Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience

Mission · May 5

Koshka wrote: »

But NM doesn't just cater to one player type. I see social guilds, casual pugs and raid guilds enjoying it equally.
People who play with strict self-imposed restrictions are a minority and cannot expect everything to cater to their tastes. Most casual players might not be interested in progging and guild stuff, but they join groups when it benefits them: to farm dolmens, event coffers, dragons, random normals and now NM.

The difference ,with maybe the exception of dragons and maybe a few normals that have group mechanics, all of those things you just listed are possible to solo completely

Serpentwing · May 5

I did not read all comments but for me it more a insance problem we go to the Night market but end upp in a instance less populated or in a populated zone that makes all the differeces for single players or smaller groups. So i think they should make the instances like fill upp the first then second and so on with players not randomly as it seems now.

Koshka · May 5

Mission wrote: »

Koshka wrote: »

But NM doesn't just cater to one player type. I see social guilds, casual pugs and raid guilds enjoying it equally.
People who play with strict self-imposed restrictions are a minority and cannot expect everything to cater to their tastes. Most casual players might not be interested in progging and guild stuff, but they join groups when it benefits them: to farm dolmens, event coffers, dragons, random normals and now NM.

The difference ,with maybe the exception of dragons and maybe a few normals that have group mechanics, all of those things you just listed are possible to solo completely

No, you cannot get rnd bonuses solo, unless they've changed something very recently. It automatically groups you with others.
And even if it's easy to solo a dolmen or a Craglorn gargoyle portal, people still group up for that... Because it's more efficient. You can be a solo casual player and still occasionally group up with others to do stuff. Most people do that, in fact - look at all the zergs during events. Nobody will take away your honorary solo player title if you use group finder or just follow some pugs.

BardokRedSnow · May 5

Athory wrote: »

Thank you for the reply. I genuinely believe this topic matters for all ESO players.
But I need to be completely direct about the issues:

1) “We wanted to try something different.”
Excluding casual/solo players from participating should never be an “experiment.”
That is not innovation, that is exclusion.

Except no one is forcing you to play this way, you are choosing to play solo. That is you being exclusionary to everyone else. That is a you problem, it is an mmo not a single player game, and even so, the vast majority of the content is already soloable.

CP5 · May 5

code65536 wrote: »

noneatza wrote: »

Hey man sorry for the offtopic, i'm noticing you using this character " — " a lot across your forum posts, where are you getting it ? I can't find it on my keyboard

Wait, there's a topic in this thread? I thought by this point it's just people munching on popcorn. But anyway, to answer your very good question, that character is called the emdash, with the "em" standing for the letter M. It's supposed to be a wide dash that, you guessed it, is the width of a (rather fat) letter M. There's also endash, and you can guess what that's supposed to be.

Grammatically, there are specific contexts where you are supposed to use emdash. Because emdash is usually not found on a typewriter (or a modern-day keyboard), the longstanding convention when it's not available is to just use two hypens. Modern word processes such as Microsoft Word will then convert a double-hypen to an emdash. You can also find the emdash (or endash) in Windows Character Map.

Real content right here.

frogthroat · May 5

code65536 wrote: »

noneatza wrote: »

Hey man sorry for the offtopic, i'm noticing you using this character " — " a lot across your forum posts, where are you getting it ? I can't find it on my keyboard

Wait, there's a topic in this thread? I thought by this point it's just people munching on popcorn. But anyway, to answer your very good question, that character is called the emdash, with the "em" standing for the letter M. It's supposed to be a wide dash that, you guessed it, is the width of a (rather fat) letter M. There's also endash, and you can guess what that's supposed to be.

Grammatically, there are specific contexts where you are supposed to use emdash. Because emdash is usually not found on a typewriter (or a modern-day keyboard), the longstanding convention when it's not available is to just use two hypens. Modern word processes such as Microsoft Word will then convert a double-hypen to an emdash. You can also find the emdash (or endash) in Windows Character Map.

Noneatza's question was not about where you find those characters on a keyboard/charmap.

Athory · May 5

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Athory wrote: »

Thank you for the reply. I genuinely believe this topic matters for all ESO players.
But I need to be completely direct about the issues:

1) “We wanted to try something different.”
Excluding casual/solo players from participating should never be an “experiment.”
That is not innovation, that is exclusion.

Except no one is forcing you to play this way, you are choosing to play solo. That is you being exclusionary to everyone else. That is a you problem, it is an mmo not a single player game, and even so, the vast majority of the content is already soloable.

