tomofhyrule wrote: »

The only solution that would be acceptable for both parties would be for ZOS to remove the requirement that every character name on the server be unique.

I doubt they are merging any accounts. If you buy ESO on PS, you'd still have to play on PS, you wouldn't be able to play on just any platform.

So another solution for this would be to have a platform flag in your profile. Unique names per server per platform. This flag is probably going to be implemented anyway, maybe visible to the players, maybe not. But at least under the hood, there will be something like this. They could take advantage of this flag.

For guilds that would be a more difficult thing since guilds are not user account dependent and will become multiplatform on the very second crossplay goes live.

ApoAlaia wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

• The economies are too different.

Yes, this will most likely be in the beginning. Markets will find equilibrium eventually and people will mix.

SilverBride wrote: »

• The societal norms are too different.

Bigger difference than with people playing on EU servers, with dozens of nationalities and cultures? And these people shouldn't mix?

Of course there will be an adjustment period, but don't underestimate people. We get along on the EU server just fine, although we have a myriad of cultures mixing. Mixing PC and consoles is not going to be that big of a deal.

SilverBride wrote: »

• Duplicate User IDs and names will have to be dealt with.

Yup. That is a task for the dev team, not us.

SilverBride wrote: »

• Duplicate guild names will have to be dealt with.

Yup. That is a task for the dev team, not us.

SilverBride wrote: »

[*] There will not be enough merchants for all the trade guilds.

A really good point. My guess is they will increase the amount of merchants throughout Tamriel.

That last one is a puzzler to me.

Bids for traders are already crazy on PC (vs the 'weekly returns') to the point that many of us haven't traded 'for profit' for a long, long time; we trade to be able to finance the trader with the proceedings.

I have no reason to believe that console trading guilds are not at the very least as competitive as PC ones, if not more due to the fact that they had to conduct their business for most of their 'lives' without any addons (which requires serious dedication).

Unless some sorcery takes place with crossplay when it comes to trading guilds 'shark infested waters' is not going to come even close to the carnage that is going to be unleashed.

Console trading guilds are not equipped to compete with PC trading guilds. You have too much of a head start on average war chest money for bids.

I clearly remember the kerfuffle here on the forums a few years ago when someone took over Rawl’kha with joke guilds. The regular traders there posted screenshots of their losing bids, averaging around 50 million+ per trader.

Mournhold is considered our biggest, most expensive capital on PS NA. Those PC bids are roughly 25-30 million more than our average winning bids there. I imagine XBox is in a similar situation as our price checkers more closely match than comparing PC vs console TTC listing prices.

Console trading guilds will be annihilated in time if something to counter-balance isn’t done. And my guild, personally, is donation-based and doesn’t try to compete for the big capitals, and we will likely die in the domino effect of capital guilds losing their primary bids and “over-bidding” on lower backup positions.

My guild has camaraderie, yes. But our primary focus is trading. Take that away and, well, only so many people want or need a plethora of “social” guilds, which is the wasteland console guilds will become with crossplay if it’s just a merging of all platforms together.

Personally, I’m planning to retire from the trading guild game altogether if that’s how it’s all gonna go down. What hope would I have of competing and winning a trader vs 50 million+ gold PC guild bids? I can barely keep up the current fundraising I have to be competitive on console.

It’s pitting an NFL team against a high school varsity team.

DragonRacer wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

• The economies are too different.

Yes, this will most likely be in the beginning. Markets will find equilibrium eventually and people will mix.

SilverBride wrote: »

• The societal norms are too different.

Bigger difference than with people playing on EU servers, with dozens of nationalities and cultures? And these people shouldn't mix?

Of course there will be an adjustment period, but don't underestimate people. We get along on the EU server just fine, although we have a myriad of cultures mixing. Mixing PC and consoles is not going to be that big of a deal.

SilverBride wrote: »

• Duplicate User IDs and names will have to be dealt with.

Yup. That is a task for the dev team, not us.

SilverBride wrote: »

• Duplicate guild names will have to be dealt with.

Yup. That is a task for the dev team, not us.

