While the critters aren't real, I understand what you are getting at. I hate arriving in town and seeing just about every NPC lying on the ground and no other NPCs even notice. At least in Skyrim the NPCs and guards would react to a death even if you were in stealth mode.

I think the challenge to kill 1,000 "foes" should be taken literally, foes attack you so you can kill them. Killing something that isn't aggro'd shouldn't count. Edit: I think ZOS should increase the number of zones where foes can be killed.


Now, if there's a killer rabbit in the game, he had it coming.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Horkers drop polished ivory.

I thought horkers aggro'd but I checked and that seems to be the case in Skyrim.

Since they are a valid target for a quest, they could be an exception. Maybe they could have more than a single health point, more like mudcrabs which can fight back.

I'm going to assume this is a joke post/satire or something, but in case it isn't...I hate to say this, but it's a game. If you don't want to kill animals you don't have to, but let's not try to impose real-world morals on a video game or claim that 'killing' pixels on a screen is 'slaughter'. Also you already seem to know that mobs in Delves/Dungeons not counting is a bug, so the whole "is this fair" thing is kind of a moot point anyway.

Arunei wrote: »

I'm going to assume this is a joke post/satire or something, but in case it isn't...I hate to say this, but it's a game. If you don't want to kill animals you don't have to, but let's not try to impose real-world morals on a video game or claim that 'killing' pixels on a screen is 'slaughter'. Also you already seem to know that mobs in Delves/Dungeons not counting is a bug, so the whole "is this fair" thing is kind of a moot point anyway.

If we feel our sensibilities stung by senseless slaughter, it's because it's natural for people with functioning empathy to feel for the suffering of others, and often even when we know the others aren't real. I mean, if games are "just games", what's the point of feeling moved by the characters of Baldur's Gate or Expedition 33? Or, for that matter, Romeo and Juliet?

Not saying I'd actually condemn the players who kill innocents in the game, but it's not pleasant to see either.

If it moves, it dies.

Hircine demands I hunt, so hunt I must.

I want more challenges like these, they’re pretty fun for us werewolf players!

"It's just a game" someone says.
Of course.
But... why cats and dogs are unkillable in the game... is it not a game for those kind of animals?
You do not find any child in the game... why???
So please, don't say things that contradict the evidence, please.

I haven't witnessed this yet but it would bother me too.

I even avoid fighting "normal" animals when possible (wolves, bears, big cats).

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

1,000 kills for the seasonal challenge in three designated areas. In dungeons/delves, mobs don't count, but in the overland, all you need to do is kill a harmless little animal with a light attack (they have 1 hp) to boost your score.
Does that seem fair to you?
I obviously refrain from this senseless hunt for squirrels, deer, or the cute little Nixads, but I'm outraged by the obscene spectacle of thousands of players mercilessly crushing everything that moves. It disgusts me.
But what was the need for that?
This game often stands out for protecting certain minorities, and I'm pleased. Why not protect the sensibilities of those who oppose the killing of innocent little animals?
What demonstration of skill or strength is firing a light attack at a hare or a heron?
I hope ZOS reconsiders, and along with the promised fix to the zone dungeons/delves, that ZOS does not continue to encourage this needless slaughter.

The moment I saw “foes” and “Wrothgar” I knew exactly what I would be doing for the next 1 hour or so. I picked a nice spot with at least 7 squirrels, some goats and rabbits, deer and those cute little echatere along with bears, mammoths, and some other creatures. I completed this challenge fairly fast. And I saw countless players passing by and deleting all those bears, mammoths and adult echatere, while I was making sure nobody notices how much critter spawns in this one spot.

I must admit that there is something disturbing in these mass killings “challenges”.
It is indeed slightly aggravating to witness so much violence and death. The massacre of those majestic mammoths was the most difficult to watch for me personally.

Now, we rush through this challenge in order to unlock the next tome page. But I would prefer these challenges to be about killing “enemies” instead of “foes”. “Enemies” exclude critter, afaik. This category only includes creatures that attack players who come too close.