I really believe 100 other players have told me that.
Don’t you read them? Oh… maybe they all get [snip][snip]. But I believe my answer to that is still out there… or [snip][snip] too. Well...

EDIT:
Why do we keep doing this?

I already told you, "I said I want to play alone because I really don’t want to join your group just to make your hardcore content easier". I’ve said this like 100 times already.

Then people come in and say: “You chose to play alone.” Why?! I know that… I literally just said that…
Then someone else comes and says: “You chose to play alone.” …and again… and again… and again…

What do you all actually expect?!

I’m not going to change my mind. You don’t need me, I don’t need you, we all go on happy…
But of course, someone’s going to show up and say exactly what I already said… again.

AScarlato · May 5

Mods will close your thread if you ask. They do it all the time.

I'm not sure why they close threads just because the OP asks for it, but they seem to do that.

Anyway you are not a victim, people can disagree with you about entertainment/gaming topics. Hope things calm down for you and you get the closure you desire.

AScarlato · May 5

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I wrote that, not Denver. I'm responding to you suggesting your thread that you started is open so you can be shamed. It seems you are getting a bit upset for whatever reason and some of your responses, in my observation and opinion, are starting to be a bit agitated and violate the forum rules, which is why they are removed or edited.

ESO's forums are more moderated than most other games and they don't let people devolve into insults and anger here.

If you are getting frustrated and feel you already replied to someone, you can also choose not to reply to specific posts which may help if you feel you are repeating yourself.

SilverBride · May 5

AScarlato wrote: »

Anyway you are not a victim, people can disagree with you about entertainment/gaming topics. Hope things calm down for you and you get the closure you desire.

I agree that other players can disagree with us, and if it stopped there that would be fine. But often those disagreeing resort to criticizing and insulting the poster they disagree with, rather than just presenting their opposing view of the topic. I know this all too well.

AScarlato · May 5

SilverBride wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

Anyway you are not a victim, people can disagree with you about entertainment/gaming topics. Hope things calm down for you and you get the closure you desire.

I agree that other players can disagree with us, and if it stopped there that would be fine. But often those disagreeing resort to criticizing and insulting the poster they disagree with, rather than just presenting their opposing view of the topic. I know this all too well.

Just yesterday someone told a person here that likes the event that they have no integrity. It comes out of nowhere. Hopefully that was moderated, but it happens on both sides.

SilverBride · May 5

AScarlato wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

Anyway you are not a victim, people can disagree with you about entertainment/gaming topics. Hope things calm down for you and you get the closure you desire.

I agree that other players can disagree with us, and if it stopped there that would be fine. But often those disagreeing resort to criticizing and insulting the poster they disagree with, rather than just presenting their opposing view of the topic. I know this all too well.

Just yesterday someone told a person here that likes the event that they have no integrity. It comes out of nowhere. Hopefully that was moderated, but it happens on both sides.

I can show an example of what I am referring to if I can DM you. I do not want to post it here.

AScarlato · May 5

SilverBride wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

Anyway you are not a victim, people can disagree with you about entertainment/gaming topics. Hope things calm down for you and you get the closure you desire.

I agree that other players can disagree with us, and if it stopped there that would be fine. But often those disagreeing resort to criticizing and insulting the poster they disagree with, rather than just presenting their opposing view of the topic. I know this all too well.

Just yesterday someone told a person here that likes the event that they have no integrity. It comes out of nowhere. Hopefully that was moderated, but it happens on both sides.

I can show an example of what I am referring to if I can DM you. I do not want to post it here.

I definitely agree that we should not be insulting each other as people over whether we like Night Market for sure.

SilverBride · May 5

AScarlato wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I can show an example of what I am referring to if I can DM you. I do not want to post it here.

I definitely agree that we should not be insulting each other as people over whether we like Night Market for sure.

But it happens as I can personally attest to.

AScarlato · May 5

SilverBride wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I can show an example of what I am referring to if I can DM you. I do not want to post it here.

I definitely agree that we should not be insulting each other as people over whether we like Night Market for sure.

But it happens as I can personally attest to.

Even though we sometimes disagree, and disagree on this topic, you have admirable patience and resolve for your positions. I have seen some of what you are referring to, and that really is not appropriate.

SilverBride · May 5

AScarlato wrote: »

Even though we sometimes disagree, and disagree on this topic, you have admirable patience and resolve for your positions. I have seen some of what you are referring to, and that really is not appropriate.

