Stun them. Roll dodge. Knock them back. Streak away. There are multiple options for dealing with it.

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Kalthea wrote: »

To quote myself from another post complaining about PvP issues:

This will not affect me. Once Vengeance launches, that is the only way I will be interacting with Cyrodiil.

Right, because Vengeance won’t die a slow death the same way it always does.

Corrosive is not a problem big enough to need removing. Just outrun the DK. Stun them. Roll dodge. Knock them back. Streak away. There are multiple options for dealing with it.

A lot of that may have to do with Vengeance having been a temporary addition to the game so far. Once it's permanent, you may very well see an increase in the amount of players participating.

Also, not sure how that changes me only using Vengeance to play Cyrodiil? I'm still only going to use that, lol

Now for my triennial reminder that prior to 2021 the only big Direct Damage that Corrosive could buff was the old long cast time Uppercut, which exposed the caster to interrupt. Next best Direct Damage with it was Heroic Slash before it was nerfed - still almost nothing compared to today's Whip.

And this burst-obsessed forum was once in a great panic about how the Penetration was fine, it was only the Mitigation that was imbalanced. I said ditch the Pen and buff the AoE to bring it more in line with its counterpart, Sleet Storm.

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Wup_sa wrote: »

Roll dodge twice with 2 seconds in between or block. Corro countered. Onslaught is like 100x better anyway since you can fully cancel the anim with bash and proc goretief with it.

Yeah with a keybinded bash that won't eat your stam? Not on Xbox afaik. We need keybindable bash before crossplay goes live for sure

??? Doesn't bash *always* cost stamina? I know there's a CP node to reduce this, but I don't think you can ever eliminate it (key binds or not).

Only someone who plays on both platforms can really comment on the difference, yes Bash costs stamina but on Xbox the action can't be separated from Block (nka Brace). There's no option to keybind Bash alone as there putatively is on PC.

Ah now I remember the main issue. On Console, everytime you bash you are likely to disable the next Stam Regen tick, which is a globally timed 2 second interval, since you also hit "Brace". So if you're bashing repeatedly, you have no Stam Regen. I think you can do it really well and avoid this maybe if it doesn't read your button depression as longer than .25s or something, but to my understanding on PC you will NEVER disable Stam Regen with a keybinded Bash? If that's how it is that's a huge difference in how effective this is. On Xbox NA I see someone running a Bash build maybe once or twice a year.

Vengeance version of BG could be good thing too.

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Ah now I remember the main issue. On Console, everytime you bash you are likely to disable the next Stam Regen tick, which is a globally timed 2 second interval, since you also hit "Brace". So if you're bashing repeatedly, you have no Stam Regen. I think you can do it really well and avoid this maybe if it doesn't read your button depression as longer than .25s or something, but to my understanding on PC you will NEVER disable Stam Regen with a keybinded Bash? If that's how it is that's a huge difference in how effective this is. On Xbox NA I see someone running a Bash build maybe once or twice a year.

huh. Yeah, Bash can be keybound to be a single button rather than the block + left-click. (Break-free)

I might actually do that given the number of flubs I encounter when actually trying to break free.

Hmm, and with Goretheif that might be a nice added proc.

Kalthea wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

mmtaniac wrote: »

Vengeance version of BG could be good thing too.

I thought this was the point of no-CP? Lowers the bar of entry.

Have we considered Vengeance vCR+3 yet? It’s a small enough trial I feel they could accomplish a Mach instance for testing in a fairly quick amount of time.

Even if it isn’t popular the first time, maybe we disable vCR for a time just to force people that wanted to make their own build to dip their toes in the water.

The problem for new players to PvP isn't CP, it's gear and lack of meta knowledge. I cant see your proc sets until you hit me with them, and even then I can barely tell what your using to make you so effective against me. By removing armor as a factor, it levels the playing field for new players and allows them to adjust to a class and not every set in the game.

Right, but realistically this is a non-ranked (at least PvP… let’s be real even with BGs) MMO (meaning most to all want to have thorough build crafting… even if the result for some is just ‘pretty visuals’ for thematics) and Vengeance afaik is not popular.

This (no-CP) is ‘as close to’ a middle ground as the general player base is willing to consider right now. A new player is as much cannon fodder in a Hunding’s Rage meta as a proc meta. It’s just that now, if they throw on procs, they have a realistic chance to hinder someone much better (even via ‘third-party’) vs tickle them prior; hence ‘skilled players’ complain.

Unless we believe new players want to go PvP in a ‘dead mode’, I personally couldn’t see why they’d try and transfer Vengeance status to BGs when it already feasibly attracts players of all types… if anything, MMR should be better sorted (even if longer queues) and something mechanically changed with BGs so the ‘losing team’ has a viable way of a ‘comeback’ on a consistent manner.