First, I'm in my 70's and my Lady is as well our days of hand eye coordination is pretty much gone ---- We both pay for the game and buy the addons etc so NOTHING we do or get is SO CALLED "FREE" as we pay with real hard earned "MONEY" and our "TIME" --- ESO is a story explore game NOT a RUN GUN and Die Console Platform game where you follow the pack and hopefully get what you needed done (which so far hasn't happened) --- there is no time to do any quest without dying and when you do you are teleported all the way on the other side of the map respawned (just like the old DOS games - what a joke in this day and age of gaming) -
It is fine to have this event like it is for the younger and more powerful players BUT it isn't even nowhere near about ESO as a game of story and exploring AND isn't fair to those who can't even hope of getting what is locked away behind the end of the event especially to those who pay every year and then pay for the extras

Think maybe it should be in different levels of difficulty

ESO has different level of players and how they play Yes, it supposed to be Multiplayer BUT as You see a large portion of Your player base is solo players or 2 players jumping in for some fun LIKE my Lady and Myself who Pay the price every year and buy the extras

HuciturGuru wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno ZOS_JessicaFolsom just wanted to bring your attention to an image claiming to be from ZOS making the rounds. Obviously you can see its fake but paints ZOS in a bad way

AHAHAHA that is HYSTERICAL! I'm laughing! I don't see ZOS actually making this sorta thing, but dang it's funny!! Someone has a great sense of humor!

(poster and tags removed - not necessary just wanting to convey my giggling!)

Going to go against the grain here so NM is definitely growing on me. It's intense and challenging, unlike normal ESO gaming, which I think is the root of much distaste for it. Having a group, especially a half decent one, is a total gamechanger. In game the experience is confusing - why would my character go to this location? I only arrived using out-of-game info. How would he know to create the relic using splinters, or even what a relic was? Never explained afaik.

Here are a few bugs I am seeing in NM.

1) Sometimes changing gear while in a district will cause the gear to not proc. This has happened to me with Death Dealer Fete, Daedric Trickery and Slivers of Null Arca. They fail to proc until you go back to the plaza, un-equip and re-equip.

2) District quests failing to produce the points you have to interact with. Last evening, was in a group with some players that had the same quests as I did (ie Propaganda). The objectives were appearing for them, but not for me, and the reverse happened to someone else, where I could see the objective and they could not. This is not a case of them not being easy to find, they are literally not spawning where they should be. Only fix is to abandon and hope it doesn't happen the next time you pick up the quest. Wondering if going back to the plaza mid-quest is causing them to depopulate?

You can do some solo stuff but it's slow tedious & takes a long time. Stealth, running dying or some mobs etc all to gain favor but once you hit 5000 there's no point.

Having more than one player (at least 5-10) is a necessity otherwise for any bosses.

Grouping with people not knowing that aoes & other non dot skills (cones, floaters etc) are completely useless when they keep running around moving the bosses from here to there, then trying to reload onto a character with high resistances & taunts of course I get an infinite loading screen.

I soloed the parch duneripper to get leads for the shattered paths signet & was almost close to killing it one time when I got an error that shutdown ESO. Tried to log back on but got internal error - somehow didn't lose my mind but it sucks that NM is hard in that you need other players or to not have errors or you lose progress on things or don't get loot even though you spent ages fighting something.

It's sometimes cool & fun but also incredibly frustrating as I'm logging on when I can & there seems to be like 5 people in the zone - this is a problem. Players are entering NM randomly with a low chance of finding a group.

Some people have all the district relics already & run into organised groups or have guild groups but I feel like it might take up most of the limited timespan of NM just to get them especially when RNG is involved.

The giant circles for the daily quests like Fatal Flask need to be reduced to small circles that show the exact location of the item you're looking for. These should not be needle in a hay stack quests when you're having to do them in the middle of veteran Trials enemies. The enemies already provide the difficulty.