There was a very hot topic several years ago that I was on one side of the arguement and another poster was on the opposite. One day we found out we had both just joined the same guild. Well we started talking and 5 years later we are still very good friends. And what made that possible is that neither of us ever criticized the other... we just presented our views as we saw them and didn't make it personal. To this day we still have different views on some topics but we accept that and it doesn't affect our friendship.

But too often the opposite happens...

Athory · May 5

There are 2 or 3 players here who I always disagree with, and I believe they never agree with me either. But we both keep respect for each others, share points of view, and present arguments, and then at some point someone steps back because we understand there’s nothing more to discuss. And that’s how a forum should work… at least that’s what I think. (I won’t reply regardless of whether you agree or disagree.)

EDIT: Like in this topic… there’s nothing left to argue about regarding the original point. But it seems like I’m the only one who understands that. Lol!

SundarahFr3akinrican · May 5

MaraxusTheOrc wrote: »

The road map for the rest of the year is very heavy on solo friendly content from expanding thieves guild quests to rumors to solo dungeons. I haven’t touched night market because I’m just not interested in a lot of group content in ESO, but it’s also pretty clear based on the next year’s roadmap ESO is still very much a solo friendly MMO and not changing.

PvP players get maybe one or two events a year. Group-focused players get maybe a trial and two dungeons a year. ESO largely caters to casual and solo play, and I say this as someone who mostly plays casually and solo.

Absolutely. Thank you understanding solo player. From a group player /hug

BardokRedSnow · May 5

Athory wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Athory wrote: »

Thank you for the reply. I genuinely believe this topic matters for all ESO players.
But I need to be completely direct about the issues:

1) “We wanted to try something different.”
Excluding casual/solo players from participating should never be an “experiment.”
That is not innovation, that is exclusion.

Except no one is forcing you to play this way, you are choosing to play solo. That is you being exclusionary to everyone else. That is a you problem, it is an mmo not a single player game, and even so, the vast majority of the content is already soloable.

I really believe 100 other players have told me that.
Don’t you read them? Oh… maybe they all get [snip][snip]. But I believe my answer to that is still out there… or [snip][snip] too. Well...

EDIT:
Why do we keep doing this?

I already told you, "I said I want to play alone because I really don’t want to join your group just to make your hardcore content easier". I’ve said this like 100 times already.

Then people come in and say: “You chose to play alone.” Why?! I know that… I literally just said that…
Then someone else comes and says: “You chose to play alone.” …and again… and again… and again…

What do you all actually expect?!

I’m not going to change my mind. You don’t need me, I don’t need you, we all go on happy…
But of course, someone’s going to show up and say exactly what I already said… again.

Did not expect all of this to blow up from my one comment but all I have to say to the response is:

I am not the others, so I don't care what others have said, I saw your post and wanted to address it. Simple as that, this is what a forum is for, and Zos sees and interacts with these posts. It has the chance to steer the future of the game, which is massive.

On that note I do not want Zos to have the false notion that we do not want group content to be challenging just because the rest of the game isn't. The only reason I made solo builds and chose to play things solo was because the game was so easy otherwise, grouping with people wasn't worth the hassle. It wasn't fun. And that's why I tend to take long breaks from the game, it gets stale. I do house, I do quest, but its not what I log in for primarily. Working to a goal of getting better at pvp, looking forward to conquering challenges with my friends and perhaps making more in the process. Thats unique to MMOs and why despite so much wrong with the game, I eventually come back. And hopefully stay.

To that end Night Market has achieved this for my group of friends, and my friends are almost all pvpers in some capacity primarily. To get us to pve not just for the pvp gear is massive. So when you say to me you don't need me, I don't need you, you don't wanna help me make the hardcore content easier etc, then so be it, your spot is filled in the group finder very quickly. But because I am also a customer I am gonna say my piece and will be heard. If you dislike this don't make threads.

The developers themselves stated their mindset. Content for everyone, including solo players, but this is an MMO and that means the focus needs to be on group content, challenging and otherwise. It is ridiculous to complain about free content aimed at other players besides yourself for once, in a sea of easy solo content even after the developers explain their reasoning for it existing and stating they're taking criticisms despite that.

Athory · May 5

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Athory wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Athory wrote: »

Thank you for the reply. I genuinely believe this topic matters for all ESO players.
But I need to be completely direct about the issues:

1) “We wanted to try something different.”
Excluding casual/solo players from participating should never be an “experiment.”
That is not innovation, that is exclusion.

