MikeSkyrim333 wrote: »

The Night Market is the worst thing I've ever experienced in ESO. The quests are boring and the rewards aren't worth the time. The zone forces you to either have a strong solo build or group up. A new location with a story would be better, not endless mob-killing. We already have the Infinite Archive but this zone feels like I just jumped straight to the 4th floor

As a player that enjoys both questing, for lore drops mainly, and IA, as well as PvP, I am here to tell you that there's room for more of everything. You'll get your quests when the Sheogorath stuff drops. I will be there with you, and it will likely be easy as cutting cheddar cheese. You don't gotta enjoy it all, I certainly don't enjoy doing trials and dungeons day in day out, but understand that not every piece of content will be tailored to you.

It is a videogame and videogames need to actually feel like a game. Games are supposed to have challenge somewhere in some way, not only be interactive stories.

I pay, I’ve been subscribed since day one. I think the NM is fantastic. I’m having so much fun. One of the best things they’ve ever done.

coop500 wrote: »

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I agree with you OP and anyone that is saying they can solo it must be using hacks cos even large guild groups are saying it's hard. I went in with my hubby and our companions in our IA builds and we couldnt get past second group of mobs and we had a couple of random players killing mobs with us. It was very sad to watch them try and then fall down like potatoes.

It's heart breaking cos i love to give all eso content a good go but with this i hardly got started...no chance. Who on earth is testing these events on pts.

I promise you I'm not using hacks, but I agree wholeheartedly that this content is cracked and needs a normal mode, current mode can be called veteran JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE GAME.
The average player is getting steamrolled and that's not okay for FOMO timed content, it's really not. If it was a permanent addition that people could work towards, that's fine, that's what trials are for. But this is not that.

As for my build, I'm running Hexos Ward, Oakensoul, and Brairheart as a redguard arcanist with tristat enchants, so I have about 30K HP and 30K armor with tons of shield and selfhealing. I can give more details if needed or if anyone's interested, it's not the best build in the world but I tried ring of the pale order style and found it too unforgiving.

I think this is also one of my issues.

They put rewards like dyes, which people want, behind a time limited content. The dyes that are part of other hard areas are all permanent, which means even if I can't get Emperor Red (or whatever that color is) now, I might be able to get it in the future.

These? We can theorize that the night market will come back at least 2 more times, but that means that if we miss out on one dye, by not being able to do this content at this moment, we aren't guaranteed for it to come back a fourth time to acquire that dye in the future. (and this is just the dye, I am sure others want other rewards that might not be guaranteed to be around permamently) Especially since by then most of the player base that COULD do the content already has the rewards and will want new rewards for night market.

So, now there are new rewards, will the old ones stay for people who want to get those? Will they have to choose between those old rewards and the new ones, meaning they are still behind if they happen to want one of the newer ones as well?

Basically I am all for hard content. I don't mind that this content isn't for me.

What I do mind is the FOMO of the desireable (in my eyes at least) rewards and the potential to miss out on them (I don't even know how we get the dye!) if we can't do the content and it is going to leave after a certain amount of time.

coop500 wrote: »

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Recent wrote: »

I agree with you OP and anyone that is saying they can solo it must be using hacks cos even large guild groups are saying it's hard. I went in with my hubby and our companions in our IA builds and we couldnt get past second group of mobs and we had a couple of random players killing mobs with us. It was very sad to watch them try and then fall down like potatoes.

It's heart breaking cos i love to give all eso content a good go but with this i hardly got started...no chance. Who on earth is testing these events on pts.

I promise you I'm not using hacks, but I agree wholeheartedly that this content is cracked and needs a normal mode, current mode can be called veteran JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE GAME.
The average player is getting steamrolled and that's not okay for FOMO timed content, it's really not. If it was a permanent addition that people could work towards, that's fine, that's what trials are for. But this is not that.

As for my build, I'm running Hexos Ward, Oakensoul, and Brairheart as a redguard arcanist with tristat enchants, so I have about 30K HP and 30K armor with tons of shield and selfhealing. I can give more details if needed or if anyone's interested, it's not the best build in the world but I tried ring of the pale order style and found it too unforgiving.

I think this is also one of my issues.

They put rewards like dyes, which people want, behind a time limited content. The dyes that are part of other hard areas are all permanent, which means even if I can't get Emperor Red (or whatever that color is) now, I might be able to get it in the future.

These? We can theorize that the night market will come back at least 2 more times, but that means that if we miss out on one dye, by not being able to do this content at this moment, we aren't guaranteed for it to come back a fourth time to acquire that dye in the future. (and this is just the dye, I am sure others want other rewards that might not be guaranteed to be around permamently) Especially since by then most of the player base that COULD do the content already has the rewards and will want new rewards for night market.

