katorga wrote: »

Seems kinda meh to me.

I've been using various varieties of crushing shock pvp builds for years and its always been relatively effective.

Pulse gank build is basically winterborn + 1 other proc set, draugrkin, way of fire were the sets 2-3 years ago. They still work fine today. What supercharges it today is sublcassing acranist and sorc for two more beefy procs on light attack. LA into Crushing nets you six damage sources, two set procs, and a 60% or better chance for 5 status effects in one GCD.

Works great with shattered path, but also just as effective with Monomyth, or even Oakensoul.

Maybe but Ele Sus is for free and does more damage with the right spec than what it should. You can easily get 1mil+ in a BG just from Ele Sus. That should not be a thing.

Firstmep wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

From what I have heard yeah that needs nerfing in PVP. (So... I guess I'm gonna try pulse ganking before it gets nerfed...)

ZOS has made a whole mechanic, battle spirit, but for some reason refuses to use it. They could leave it for PVE and nerf it in PVP by using something like "when battle spirit is active, these values are halved" or something. But, for some unknown reason, ZOS rarely relies on battle spirit.

It already has that. It's ready halved for battle spirit. And even with that it's that busted.

You're right. Just double checked. I'm just so used to them not using that I didn't even check.

Freez6661 wrote: »

finally something fun in this game that allows us to counter play all those huge fat *** with 23242 sources of heals let us play and enjoy the game first time in 3 years

and bring back 3 sided BGs please

It's not like we were in a low damage meta before this ring.

Another P2W trash like Monomyth last year.

Some goober blaming Serpents Disdain in another thread for what SPS is doing.

xylena wrote: »

Another P2W trash like Monomyth last year.

Some goober blaming Serpents Disdain in another thread for what SPS is doing.

You payin for it? It’s free from the night market lol

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

Seems kinda meh to me.

I've been using various varieties of crushing shock pvp builds for years and its always been relatively effective.

Pulse gank build is basically winterborn + 1 other proc set, draugrkin, way of fire were the sets 2-3 years ago. They still work fine today. What supercharges it today is sublcassing acranist and sorc for two more beefy procs on light attack. LA into Crushing nets you six damage sources, two set procs, and a 60% or better chance for 5 status effects in one GCD.

Works great with shattered path, but also just as effective with Monomyth, or even Oakensoul.

Maybe but Ele Sus is for free and does more damage with the right spec than what it should. You can easily get 1mil+ in a BG just from Ele Sus. That should not be a thing.

I agree in theory with that statement, but I have several builds where extreme focus on a narrow skill/ability can generate extreme performance. Much of that is dependent on the quality of the target.

A more effective argument would be made by a player like the OP being wrecked by the build rather than wrecking others with it.

Ankael07 wrote: »

Until they find a fix to this build Im gonna use Esoteric Environment mythic and Sentry set


Esoteric gives you enough time to react + go after the enemy with Sentry's infinite detection range

Edit: Necro's bone armor has a morph that auto-pulls people attacking from range.

katorga wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

Seems kinda meh to me.

I've been using various varieties of crushing shock pvp builds for years and its always been relatively effective.

Pulse gank build is basically winterborn + 1 other proc set, draugrkin, way of fire were the sets 2-3 years ago. They still work fine today. What supercharges it today is sublcassing acranist and sorc for two more beefy procs on light attack. LA into Crushing nets you six damage sources, two set procs, and a 60% or better chance for 5 status effects in one GCD.

Works great with shattered path, but also just as effective with Monomyth, or even Oakensoul.

Maybe but Ele Sus is for free and does more damage with the right spec than what it should. You can easily get 1mil+ in a BG just from Ele Sus. That should not be a thing.

I agree in theory with that statement, but I have several builds where extreme focus on a narrow skill/ability can generate extreme performance. Much of that is dependent on the quality of the target.

A more effective argument would be made by a player like the OP being wrecked by the build rather than wrecking others with it.

How the incoming damage looks like on the receiving end... my build is pretty tanky as well with 36k health, lots of heal over times, 6 impen etc.

https://www.twitch.tv/decimus/clip/TacitApatheticDinosaurArsonNoSexy-CNGtyAF72wroaIj5

https://www.twitch.tv/decimus/clip/AmazonianResourcefulLocustNerfRedBlaster-S8VMuDR3EJO4lvmL


I've heard a few things mentioned here:
Elemental Susceptibility

Not really the main culprit here because elemental susceptibility is balanced when you compare it to class abilities such as Deep Fissure or Disintegrating Dragonfire, which are usually run in place of ele sus on corresponding builds. Elemental Susceptibility only crosses the threshold of being broken when run with this mythic.

Monomyth/Velothi/Any Previous "OP" Mythics/Sets

These provide universal buffs to all damage and don't funnel your gameplay into spamming one almost unavoidable ability.

In PvE, these mythics don't buff otherwise weak abilities/builds into the state of being broken, which then results in these abilities and builds getting nerfs and being even weaker for anyone not running the mythic. Game becomes impossible to balance when the entire balance hinges on running a certain mythic.