Except no one is forcing you to play this way, you are choosing to play solo. That is you being exclusionary to everyone else. That is a you problem, it is an mmo not a single player game, and even so, the vast majority of the content is already soloable.

I really believe 100 other players have told me that.
Don’t you read them? Oh… maybe they all get [snip][snip]. But I believe my answer to that is still out there… or [snip][snip] too. Well...

EDIT:
Why do we keep doing this?

I already told you, "I said I want to play alone because I really don’t want to join your group just to make your hardcore content easier". I’ve said this like 100 times already.

Then people come in and say: “You chose to play alone.” Why?! I know that… I literally just said that…
Then someone else comes and says: “You chose to play alone.” …and again… and again… and again…

What do you all actually expect?!

I’m not going to change my mind. You don’t need me, I don’t need you, we all go on happy…
But of course, someone’s going to show up and say exactly what I already said… again.

Did not expect all of this to blow up from my one comment but all I have to say to the response is:

I am not the others, so I don't care what others have said, I saw your post and wanted to address it. Simple as that, this is what a forum is for, and Zos sees and interacts with these posts. It has the chance to steer the future of the game, which is massive.

On that note I do not want Zos to have the false notion that we do not want group content to be challenging just because the rest of the game isn't. The only reason I made solo builds and chose to play things solo was because the game was so easy otherwise, grouping with people wasn't worth the hassle. It wasn't fun. And that's why I tend to take long breaks from the game, it gets stale. I do house, I do quest, but its not what I log in for primarily. Working to a goal of getting better at pvp, looking forward to conquering challenges with my friends and perhaps making more in the process. Thats unique to MMOs and why despite so much wrong with the game, I eventually come back. And hopefully stay.

To that end Night Market has achieved this for my group of friends, and my friends are almost all pvpers in some capacity primarily. To get us to pve not just for the pvp gear is massive. So when you say to me you don't need me, I don't need you, you don't wanna help me make the hardcore content easier etc, then so be it, your spot is filled in the group finder very quickly. But because I am also a customer I am gonna say my piece and will be heard. If you dislike this don't make threads.

The developers themselves stated their mindset. Content for everyone, including solo players, but this is an MMO and that means the focus needs to be on group content, challenging and otherwise. It is ridiculous to complain about free content aimed at other players besides yourself for once, in a sea of easy solo content even after the developers explain their reasoning for it existing and stating they're taking criticisms despite that.

Aaaand…

I believe no one is against group content in-game.
I also believe ZoS should add even more group content to the game.
I also don’t like the overland part—it’s too damn easy, and it feels like a shame for a game like ESO.
I also want overland difficulty to be added to the game yesterday.
I like the [snip] market.
Of course I should be able to make threads when I don’t like something—that’s called feedback, right?
I really, really hope ZoS adds a super hardcore mode to overland, because with the power creep we already have, and will likely continue to get in the future, a super hardcore mode will be needed to keep the challenge in overland content. This could also help avoid future issues with difficulty.

Wait… I already said all of this before. The [snip] market has only one point I truly believe is wrong, just one. The rest, I agree with most players here and in other threads about it. There is only one specific point I don’t like, and that’s what led me to create this thread.

So what else can I say to you? We already agree on almost everything. What exactly are we still trying to argue about? I truly agree with you on most points, there’s just that one issue with the [snip] market. Why argue with me about everything else if we both agree on all of that?!

edit:
If you don’t read all the topics and if you ask me, I can tell you exactly again what the real problem is for me with the [snip] market. If you want that, I can do it… but then we’ll end up creating another 200 topics about the same thing all over again.

EDIT2:
Oh, I missed the PvP part. Just to make it clear, that was intentional because I don’t do PvP at all, I don’t like it, I don’t care for it, and it’s not my thing, so I have absolutely nothing to say about it, good or bad. It’s not my fight. Whatever ZoS changes there… it’s not my fight!
I would, however, love to pick up Alliance War skills in PvE. But beyond that, I don’t really care about PvP in ESO.

shadoza · May 5

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They have a right and an obligation to air their grievances.
MMO = Massive multiplayer online There is no group in that term
Telling someone to leave the game for saying something YOU don't like is likely why they feel exiled in the start.

shadoza · May 5

Firstmep wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Athory wrote: »

Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?

Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?

To answer the core questions asked:

Q: Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
A: No.

Q:Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
A: No.