So, now there are new rewards, will the old ones stay for people who want to get those? Will they have to choose between those old rewards and the new ones, meaning they are still behind if they happen to want one of the newer ones as well?

Basically I am all for hard content. I don't mind that this content isn't for me.

What I do mind is the FOMO of the desireable (in my eyes at least) rewards and the potential to miss out on them (I don't even know how we get the dye!) if we can't do the content and it is going to leave after a certain amount of time.

Exactly this, content should never have 3 gates either, and this has all three in spades.
It's difficult
It's timed
It's grindy

It's not well designed, it's not player friendly to ANYONE, especially once the newness wears off and the elites are done being spiteful towards the average player.

Plus people take breaks. Yeah it will come back, but I dunno about you guys, I take breaks, and can easily miss the second or third returning of the Night Market if I'm just not feeling the game ATM.

Yeah, I said on another thread that I do find it fun when I can find a group to follow around, but once the newness wears off and the people who can easily do the content have done it and gotten what they want, and they go back off to whatever their preferred content is, well, that is going to leave players who can't easily do the content trying to still get their favor up to open up the rest of the house, to be able to buy stuff from the merchants and so on. Only without anyone else around to try to help them.

Especially since it seems so empty now.

I tested the Nightmarket on PTS and was a bit skeptical but now that it's live I really enjoy it now that there is lots of people there. A large chunk of the quests are extremely easy to do with a stealth build and even if you end up dying, you can just revive at the respawn location that's very close to your quest objectives anyway.
Dying in the Nightmarket is nowhere near as punishing as in other content, so I don't get why people complain.
What other content in this game lets you revive mid-fight, run 20meters and rejoin combat?
Just use the Group Finder if you are struggling to find people out in the open, that's what it's there for.

I do think that the Nightmarket might become a bit stale over time, but that's also why I think that it being timed is a good thing. The 50 day duration seems appropriately long so that even if you are gone for a whole month, you still have plenty of time to get everything. And if you are gone for even longer than that, you can just join the next Nightmarket and get your stuff then.

My only real complaint right now is that Thousand Eyes is absolutely dominating PC EU and it was very obvious this would happen. Glittering Goad's monster set is too weak and the Ruckus' is too niche compared to the Thousand Eyes' more broadly relevant monster set. It also doesn't help that you gave the best monster set to the coolest faction xD

Horace-Wimp wrote: »

madman65 wrote: »

Looks like invisibility potions are going to be a hot commodity!

They don't work. Tried, tested and instakilled every time.

Also, the adds attack you while you're rezzing. No way to lose aggro if you float down before fully rezzing. Seems wrong that adds can attack you while you're dead waiting to be alive again. Bug?

Really?! Used invis pots & got round all 3 areas to finish main quest. Not seen at all, even when running through the middle of mobs. And not on nb, but arcanist.

duagloth wrote: »

Jammy420 wrote: »

duagloth wrote: »

Jammy420 wrote: »

madman65 wrote: »

I want to enjoy the game, I DON`T want to be frustrated. Looks like my account will go into cold storage ESO.

We get one group zone addition to the game per what, ten years? And your response is " it isn't catered to me, I quit!"?????

Whose this "we" you speak of?

The player base that actually want something remotely challenging.

Your getting that, its an option for everyone. Mich like this event should have been

madman65 wrote: »

Well then I will skip this entirely, I died like 12 times already within 45 minutes. I was hoping for some enjoyment but it`s a NO for me. I wonder if ESO hired some developers from D2?

madman65 wrote: »

Well then I will skip this entirely, I died like 12 times already within 45 minutes. I was hoping for some enjoyment but it`s a NO for me. I wonder if ESO hired some developers from D2?

madman65 wrote: »

Well then I will skip this entirely, I died like 12 times already within 45 minutes. I was hoping for some enjoyment but it`s a NO for me. I wonder if ESO hired some developers from D2?

I died a lot as well until I adopted my build to the content.

madman65 wrote: »

I`m on my first quest and I can`t even get past the first wave of enemies. THIS IS STUPID!

It's extremely easy to use the group finder....use it.

Any way, back on topic, I love the challenge of the Night Market. I could never solo it, but I am sitting at 2,000 favor just playing with pugs. There are some great players out there who you can ride their coat tails.

The group experience has been mostly very positive. I was in only one group where someone was a jerk and I simply left the group.

After wiping on Ozezan when we got him down to 1%, I knew it was time to step away for a bit. I need something more relaxing to play with fair combat mechanics, so back to Dark Souls.

Onomos wrote: »

After wiping on Ozezan when we got him down to 1%, I knew it was time to step away for a bit. I need something more relaxing to play with fair combat mechanics, so back to Dark Souls.

The only mechanic Ozezan has is to literally walk away from the gigantic pool of lava.