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Can someone explain why ‘foes’ in *** dungeons & delves don’t count?

That is the more relevant point.

It's a bug, due to be fixed (hopefully in the upcoming incremental). I've decided I'm waiting out this one until then, just because the insane competition for even the tiniest critter is more than I can cope with. Besides, we've still got what, 90 days?

BretonMage wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

I'm going to assume this is a joke post/satire or something, but in case it isn't...I hate to say this, but it's a game. If you don't want to kill animals you don't have to, but let's not try to impose real-world morals on a video game or claim that 'killing' pixels on a screen is 'slaughter'. Also you already seem to know that mobs in Delves/Dungeons not counting is a bug, so the whole "is this fair" thing is kind of a moot point anyway.

If we feel our sensibilities stung by senseless slaughter, it's because it's natural for people with functioning empathy to feel for the suffering of others, and often even when we know the others aren't real. I mean, if games are "just games", what's the point of feeling moved by the characters of Baldur's Gate or Expedition 33? Or, for that matter, Romeo and Juliet?

Not saying I'd actually condemn the players who kill innocents in the game, but it's not pleasant to see either.

That whole "people with functioning empathy" line is a hell of a statement, because it implies people who kill non-living things in a game somehow lack it. I'm one of the most empathatic people I know, I cry super easily when others are upset or during sad scenes in games or movies. I abhor real-world violence and it gets me REALLY mad when I hear about things like animals or people being abused or killed. But there is a big difference between getting emotionally attached to characters and getting emotionally attached to Random NPC Animal #5,301.

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

"It's just a game" someone says.
Of course.
But... why cats and dogs are unkillable in the game... is it not a game for those kind of animals?
You do not find any child in the game... why???
So please, don't say things that contradict the evidence, please.

Because it IS just a game. It is fiction. It is not real. There are no real animals being harmed or killed. There is no real suffering. It is not real.

Dogs and cats aren't killable because ESO is based in the United States, where those animals are pets and NOT game or livestock animals. But all the animals you CAN kill? They are actually hunted irl (the ones that exist irl anyway) for food and other things, or are livestock animals that are raised as food or for leather, milk, and so on. Pigs, goats, squirrels, rabbits, elk, deer, etc are all animals that get hunted or raised as livestock.

What does children not being in the game have to do with anything? The answer is because they didn't feel like coding them in but that isn't some sort of gotcha point at all. They didn't add children not because of morality but because it would have been extra coding. The things you tried to bring up aren't evidence at all and contradict nothing.

Also as other people have mentioned, there are numerous recipes that call for meat of different kinds. What's the difference between someone running around killing animals to farm mats (because they also tend to drop things like Guts as someone else mentioned) and someone killing for any other reason? It's not like it's 'wasting' the animal, because again, it isn't real.

aetherix8 wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

1,000 kills for the seasonal challenge in three designated areas. In dungeons/delves, mobs don't count, but in the overland, all you need to do is kill a harmless little animal with a light attack (they have 1 hp) to boost your score.
Does that seem fair to you?
I obviously refrain from this senseless hunt for squirrels, deer, or the cute little Nixads, but I'm outraged by the obscene spectacle of thousands of players mercilessly crushing everything that moves. It disgusts me.
But what was the need for that?
This game often stands out for protecting certain minorities, and I'm pleased. Why not protect the sensibilities of those who oppose the killing of innocent little animals?
What demonstration of skill or strength is firing a light attack at a hare or a heron?
I hope ZOS reconsiders, and along with the promised fix to the zone dungeons/delves, that ZOS does not continue to encourage this needless slaughter.

The moment I saw “foes” and “Wrothgar” I knew exactly what I would be doing for the next 1 hour or so. I picked a nice spot with at least 7 squirrels, some goats and rabbits, deer and those cute little echatere along with bears, mammoths, and some other creatures. I completed this challenge fairly fast. And I saw countless players passing by and deleting all those bears, mammoths and adult echatere, while I was making sure nobody notices how much critter spawns in this one spot.