Just following up here generally. We hear the feedback from solo players about the Night Market content. We want to follow up with just few things.

We have no intention of pushing solo players out of the game. However, we started this year off by noting that we were going to try some new things. Night Market is one of them. While we always provide group players with trials, we also wanted to try something different. This was not to alienate solo players, but rather to add a new way to play. That being said, we do hear the feedback and have passed that on our teams for future consideration, especially for when Night Market comes back later in the year. Remember, part of the ethos of this event is to add to it over time.

As several have noted in this thread as well, we have a roadmap that is publicly available. The point of the roadmap is to showcase the content we have coming throughout the year. As is noted on the roadmap and current PTS testing, we have plenty of solo friendly content as well. Thieves Guild and Sheogorath Questlines, Favors system, Rumors system, Two Solo Dungeons, Sage's Vault, and the list can keep going. And that is all on top of existing content. We also understand that not every piece of content will be for everyone, and that is okay.

We know this may come off as a contentious statement, but it does bear repeating. While we are an Elder Scrolls game, we are also an MMO. Storytelling and the heart of solo adventure will always be an important part of ESO. However, some of our event/ event zone content will be focused on encouraging group play. It is the nature of the genre. Additionally, we know just like there are players who come for solo content, there are also players who come for group content and challenging group content. So we want to make sure we are providing new things for them as well.

We'll close with this. Last year, we saw many threads throughout the year asking us to address content and find new ways of renewing the gameplay experience, both in variety and challenge. We are in the first passes of this now with items like Night Market going live. But we will have content throughout the year to address both solo and group play within the community. The feedback is helpful to steer us on the right track. So thanks to everyone, both solo players and group players, who have given their constructive feedback regarding the Night Market. The team is taking a look at what can be done during this current running and what can be adjusted for the next run of the Night Market.

I just want to remind everyone, anyone, that MMO does NOT mean grouping. It never meant grouping. It meant shared map. It meant socializing. Using the term Massive Multi-player Online to provide an excuse to push grouping and guilds is trying too hard to validate attempting to change the way we play.

Push what? This game has over a decade worth of solo content, and they are going add solo dungeons in the near future. If anything the removal of the 4 group dungeons this year is a shift more towards solo friendly content.

Push grouping and guilds. I pointed that out in this statement: "Using the term Massive Multi-player Online to provide an excuse to push grouping and guilds . . . "

shadoza · May 5

Prophet_of_Malacath wrote: »

MMOs & Groups:
Everquest had 72-player raids. That's 6 groups of 12.

And if you died, you didn't respawn with your gear - you had to run naked, from the last city you bound in, back to the same location in your raid before the monsters spawned. You had to revisit your body to loot your gear.

WoW had 40-man raids, then 10 & 25-man raids since WotLK. They've added other sizes since then.

MMOs have always had content demanding far larger groups than ESO ever has. The 4-man & 12-man teams in ESO are casual friendly; the Group Finder is casual friendly.

The Night Market is not Overland / Difficulty+ content. That stuff releases later this year.

The Night Market is more akin to a "pre-Trial" zone. You kill Bosses to unlock Dungeon Bosses; you kill Dungeon Bosses to reach the Trial. The "target audience" enjoying it are folks intimidated by Dungeons, Trials & Veteran content - suddenly realizing "oh hey, this isn't so bad". They see even "pros" die. They see that teamwork & rezzing folks means even a low-level can save the team. The zones have quests, races, puzzles that can be soloed - most mob packs too. I've killed a Boss with just 4 people (like any Dungeon).

The Night Market is not Overland.
The Night Market is a warm-up for Group/Dungeon/Trial content.

And it's a brilliant one, considering how many timid players are realizing "oh wow, I can totally do this".

No they haven't. When MMOs originated, grouping was not involved. Most MMOs didn't even have a chat options.

I also disagree that ESO grouping is casual friendly. The group finder doesn't function because players don't use it. They scream out in zone chat -- which is also annoying. Grouping in ESO is toxic and is more often a painful experience for someone who just came for entertainment. ESO players in groups can be as toxic and disagreeable as they are in this thread. Some moving toward being hostile, some kicking players out, while other just constantly argue that THEIR way is best.

The Night Market is forced group content. (Forced because it is NOT doable solo.) Since it was billed as something everyone can do, player who choose to run solo or with one friend have a legitimate complaint.