SilverBride wrote: »

[*] There will not be enough merchants for all the trade guilds.

A really good point. My guess is they will increase the amount of merchants throughout Tamriel.

That last one is a puzzler to me.

Bids for traders are already crazy on PC (vs the 'weekly returns') to the point that many of us haven't traded 'for profit' for a long, long time; we trade to be able to finance the trader with the proceedings.

I have no reason to believe that console trading guilds are not at the very least as competitive as PC ones, if not more due to the fact that they had to conduct their business for most of their 'lives' without any addons (which requires serious dedication).

Unless some sorcery takes place with crossplay when it comes to trading guilds 'shark infested waters' is not going to come even close to the carnage that is going to be unleashed.

Console trading guilds are not equipped to compete with PC trading guilds. You have too much of a head start on average war chest money for bids.

I clearly remember the kerfuffle here on the forums a few years ago when someone took over Rawl’kha with joke guilds. The regular traders there posted screenshots of their losing bids, averaging around 50 million+ per trader.

Mournhold is considered our biggest, most expensive capital on PS NA. Those PC bids are roughly 25-30 million more than our average winning bids there. I imagine XBox is in a similar situation as our price checkers more closely match than comparing PC vs console TTC listing prices.

Console trading guilds will be annihilated in time if something to counter-balance isn’t done. And my guild, personally, is donation-based and doesn’t try to compete for the big capitals, and we will likely die in the domino effect of capital guilds losing their primary bids and “over-bidding” on lower backup positions.

My guild has camaraderie, yes. But our primary focus is trading. Take that away and, well, only so many people want or need a plethora of “social” guilds, which is the wasteland console guilds will become with crossplay if it’s just a merging of all platforms together.

Personally, I’m planning to retire from the trading guild game altogether if that’s how it’s all gonna go down. What hope would I have of competing and winning a trader vs 50 million+ gold OC guild bids? I can barely keep up the current fundraising I have to be competitive on console.

It’s pitting an NFL team against a high school varsity team.

I’m not highly knowledgeable on this, but Xbox is full of in-game rich folk.

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LunaFlora wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

The only solution that would be acceptable for both parties would be for ZOS to remove the requirement that every character name on the server be unique.

I doubt they are merging any accounts. If you buy ESO on PS, you'd still have to play on PS, you wouldn't be able to play on just any platform.

So another solution for this would be to have a platform flag in your profile. Unique names per server per platform. This flag is probably going to be implemented anyway, maybe visible to the players, maybe not. But at least under the hood, there will be something like this. They could take advantage of this flag.

For guilds that would be a more difficult thing since guilds are not user account dependent and will become multiplatform on the very second crossplay goes live.

we should actually be able to play on any platform with Crossplay as ZOS has confirmed Cross Progression.

Oh, that is going to pose some issues for the dev team. But there are ways to do this. There are a million ways to implement unique identifiers, visible or invisible to the user.

frogthroat wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

The only solution that would be acceptable for both parties would be for ZOS to remove the requirement that every character name on the server be unique.

I doubt they are merging any accounts. If you buy ESO on PS, you'd still have to play on PS, you wouldn't be able to play on just any platform.

So another solution for this would be to have a platform flag in your profile. Unique names per server per platform. This flag is probably going to be implemented anyway, maybe visible to the players, maybe not. But at least under the hood, there will be something like this. They could take advantage of this flag.

For guilds that would be a more difficult thing since guilds are not user account dependent and will become multiplatform on the very second crossplay goes live.

we should actually be able to play on any platform with Crossplay as ZOS has confirmed Cross Progression.

Oh, that is going to pose some issues for the dev team. But there are ways to do this. There are a million ways to implement unique identifiers, visible or invisible to the user.

Yeah, if it's crossplay/crossprog, there's a 90% chance that the answer is "just merge all of the servers into two - an NA one and an EU one."

But that leads to the name conflicts, since you currently can't have duplicate names on the same server.