I must admit that there is something disturbing in these mass killings “challenges”.
It is indeed slightly aggravating to witness so much violence and death. The massacre of those majestic mammoths was the most difficult to watch for me personally.

Now, we rush through this challenge in order to unlock the next tome page. But I would prefer these challenges to be about killing “enemies” instead of “foes”. “Enemies” exclude critter, afaik. This category only includes creatures that attack players who come too close.

If it upset you that much why in the world would you just sit there watching people do it then? If it was disturbing and bothered you that much for non-living animals (which isn't even graphic at all, there's no blood or organs or anything), then go to another zone instead of spending all that time there.

If you don't want to kill animals for Challenges, then don't. But don't ask for the option to be taken from everyone because of something you dislike. Once again, let's not impose real-world morals onto a video game.

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Can someone explain why ‘foes’ in *** dungeons & delves don’t count?

That is the more relevant point.

It's a bug currently that mobs in Delves and Dungeons aren't counting towards the Challenge, they're aware of it and it should have been added to the list of bugs by now.

I remember killing rats in Riften once when I needed fishbait but I considered this a service to the town.

Silaf wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

1,000 kills for the seasonal challenge in three designated areas. In dungeons/delves, mobs don't count, but in the overland, all you need to do is kill a harmless little animal with a light attack (they have 1 hp) to boost your score.
Does that seem fair to you?
I obviously refrain from this senseless hunt for squirrels, deer, or the cute little Nixads, but I'm outraged by the obscene spectacle of thousands of players mercilessly crushing everything that moves. It disgusts me.
But what was the need for that?
This game often stands out for protecting certain minorities, and I'm pleased. Why not protect the sensibilities of those who oppose the killing of innocent little animals?
What demonstration of skill or strength is firing a light attack at a hare or a heron?
I hope ZOS reconsiders, and along with the promised fix to the zone dungeons/delves, that ZOS does not continue to encourage this needless slaughter.

On the other hand i'm kind of disappointed by the absence of satisfactory blood splatter. I'm enjoying the penguins little squeeks and the fact they run away but the gore element leve a lot to be desired.

...

Use the macabre vintage set.

I found a spot in Wrothgar where "swarming harpies" respawned fairly quickly. I took a beamer there, light attacked the first down and sandbagged until 3-5 more spawned and melted them with beam. I did this mostly AFK while watching TV.

At least it was not a specific WB encounter like the Knight Commander one. The adds were not even rendering because there were ~50 people there.

Arunei wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

I'm going to assume this is a joke post/satire or something, but in case it isn't...I hate to say this, but it's a game. If you don't want to kill animals you don't have to, but let's not try to impose real-world morals on a video game or claim that 'killing' pixels on a screen is 'slaughter'. Also you already seem to know that mobs in Delves/Dungeons not counting is a bug, so the whole "is this fair" thing is kind of a moot point anyway.

If we feel our sensibilities stung by senseless slaughter, it's because it's natural for people with functioning empathy to feel for the suffering of others, and often even when we know the others aren't real. I mean, if games are "just games", what's the point of feeling moved by the characters of Baldur's Gate or Expedition 33? Or, for that matter, Romeo and Juliet?

Not saying I'd actually condemn the players who kill innocents in the game, but it's not pleasant to see either.

That whole "people with functioning empathy" line is a hell of a statement, because it implies people who kill non-living things in a game somehow lack it. I'm one of the most empathatic people I know, I cry super easily when others are upset or during sad scenes in games or movies. I abhor real-world violence and it gets me REALLY mad when I hear about things like animals or people being abused or killed. But there is a big difference between getting emotionally attached to characters and getting emotionally attached to Random NPC Animal #5,301.

I'm not going to dictate how you play your game, and honestly, if I want to feel emotions like pity or compassion for those in a fictional fantasy universe created to seem life-like, then I think I have that freedom to do so. That's one of the great things about games, you have a choice to relate to it in the way you want. So just as you can choose to treat these animals as mere pixels, so too can I choose to see Tamriel as a living, breathing world.