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L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »I did open my caches because I thought this was something being given to us. It was not clear that these were holding points and what would happen once they were opened.
What bothers me the most about this whole thing is the complete lack of communication here on the official ESO forums, despite there being many prominent posts about how negatively many players have been affected by this.
Tome Point Caches holding Tome Points was a surprise to you?
All my screen says is "Open Cache" and how many caches are there. It does not call them Tome Point Caches.
They are in your currencies...last line. And they were shown on your bottom right as you received them with their name.PC|EU1 -
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The current ESO+ Caches unlocked most of the tabs already, so clearly ZOS does not consider that an issue.
Let me turn that around: What would have given me even the slightest indication that I should even consider the possibility that the currency Tome Points would not be persistent, just as every other currency in ESO is? There was absolutely no reason given not to open them.[...]
And my second point still stands, that the impatience to unlock a season of 14 weeks on day 1 is largely to blame. You can't tell me you actually believed to be able to take unlimited tome points into a next, and a next, and a next season, then the entire system would be redundant.
Basic logic maybe? If you could take unlimited points over to other seasons, they would unlock as soon as they start until you reach the point when your current points do not match the required amount anymore. Over time that would lead to every season being unlocked as soon as it launches, as you get more points than you need unless you take every XP Scroll or other junk in the tome.
It is also a rather convoluted reasoning to expect every player in the playerbase to be able to think up on their own, especially those of us who have not played other games with a 'battle pass'.
Tome Points are a currency. All the other currencies in ESO do not expire. There was no indication given in the UI to suggest this might be different for Tome Points.
I would argue that the Cache issue now only exists, because we got them retroactively. From now on you gain them mathmatically parallel each month, which would mean just about 3000 Tome Points per season, if they keep on 90 days. So of course ZOS didn't see an issue with it longterm. Yes, you would get 12 in front if you buy 12 months ESO Plus Subs, but thats still about 3 Caches per season from now on.
I disagree. If in six months a new player starts playing this game and subscribes to ESO+, they will receive a Tome Cache containing Tome Points, and unless ZOS changes the UI, that player will have no reason to assume they might lose those points if they open the Cache.
Well after this discussions in forums, I am pretty sure they will change the UI.PC|EU1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »I did open my caches because I thought this was something being given to us. It was not clear that these were holding points and what would happen once they were opened.
What bothers me the most about this whole thing is the complete lack of communication here on the official ESO forums, despite there being many prominent posts about how negatively many players have been affected by this.
Tome Point Caches holding Tome Points was a surprise to you?
All my screen says is "Open Cache" and how many caches are there. It does not call them Tome Point Caches.
They are in your currencies...last line. And they were shown on your bottom right as you received them with their name.
Why would the cache itself not say what it is a cache of? Why would anyone think to look in their currencies? This is not logical or the way things have ever worked in this game and it needs to be fixed.PCNA1 -
L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »I did open my caches because I thought this was something being given to us. It was not clear that these were holding points and what would happen once they were opened.
What bothers me the most about this whole thing is the complete lack of communication here on the official ESO forums, despite there being many prominent posts about how negatively many players have been affected by this.
Tome Point Caches holding Tome Points was a surprise to you?
All my screen says is "Open Cache" and how many caches are there. It does not call them Tome Point Caches.
They are in your currencies...last line. And they were shown on your bottom right as you received them with their name.
Why would the cache itself not say what it is a cache of? Why would anyone think to look in their currencies? This is not logical or the way things have ever worked in this game and it needs to be fixed.
It does say of what it is a cache. Its literally named Tome Point Cache, at least in german "Vorräte an Foliantenpunkten". And to me the very second thing I did as I got them, was looking in my currencies tab, as that was the most logical spot after the inventory itself.Edited by L_Nici on April 5, 2026 7:53PMPC|EU1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It does say of what it is a cache. Its literally named Tome Point Cache, at least in german "Vorräte an Foliantenpunkten". And to me the very second thing I did as I got them, was looking in my currencies tab, as that was the most logical spot after the inventory itself.