(I do not believe that a single 'timid' player suddenly realized they are a groupie. They likely tried it and left because dying and trying to return to the group is not fun. Watching cappers kill without being killed is not fun. This event was designed for players that do heavy dungeons. Without the CP points and the dungeon gears, a player does not have a chance at participating. The most they can do is follow behind and pick up scraps like dogs. That is not a good feeling.

shadoza · May 5

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Your post is toxic with elitism.
You are not helping anyone out when you attack them.
You are not helping anyone when you belittle a player or player style.

If you do not agree with the topic, you can just ignore it.

AScarlato · May 5

shadoza wrote: »

Telling someone to leave the game for saying something YOU don't like is likely why they feel exiled in the start.

At least they already want to be alone so they should be better equipped to handle feelings of exile lol.

BardokRedSnow · May 5

shadoza wrote: »

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Your post is toxic with elitism.
You are not helping anyone out when you attack them.
You are not helping anyone when you belittle a player or player style.

If you do not agree with the topic, you can just ignore it.

You can give it as many adjectives as you like but he was spot on. Too many in this community took the "play as you like" statement from zos as they will cater to how you decide to play. That isn't the case and never should be.

Its also pretty presumptuous to say anyone needs to comment to help you rather than simply tell it like it is, so that you maybe can help yourself. Especially since that's what solo players are supposed to do. No?

Sephyr · May 5

DenverRalphy wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

noneatza wrote: »

Hey man sorry for the offtopic, i'm noticing you using this character " — " a lot across your forum posts, where are you getting it ? I can't find it on my keyboard

Wait, there's a topic in this thread? I thought by this point it's just people munching on popcorn. But anyway, to answer your very good question, that character is called the emdash, with the "em" standing for the letter M. It's supposed to be a wide dash that, you guessed it, is the width of a (rather fat) letter M. There's also endash, and you can guess what that's supposed to be.

Grammatically, there are specific contexts where you are supposed to use emdash. Because emdash is usually not found on typewriter (or a modern-day keyboard), the usual convention when it's not available is to just use two hypens. Modern word processes such as Microsoft Word will then convert a double-hypen to an emdash. You can also find the emdash (or endash) in Windows Character Map.

May be worth noting that in Windows you can use the [Win] + [.] or [Win] + [;] shortcuts for quick access to the Character Map/Emoji/Emoticons/etc. The linux/mac equivalent escapes me atm.

Honestly I just use the alt codes with my number pad. I've been using them since before AI stole them.

And for those wondering (if you're a Windows user), emdashes (—) are alt+0151. Endashes are alt+0150 (–). Don't use the pluses, just hold alt and type that sequence of numbers on your number pad and voila!

But yeah, the way you stated is way easier. I just forget cause the number pad way is muscle memory at this point.

Skjaldbjorn · May 5

shadoza wrote: »

Your post is toxic with elitism.
You are not helping anyone out when you attack them.
You are not helping anyone when you belittle a player or player style.

If you do not agree with the topic, you can just ignore it.

Or I can engage with it, just as they chose to post it. Easy. If you don't like my answers, that's fine. That's your right. All good. But I am not going to sit here and be accused of "using" people like him when his argument doesn't even make logical sense at the most base level.

sleepy_worm · May 6

shadoza wrote: »

The group finder doesn't function because players don't use it.

This is not true. Group Finder groups for trials regularly fill. Group Finder groups for Night Market fill within 60 seconds.

shadoza wrote: »

The Night Market is forced group content. (Forced because it is NOT doable solo.)

This is also not true. You can teleport to someone in a busy instance if you want to zerg. Unless you meant multi-player content, as you would be following around other players. If you meant multi-player content, I agree that is what it is.

shadoza wrote: »

Without the CP points and the dungeon gears, a player does not have a chance at participating.

And this is absolutely not true. I have been playing with CP 100 or level 12 characters quite often. They are very clearly participating.

shadoza · May 6

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

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Your post is toxic with elitism.
You are not helping anyone out when you attack them.
You are not helping anyone when you belittle a player or player style.

If you do not agree with the topic, you can just ignore it.

You can give it as many adjectives as you like but he was spot on. Too many in this community took the "play as you like" statement from zos as they will cater to how you decide to play. That isn't the case and never should be.

Its also pretty presumptuous to say anyone needs to comment to help you rather than simply tell it like it is, so that you maybe can help yourself. Especially since that's what solo players are supposed to do. No?

They were rude.
No. You are being rude as well.
If you have a valid argument. Argue the post instead of attacking the posters. That is all I am saying.