I'm sure account names will get flags since those can't easily be changed, especially in terms of console where the account name is the login for the entire console. That does imply that someone with a PC and a PS account will still have two different accounts after the merge, so it's not a case of "I have this costume here and that one there." Those should also be visible so players can report or mail to the correct person and not end up sending their gold to the wrong "xXx_proGamer420_xXx"

But character names? Those are actively used in dialogue, so a flag would be problem when you go up to Darien and say "My name is Bob Smith🖥️." That's more than a bit awkward to see that in actual dialogue.

But with all of the effort ZOS has been putting into making things account-based instead of character-based lately, it would really make sense if the requirement for unique character names was dropped. You want to send a mail to someone? Then use the account name specifically. After all, it's not like two people in real life are prevented from having the same name since they have unique ID card numbers anyway.

Ashryn wrote: »

This is SO bitter sweet for me... I have wanted CrossPlay for so long so I could play with my adult daughter who was mostly bed-ridden with her health issues. I play on PC, while she always played on an XBox. However, she died a year and a half ago, so this comes too late for us... I am so happy, though, for all of those out there that are finally getting this! May it bring great joy to the ESO community buy bringing all the platforms together!

Really sorry that it didn't make it on time, and doubly sorry for your loss

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Yeah, if it's crossplay/crossprog, there's a 90% chance that the answer is "just merge all of the servers into two - an NA one and an EU one."

Probably yes, because how would crossplay work unless everyone is on the same server? Anway, everything I will say is pure speculation. Just one option devs might take and are by no means the only way to solve these issues.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

That does imply that someone with a PC and a PS account will still have two different accounts after the merge, so it's not a case of "I have this costume here and that one there." Those should also be visible so players can report or mail to the correct person and not end up sending their gold to the wrong "xXx_proGamer420_xXx"

And also how to differentiate between your PC and PS accounts. I use the same username everywhere, so if I had a PS account, it would be frogthroat.

There needs to be some method that I can keep my frogthroat(PC) and frogthroat(PS) separate, but log in with either of them on either platforms. If crossprog is going to be a thing, that is.

Man, I didn't realise they're going to do crossprog. That is really going to be difficult for the devs. But hey, it's my favourite type of problem: not mine.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

But character names? Those are actively used in dialogue, so a flag would be problem when you go up to Darien and say "My name is Bob Smith🖥️." That's more than a bit awkward to see that in actual dialogue.

There are ways to go around this. Add an invisible identifier. For example, a flag in your account for the origin, PC/PS/Xbox. Or some unique identifier in the name. As in, in the database you have "Bob_Smith.6231356243535" and "Bob_Smith.148762387653287", both of which will display as "Bob Smith".

And if in the database they have unique identifiers, there is no limitation how many characters with the same name there are. The ID will still be unique.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

But with all of the effort ZOS has been putting into making things account-based instead of character-based lately, it would really make sense if the requirement for unique character names was dropped.

I hope not. I wouldn't mind if there are duplicate character names due to crossplay, but I want to keep my Arcanist name otherwise unique.

When they announced Arcanist class I immediately went and created a placeholder character, during the stream, with a name I wanted for my Arcanist. And once it was live, I waited off peak times so as to not have my name stolen during the couple of minutes, deleted the placeholder character and immediately created the Arcanist with the special name. I don't want clones. I am very fond of that name being unique.

SilverBride wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The societal norms are too different.

Bigger difference than with people playing on EU servers, with dozens of nationalities and cultures? And these people shouldn't mix?

I wasn't referring to real life societies. I was referring to how we play the game.

For example, I read a thread about how we run Alik'r dolmens on PCNA. Players were confused about us using "x" and "y" and "z" in zone chat for auto invites to the groups. We've done it this way for a very long time but these other players do things differently.

That is the kind of thing I am referring to.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/667793/are-you-not-confused-by-people-spamming-x-in-chat

People can learn and will learn. Maybe consoles have a better way of doings things than PC, and vice versa. These things will get worked out. I wouldn't worry to much about it.

SilverBride wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The societal norms are too different.

Bigger difference than with people playing on EU servers, with dozens of nationalities and cultures? And these people shouldn't mix?

I wasn't referring to real life societies. I was referring to how we play the game.