It does not call them that on my screen.PCNA0 -
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✭SilverBride wrote: »It does say of what it is a cache. Its literally named Tome Point Cache, at least in german "Vorräte an Foliantenpunkten". And to me the very second thing I did as I got them, was looking in my currencies tab, as that was the most logical spot after the inventory itself.
It does not call them that on my screen.
So what are they called in your currencies tab?PC|EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »It does say of what it is a cache. Its literally named Tome Point Cache, at least in german "Vorräte an Foliantenpunkten". And to me the very second thing I did as I got them, was looking in my currencies tab, as that was the most logical spot after the inventory itself.
It does not call them that on my screen.
So what are they called in your currencies tab?
I am not talking about the currencies tab. The currencies tab has nothing to do with the Tomes UI just saying "Open Cache" and not identifying what it is a cache of, or notifying the player what will happen when they open these.
This was NOT explained clearly, and it was NOT explained where it needed to be explained and that is not the player's fault.
I am done with this conversation so let's just agree to disagree from here forward.Edited by SilverBride on April 5, 2026 8:01PMPCNA1 -
L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »It does say of what it is a cache. Its literally named Tome Point Cache, at least in german "Vorräte an Foliantenpunkten". And to me the very second thing I did as I got them, was looking in my currencies tab, as that was the most logical spot after the inventory itself.
It does not call them that on my screen.
So what are they called in your currencies tab?
I am not talking about the currencies tab. The currencies tab has nothing to do with the Tomes UI just saying "Open Cache" and not identifying what it is a cache of, or notifying the player what will happen when they open these.
This was NOT explained clearing, and it was
Not looking where they are actually stored is a you problem. Anyway in a Tome, were you unlock stuff with Tome Points, clicking on Open Cache, not expecting it to be Tome Points is beyond me, and even if you didn't knew it before, the very first time you did open one cache, they open one by one, you should have known what you got, as you just opened one.Edited by L_Nici on April 5, 2026 8:02PMPC|EU2 -
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What base logic? They LITERALLY reworked Tickets into Trade Bars and GOT RID of the limit. They INCREASED how many Transmute Stones you can store if you have Plus. What logic are you even talking about that people would expect Tome Points to work any differently when two other Currencies were made either limitless or given a 150% boost in how much you can carry?
Let me turn that around: What would have given me even the slightest indication that I should even consider the possibility that the currency Tome Points would not be persistent, just as every other currency in ESO is? There was absolutely no reason given not to open them.[...]
And my second point still stands, that the impatience to unlock a season of 14 weeks on day 1 is largely to blame. You can't tell me you actually believed to be able to take unlimited tome points into a next, and a next, and a next season, then the entire system would be redundant.
Basic logic maybe? If you could take unlimited points over to other seasons, they would unlock as soon as they start until you reach the point when your current points do not match the required amount anymore. Over time that would lead to every season being unlocked as soon as it launches, as you get more points than you need unless you take every XP Scroll or other junk in the tome.
It seems you're simply trying to be contrary. It has been explained over and over and over that people do not think to look at a Help article (which again I assure you did not just open automatically for you unless you have an addon or hit your hotkey for it accidentally, because once more, NEVER have Help articles for new systems just opened on their own upon being interacted with the first time) when there has been little to no precedent to NEED to in the past. New systems being introduced, when they are revealed in full, typically are explained in detail over streams, articles, and Patch Notes. You've been shown repeatedly that in this case, the ONLY place this information was shown was in a Help article. Where, again, there has been no real precedent set for people to check.
