Remathilis wrote: »

Major_Mangle wrote: »

Remathilis wrote: »

I swear I see this exact post for every new mythic released. Maybe just ban mythics in pvp?

What part of this mythic also being insanely overtuned in PvE did you miss?

Are the monsters and bosses whining for nerfs now?

@Remathilis Believe it or not, they do. Not on the ESO forums, but in ZOS' data analysis.
PvErs always act like nothing on their side of the game could ever warrant a nerf even when the developers explicitly said so. For example Mist Form was nerfed in 7.2.5 because tanks in PvE were using it to reliably clear "trivialize" a Rockgrove Hardmode fight. Nobody was complaining about it, the skill even retained its damage reduction against players and yet people back then still tried to blame it on PvP.

Not sure where people are getting these numbers from but I just tried it on my DK in PvP with elemental Susceptibility, blood for blood, disintegrating Dragonfire, not being able to use my ultimate or another set is kind of a hinderance that undoes any damage advantage this set does.

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not sure where people are getting these numbers from but I just tried it on my DK in PvP with elemental Susceptibility, blood for blood, disintegrating Dragonfire, not being able to use my ultimate or another set is kind of a hinderance that undoes any damage advantage this set does.

Did you watched the BG?
BfB why you have a 35m ranged spamable with no cost.
Dragonfire why you have a 35m ranged spamable that already applies major breach.
You just have to enhance the Status effects it applies. Winters Embrace, Ardent and Stormcalling are the lines you want to run. Slap on Nuntak Plagebreak/Winterborn/Disdain

That seems like subclassing is the problem, not the mythic.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not sure where people are getting these numbers from but I just tried it on my DK in PvP with elemental Susceptibility, blood for blood, disintegrating Dragonfire, not being able to use my ultimate or another set is kind of a hinderance that undoes any damage advantage this set does.

Did you watched the BG?
BfB why you have a 35m ranged spamable with no cost.
Dragonfire why you have a 35m ranged spamable that already applies major breach.
You just have to enhance the Status effects it applies. Winters Embrace, Ardent and Stormcalling are the lines you want to run. Slap on Nuntak Plagebreak/Winterborn/Disdain

That seems like subclassing is the problem, not the mythic.

Does not explain why you do not even spec for the feature the mythic provides and slot redundant skills.
You have been provided how the mythic can be used to be absolute busted. What you now make of it is up to you good Sir.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not sure where people are getting these numbers from but I just tried it on my DK in PvP with elemental Susceptibility, blood for blood, disintegrating Dragonfire, not being able to use my ultimate or another set is kind of a hinderance that undoes any damage advantage this set does.

Did you watched the BG?
BfB why you have a 35m ranged spamable with no cost.
Dragonfire why you have a 35m ranged spamable that already applies major breach.
You just have to enhance the Status effects it applies. Winters Embrace, Ardent and Stormcalling are the lines you want to run. Slap on Nuntak Plagebreak/Winterborn/Disdain

That seems like subclassing is the problem, not the mythic.

On PTS a pure warden with this mythic is even more disgusting damage than the subclass version on Live and werewolves get 50% of their damage from status effects, sorcs get way more damage out of Static Reverberation proccing Concussed (doubles the damage of that passive basically), templars basically double the damage of jabs that proc Sundered very often, DKs are apparently also getting top parses with this mythic in PvE and so on.

You know what?

Good.

I’ll say here that same thing I’ve said about the new DK. After a solid year of constant subclassed Assassination/Animal Companion builds, I’ll take anything different. And now, decent dot builds are finally viable enough to stand up to the meta that’s been screwing up PVP for so long.

I say good job on this one, ZOS. I can finally enjoy the builds I like. Keep putting out bangers like this and I’ll stick around for the long term.

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

You know what?

Good.

I’ll say here that same thing I’ve said about the new DK. After a solid year of constant subclassed Assassination/Animal Companion builds, I’ll take anything different. And now, decent dot builds are finally viable enough to stand up to the meta that’s been screwing up PVP for so long.

I say good job on this one, ZOS. I can finally enjoy the builds I like. Keep putting out bangers like this and I’ll stick around for the long term.

Its honestly fine by me lol, certain players that cant handle fighting as dk unless they're in a carry group and that have given up trying to VD people have committed themselves to these cheese builds in zergs or while hiding, and while occasionally annoying, its not really any worse to me than past metas that had a lot of ganker setups around.

You get killed afk or when 7 to 1 and they feel big for a few seconds, and then are one shot when you finally catch them within 8m range.

I honestly am not bothered by this, and I actually agree with this post. DK is eatin good rn, I don't mind long range cowardly builds being the counterplay. Especially in Cyrodiil where you need to push points to really get anything done.