ive had frankly not the best luck with grouping personally.
A few times ive managed and its been fun. But then its either a group that attempts the skirmish, and it fails horribly and people leave or no one does the 1 or 2 bosses I dont have splinters for yet, just like, avoiding them entirely when doing boss farming (namely that big reptilian centaur daedra guy, looks kinda like a Vavakia from pathfinder to those familiar, if one was red.). At least I got the mythic now though. I think that was the easiest mythic to get honestly, but that will likely change when groups die down more towards the end of this event. So really this event has a much smaller time-limit because folk will get bored and move on, leading to a smaller population, leading to smaller groups, leading to things not being able to be completed through group finder.
If this content had a normal mode, I think there would be a greater population to play with, and the event wont eventually be as barren as I fear it might become. At the very least, it would allow folk who are latecomers to the event be able to do some stuff with smaller groups. As it stands I dont think folk are going to stick around for the full event. I certainly dont want to, I want to get the wings to the house and leave, as the grind is just a smidge too much for me to want to aim for the title and dye. I keep finding myself in absolutely barren instances still too.
I find that there isnt even too many groups in group finder too. Maybe im just unlucky or doing so at the wrong times of the day. Ive only managed to complete one skirmish and its certainly an experience to do with group finder groups. usually there is about 1-3 group finder groups, and im on PC NA with the most populated night market faction. Im hoping im just incredibly unlucky there.

Overall while I have had a fair amount of fun when things did click, my complaints are the same, and I think that some extra accessibility options would go a long way for the longevity of the event being actually playable. If there was a normal mode was more dungeon or maybe even something ike bastion nymic difficulty (I think Bastion Nymic difficulty would be better for a normal mode really), then there would be less chance of latecomers to the event being out of luck entirely. I can do the content, considering ive been able to partake and (at least I believe) pull my weight in a skirmish and help complete one. I can kill groups of trash mobs by myself if I switch to my solo build (which isnt viable for group play due to Pale Order being used. But im definitely worried about the longevity of this event having players in it.

I never got the chance to test the Night Market in the PTS, and now having actually hoped in on it in game; I hope it never comes back. Or atleast not how it currently is.

Maybe if you have friends/guildmates to go in and do it then I could see people having fun, but as a solo player who thought I'd be able to team up with a few other random peeps I meet in the market, I'm not having any fun with it and tbh I don't have much insentive to even really want to be there. For me personally, I'm only interested in the Valenwood Skull Blocks furnishing & the 5k favour seasonal tomb quest, and I've given up on any hope of getting either of those.

I honestly don't think many people are interested in general, when the seasonal tomb quest to kill 1000 creatures in Hews bane, Goldcoast or Wrothgar first started the zones were absolutley packed immeditaly and I couldn't go 5 seconds without running into another player; whereas I see another player maybe once every 20 minutes when I'm in the Night Market districts. I run into more players when I'm soloing harrowstorms in the Reach more often than I'm running into them in the Night Market.

Not to mention, even if (which seems to be a big if) enough players were in a district to kill the available bossess, (from how it looks) the progression leads into dungeon instances & eventully a trial instance? So, unless I'm misunderstanding, I couldn't even attempt those with randoms I meet along the way anyway?

I know ESO is an MMO, Mass Multiplayer Online, so multiplayer focused content should be expected. But from how it had been described was that it'd be difficult content, but not impossible to solo, and that'd it'd be unlikley you'd even get the chance to truly solo because there would be other players all doing the same thing like usual in events. Despite being a multiplayer focused event, it feels and seems to be far more devoid of other players than any other zone event.

So this post doesn't go on forever, I'm just going to bullet point the rest of my thoughts:

• Too many instances. Though this is speculation on my part, I believe that a huge reason as to why it feels so dead is due to it being split into so many instances. You have the Market, the three disticts, the three dungeons & the trial; the more spread out players are going to be the less you're going to run into each other. For Multiplayer focused zones, they're cannabilising eachother for player numbers. If even just the market & the disticts were merged into just one Zone, you would more likley see other players.
• Travel Slog. Unless you're in a group, or a nightblade using Shadow Cloak or smth else to avoid detetection, traveling to get anywhere in the districts takes forever. & if you slip up and die, or simply the Calamitous Boss wanders into you while you're dealing with a trash pack (and you die), you can't respawn where you were on your own; you get brought to one of the towers (I can't recall what they're called) which more often than not means you've been set back. It's difficult enough to bump into other players to work together, it's made even more difficult when actually reaching anything of note (such as bossess) means slogging through the trash packs. An additional note on the trash packs, their leash distance feels super small, multiple times while soloing them they ended up leashing back to their spot and I had to restart the whole ordeal again.
• Winning Faction Bias. Whoever's idea it was to show the current faction favour score before even joining should just not have, because players aren't going to pick based on what faction they like more now, most are just going to pick the faction that's winning; because people want to win and why would you williningly join the faction that's losing by a landslide? A Landslide that's only going to keep growing because no one's joining the other factions.
• Why is it not just a Group Instanced Areana? I personally think that in it's current state it would have been much better suited to be a new kind of group arena; similar to the solo arena Vatashran Hollows you have the three different areas you can tackle in your preferred order, which then culminates in a final fourth area. But unlike prior arenas, you can navigate each area (district) and kill the bossess in your preferred order. If it's going to be primarily designed around 4 player groups, then I think it'd be better if it has the appropiate label and is treated as such.