"Seems kinda meh", "not that amazing"

Not sure if trolling, but this mythic is BiS on pretty much every build (PvP or PvE) currently and is the main reason many things are considered "op" by players testing on PTS - for example on werewolf status effects with this mythic are providing 50% of the DPS in PvP because werewolf has a high density of guaranteed status effects to proc when dealing damage.

Currently on the skeleton target dummy I'm consistently doing 40k DPS by just spamming Elemental Susceptibility - for comparison most viable PvP builds do around that with multiple DoTs/delayed burst skills etc

Decimus wrote: »

I've heard a few things mentioned here:
Elemental Susceptibility

Not really the main culprit here because elemental susceptibility is balanced when you compare it to class abilities such as Deep Fissure or Disintegrating Dragonfire, which are usually run in place of ele sus on corresponding builds. Elemental Susceptibility only crosses the threshold of being broken when run with this mythic.

It is not balanced. It’s a free skill that lasts longer than any other(?) debuff there is, has extreme range, and ticks 3 different status effects. It really shouldn’t be compared to Beetles or Breath. It’s supposed to be a utility skill and it’s being used as a damage skill. Beetles/breath are damage skills with utility. Not the same.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I've been calling to nerf Ele Sus for years but folk always come out of the woodwork to proclaim that it is somehow balanced, heh.

Folk really will make any argument, no matter how ridiculous, to keep their overpowered toys.

The underlying issue is that status effects deal way too much damage, with 0 drawbacks
Status effect damage has been overperforming for years. You can find overtuned status effect pressure builds as far back as Morrowind patch. Status effects should get a major overhaul and be more about unique debuffs rather than being free damage procs.

P.S
To add to someone earlier in the thread saying they'd use Esoteric to deal with the status effect damage.....since status effects are considered as "procs", and won't proc other procs, Esoteric ain't gonna mitigate the damage from status effects

I swear I see this exact post for every new mythic released. Maybe just ban mythics in pvp?

Every time a good thing happens for PvE, the PvP crowd goes into meltdown mode.
They rage.
They complain.
They threaten to quit, call it the end of ESO.
And then, they adapt.

All I wish for is a little less noise.

I’m a long time werewolf player. If mythic nerf is not a consideration for now- please disable for werewolf just like you changed/hampered it due to prior egregious interaction with Feral Guardian.

I don’t want to remotely feel the need to farm or use it due to its vile efficiency and I don’t want it negatively intertwined with my ~werewolf balance~.

K thanks, byeeeeeee

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Major_Mangle wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I've been calling to nerf Ele Sus for years but folk always come out of the woodwork to proclaim that it is somehow balanced, heh.

Folk really will make any argument, no matter how ridiculous, to keep their overpowered toys.

The underlying issue is that status effects deal way too much damage, with 0 drawbacks
Status effect damage has been overperforming for years. You can find overtuned status effect pressure builds as far back as Morrowind patch. Status effects should get a major overhaul and be more about unique debuffs rather than being free damage procs.

P.S
To add to someone earlier in the thread saying they'd use Esoteric to deal with the status effect damage.....since status effects are considered as "procs", and won't proc other procs, Esoteric ain't gonna mitigate the damage from status effects

That's not how that works lol. Esoteric works with any direct damage, proc sets and status effects included.

Proc sets have always procced "take damage" effects. They just can't proc anything else on the user's side.

Think of procs as pets; they count as their own entity. A user's own proc effect cannot proc another proc set that the user is wearing because the proc effect is not "wearing" the proc set.

However, on the target side, it doesn't matter what the source is. A set that procs upon taking damage doesn't care what the source of said damage is, because the target is wearing the set and any damage the target takes will proc the effect.

Either ZOS changed/fixed that or I´ve been misinformed then. I mainly base that on what people found out when Esoteric was first added to the game on PTS (I know it had some strange interactions with taking damage while having a shield active etc).

Decimus wrote: »

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Every time a good thing happens for PvE, the PvP crowd goes into meltdown mode.
They rage.
They complain.
They threaten to quit, call it the end of ESO.
And then, they adapt.

All I wish for is a little less noise.

Where is the "good thing that happened for PvE"?

Unless you consider class and skill balance being calibrated around the assumption that everyone runs this mythic a good thing. I don't, because it is a shaky foundation and leaves everyone not running the mythic in the dust, whether it's in PvP or PvE.


I have already adapted by running this mythic on multiple builds, but this doesn't mean it's fun or good for the game... so you'll have to listen to this "noise" until the problem is solved. Sorry.

Maybe this is the beginning of the mold for Vengeance PvE? They may have started early.

Remathilis wrote: »

Major_Mangle wrote: »

Remathilis wrote: »

I swear I see this exact post for every new mythic released. Maybe just ban mythics in pvp?

What part of this mythic also being insanely overtuned in PvE did you miss?

Are the monsters and bosses whining for nerfs now?

The set already includes a Battle Spirit provision that can/should be beefed-up with any change.

That doesn't touch PvE.