I'm old enough to remember when Crystal Weapon was nerfed due to its interaction with Elemental Weapon from Psijic, stacking both as a delayed Light Attack proc on StamSorc builds.

Then subclassing came out and... you can do the exact same thing with Crystal Weapon and Scholarship and the devs seemingly forgot about its problematic past and completely let it slide.

That interaction also needs to be broken-up just as Crystal Weapon + Elemental Weapon was broken-up in the past.

Munkfist wrote: »

Vengeance fixes all of these complaints, but we're not ready for that discussion yet.

Vengeance doesn’t fix Signet being at the top of nearly every parse like that… unless you’re referring to 👀 Vengeance PvE

We all know they will release it anyway. Just like Oakensoul and all the other mythics.

Mythics should not be in PvP environments if they will let them replace what used to take 3-5 build decisions with a single piece of gear.

That's really a problem no matter how you slice it, and it's why powercreep exists in the game.

Then ZOS later does a blanket power nerf to accommodate these mythics, whether through crit nerfs or other means.

I don't even want to talk about the difference in crit on the same exact build between 2018 and now. I think it dropped from 67% to 34%? All this to accommodate the power creep sets and mythics like this create.

This mythic won't just harm people who fight against users of it and get frustrated. It will harm them again when it results in nerfs to core systems to accommodate it, just like Oakensoul.

ZOS will probably be like "let's adjust status damage" and harm every other build using status damage/DoTs.

ZOS will probably be like "let's change these status effects" , and again, harm every other build using status damage or DoTs.

And what will happen is that it will make PvP even more of a tanky-burst META than we already have and completely cut off any real build options, which ha been the trend for the past 5 years since mythics have been added to the game.

I got a better idea: keep mythics out of PvP .

That might be controversial for some to hear that use them to make extreme builds that we apparently don't talk about on the forums for fear the nerf gun will be coming, but deep down everyone in this discussion knows that this isn't the first and it won't be the last mythic to threaten PvP.

And I'm also sure everyone knows how much drop off will occur when people realize that they cannot "compete" in PvP without doing an unfun grind in a zone full of hp sponges that do a bunch of damage, to play a mode that isn't even PvE.

Me? I know what I am doing. I'm not grinding anything; firing siege. I refuse to grind.

Munkfist wrote: »

Vengeance fixes all of these complaints, but we're not ready for that discussion yet.

Cringe, so does not playing the game and seems many were ready for that when the tests came out

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I'm old enough to remember when Crystal Weapon was nerfed due to its interaction with Elemental Weapon from Psijic, stacking both as a delayed Light Attack proc on StamSorc builds.

Then subclassing came out and... you can do the exact same thing with Crystal Weapon and Scholarship and the devs seemingly forgot about its problematic past and completely let it slide.

That interaction also needs to be broken-up just as Crystal Weapon + Elemental Weapon was broken-up in the past.

Honestly I don’t care about anything being nerfed besides xv1 ballgroups, everything else can be solved by building differently and not running full damage builds in Cyrodiil if you don’t wanna die as often.

Munkfist wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

Vengeance fixes all of these complaints, but we're not ready for that discussion yet.

Vengeance doesn’t fix Signet being at the top of nearly every parse like that… unless you’re referring to 👀 Vengeance PvE

Top of every warden parse. Great for single target fights, not so for aoe.

The majority of the complaints here are pertaining to Pvp and people getting rocked by it. Doesn't bother me if someone wants to run it in pve and gimp themselves in most fights. Situational in Pve. Doesn't seem to be the case in Pvp.

Everyone wants fixes to the current pvp environment, but won't even participate in testing to do so.

Play defensively (purge, roll, negate, heal). Request they just remove it altogether from pvp.

Wrong.

Werewolf (not my parse):
Warden (not my parse):
One thing you'll notice about the warden parse is that almost every skill is AoE, so definitely not a "single target fights only" thing. For AoE you'll just switch out Aerie's for another set.

The mythic is very overtuned for PvE as well and causes nerfs to abilities/passives with high status proc chance that are either fine or even underperforming when not utilized with the mythic.

Is it too late to Thanos snap this mythic out of existence and replace it with something else+ pretend it never existed?

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Well of course, its not enough

Oh no it's definitely enough. Because I'm talking about Vengeance. No balls no problem.

xylena wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Honestly I don’t care about anything being nerfed besides xv1 ballgroups

They did, you just don't like how they went about doing so.

Shattered Path Signet is gonna make players hate pressure builds the way the animal assassin one shot meta (powered by Monomyth Reforged) made players hate burst builds. Too many times this game sees entire classes and playstyles gutted for one stupid busted gear piece.

Exactly this. The devs usually seem like they'll want to nerf everything BUT the thing actually causing the problem. I'm HOPING this dev team will listen about Signet at least and fix it instead of blanket-nerfing things that aren't actually the problem.