I might keep popping in to see if I have any better luck running into other players during the event, but tbh I think I'm just going to dodge this event entirely, as much as I want the Valenwood Skull Blocks Furnishing I don't see myself getting the opportunity and I'm not going to stress myself out trying just for that. If the Night Market is this dead already only a few days in, I doubt it's going to get any better. I really hope other events coincide with the Night Market, otherwise that's almost 2 months of no events for those who don't have groups capable of participating in the Night Market.

AnnaMolly66 wrote: »

Re: "silence from the devs"

They aren't going to say anything yet, we're still in public testing and evaluation phase, they're likely looking over the forums for bug complaints, watching metrics, and making hot fixes as necessary. I do hope they're listening to feedback because there are issues with the event but that's more incentives and such.

Let me point out that "testing" isn't something one should be doing on a live server. It just makes devs look bad. I get that they don't have staff left to test internally. I also get that there is zero incentive to test on the PTS, so people don't. But, as a paying customer, that's not my problem. I don't pay to be a tester. I pay to play finished content and have a good time running around a world with my wife. Sadly, this public testing thing is ZOS acting like their parent, Microslop and attempting to convince everyone a bug is really a feature.

Want to see what happens when you use your players as your testers, look at the reputation of EA. If ZOS doesn't want the same reputation, they need to sort out this stuff and soon.

I think that "Night Market" should be renamed "Chaos Arena". Because that is what it feels like to me playing it.

I have been in "Chaos Arena" several times now, with groups made up of guild members, and with a PUG (found them on PS/NA through group finder). The action is continuous and I kind of enjoy it. I think that I will miss it when folks stop doing it. With a group of eight players or more, with one player on a tank build, "Chaos Arena" is enjoyable, just running around between the three different named areas and killing all the bosses.

liliub17_ESO wrote: »

AnnaMolly66 wrote: »

Re: "silence from the devs"

They aren't going to say anything yet, we're still in public testing and evaluation phase, they're likely looking over the forums for bug complaints, watching metrics, and making hot fixes as necessary. I do hope they're listening to feedback because there are issues with the event but that's more incentives and such.

The content is live, notably *not* "in public testing and evaluation phase".

It's not the content being tested.

AnnaMolly66 wrote: »

liliub17_ESO wrote: »

AnnaMolly66 wrote: »

Re: "silence from the devs"

They aren't going to say anything yet, we're still in public testing and evaluation phase, they're likely looking over the forums for bug complaints, watching metrics, and making hot fixes as necessary. I do hope they're listening to feedback because there are issues with the event but that's more incentives and such.

The content is live, notably *not* "in public testing and evaluation phase".

It's not the content being tested.

Ok. If not the content, then are they testing the player base? Because those are your options. The daedra don't care.

I don’t normally like PvE, but I kind of like how the NM is a casual’ish trial of sorts. It’s a good place to go try things normally out of your comfort zone. ie Tanking in some rag tag group cause why not..

Tra_Lalan wrote: »

Wow so many negative comments.

Let me change it up a bit. The Night Market is freaking amazing! Make tweaks if you need to, ZOS, but this event is top notch. Many, many players are pleased and enjoying this great new content.

I got my *** handed to me when I first set foot in one of the districts, and it made me chuckle in a good way. Props!

I'm a casual player, I find getting one shotted on my DPS frustrating, getting one shotted on my tank by a boss is worse. I think you should have your difficulty selection on the night market. Casual players like me would be on standard and it would be like a DLC normal dungeon. Others who like insanity, would choose vet level and can go get one shotted all they want.

Grouping in night market is a pain. First couple days the area was packed with players, now i rarely see anyone, especially in the off hours.

Quest markers are non existant. they are invisible unless you are near, and non repeatable.

The design is great, the concept is great, the execution is a failure

2/10 stars for me