For example, I read a thread about how we run Alik'r dolmens on PCNA. Players were confused about us using "x" and "y" and "z" in zone chat for auto invites to the groups. We've done it this way for a very long time but these other players do things differently.

That is the kind of thing I am referring to.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/667793/are-you-not-confused-by-people-spamming-x-in-chat

For a while we will have people typing "x", "y", "z", "+" and "+dolmen" in Alik'r Desert but it will be unified over time. People adapt.

Those of us who play on both EU and NA will have to adapt anyway. By the beard of Julianos, even on PCEU I need to adapt depending on the guild chat. If I ask for people for a daily random dungeon, in most guilds I need to type "RND" but in my Finnish guild I need to type "nrand".

This is a non-issue. Don't underestimate players this much. "Sorry, no crossplay because Ben could not learn to type x instead of +dolmen."

frogthroat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The societal norms are too different.

Bigger difference than with people playing on EU servers, with dozens of nationalities and cultures? And these people shouldn't mix?

I wasn't referring to real life societies. I was referring to how we play the game.

For example, I read a thread about how we run Alik'r dolmens on PCNA. Players were confused about us using "x" and "y" and "z" in zone chat for auto invites to the groups. We've done it this way for a very long time but these other players do things differently.

That is the kind of thing I am referring to.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/667793/are-you-not-confused-by-people-spamming-x-in-chat

For a while we will have people typing "x", "y", "z", "+" and "+dolmen" in Alik'r Desert but it will be unified over time. People adapt.

Those of us who play on both EU and NA will have to adapt anyway. By the beard of Julianos, even on PCEU I need to adapt depending on the guild chat. If I ask for people for a daily random dungeon, in most guilds I need to type "RND" but in my Finnish guild I need to type "nrand".

This is a non-issue. Don't underestimate players this much. "Sorry, no crossplay because Ben could not learn to type x instead of +dolmen."

I only play on PCNA and I think this could cause a lot of confusion.

Also laughable to make a judgment call on how someone would vote in elections based on… what they care about in a video game. “I don’t like your thoughts about a video game, so please don’t vote in your real life elections.” Like… what?

There’s this neat thing called a separation between reality and fantasy and mature adults are able to separate and handle that. It’s pretty cool! Compartmentalization is healthy for your brain.

LadyGP wrote: »

YffresTrill wrote: »

I did not vote because my response would be "Overall don't care, but have some concerns." That is, they have not given us any detail about how character names and such will be handled. While I understand this is unlikely, I am concerned that I might be forced to rename some of my characters or have an ugly "-PC" tag appended to them. It would be nice if ZOS could come out and explain how this will be handled.

My 2 second thought on this is they would just offer one/both of the people a way to change their toon name to avoid all this.

Whats odd to me is not to long ago the forums were littered with topics about how the zones were ghost towns, the "games dying", groups take forever to find, etc etc...

They implement a way to fix that...

Now the forums are littered with people complaining about crossplay.

It's almost as if us gamers are impossible to please.

crossplay sounds good but once you start looking at what it really does , (without real infro on how it be done) you start seeing that its really not a good thing and could/can harm the game more than it would fix it , as the only thing crossplay will fix it population while changing major aspects of the game that have been separate and on different levels depending where you play , traders , VC/text chat / discord / , pure running power / add-on use , the list of cons out does the 1 pro

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

i wonder if they'll give out free name change tokens to people, esp those on more that one platform with characters of same names...???????

If there are forced name changes, they will either give free tokens or ask you to give the character a new name when you log in. That’s currently how it works if players are forced to change names already due to something like a name that break ToS.

The main question though is how many people would be okay with doing that. RP-focused players may have had these names for years, so being forced to change them (especially if the conflict was from someone who played for a week and then left permanently) would be akin to forcing them out of the game, and many would take it as such.
I myself have a minimum of 6 pages of backstory for each of my characters - they are each incredibly important to me; I spent ages agonizing over their name and fashion and getting them perfect. It would be a heartbreaking if I had to change them after pouring so much time into them… especially since the benefits to having crossplay do nothing for my personal playstyle, so it feels like I’m losing so much and gaining nothing.