As for "why would they let you unlock a Season as soon as it starts", you could make that argument for Trade Bars now. People can stock up on them, especially once other ways of getting them start coming and they aren't just from Events and Tome Points. It can get to a point where people can just unlock everything from the Bazaar when new items cycle in, they can just unlock everything from the Impressario when it's released instead of needing to partake in Events if they want stuff. The answer is "who cares what other people do", especially because of a fact you may not be considering; the people who have all these Caches to be opening got them by paying real money. Yeah, I think they're a little bit entitled to skip the having to unlock stuff part when the whole incentive for getting them is to do exactly that.
Also....people who sub for 12 months can "skip" doing Challenges ANYWAYS, all they need to do is only open, say, ten or so Caches and bam, they've skipped doing a lot of Challenges, can buy all the stuff, and not have to worry about extra Points getting eaten by the system. You also seem to perhaps be under the impression that everyone opening Caches has a full 11 or 12 of them? ...no? There are more than just 12-month subs, there are 1, 3, and 6-month subs as well. So not everyone using Caches is getting anywhere near enough to unlock everything right away, and again, those who are? They paid for it. Why are you calling people greedy for wanting to redeem something they PAID REAL MONEY for? Especially when the whole inventive to getting them is to USE them?
And another thing to consider: Let's say a person subs for 12 months. They get their Caches, they know not to open them all at once because of the rollover. They keep their sub at 12 months for, say two or three years. At this point they now have a backlog of Caches they can never make full use of because if they try to, the cap will eat any left over. So now they just have this thing they can never actually use fully. If the cap were higher it would be less of an issue. Something like 6k would be more reasonable, but as it is, it's too low.PC-NA | Been around since closed beta
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What base logic? They LITERALLY reworked Tickets into Trade Bars and GOT RID of the limit. They INCREASED how many Transmute Stones you can store if you have Plus. What logic are you even talking about that people would expect Tome Points to work any differently when two other Currencies were made either limitless or given a 150% boost in how much you can carry?
Let me turn that around: What would have given me even the slightest indication that I should even consider the possibility that the currency Tome Points would not be persistent, just as every other currency in ESO is? There was absolutely no reason given not to open them.[...]
And my second point still stands, that the impatience to unlock a season of 14 weeks on day 1 is largely to blame. You can't tell me you actually believed to be able to take unlimited tome points into a next, and a next, and a next season, then the entire system would be redundant.
Basic logic maybe? If you could take unlimited points over to other seasons, they would unlock as soon as they start until you reach the point when your current points do not match the required amount anymore. Over time that would lead to every season being unlocked as soon as it launches, as you get more points than you need unless you take every XP Scroll or other junk in the tome.
It seems you're simply trying to be contrary. It has been explained over and over and over that people do not think to look at a Help article (which again I assure you did not just open automatically for you unless you have an addon or hit your hotkey for it accidentally, because once more, NEVER have Help articles for new systems just opened on their own upon being interacted with the first time) when there has been little to no precedent to NEED to in the past. New systems being introduced, when they are revealed in full, typically are explained in detail over streams, articles, and Patch Notes. You've been shown repeatedly that in this case, the ONLY place this information was shown was in a Help article. Where, again, there has been no real precedent set for people to check.
As for "why would they let you unlock a Season as soon as it starts", you could make that argument for Trade Bars now. People can stock up on them, especially once other ways of getting them start coming and they aren't just from Events and Tome Points. It can get to a point where people can just unlock everything from the Bazaar when new items cycle in, they can just unlock everything from the Impressario when it's released instead of needing to partake in Events if they want stuff. The answer is "who cares what other people do", especially because of a fact you may not be considering; the people who have all these Caches to be opening got them by paying real money. Yeah, I think they're a little bit entitled to skip the having to unlock stuff part when the whole incentive for getting them is to do exactly that.
Also....people who sub for 12 months can "skip" doing Challenges ANYWAYS, all they need to do is only open, say, ten or so Caches and bam, they've skipped doing a lot of Challenges, can buy all the stuff, and not have to worry about extra Points getting eaten by the system. You also seem to perhaps be under the impression that everyone opening Caches has a full 11 or 12 of them? ...no? There are more than just 12-month subs, there are 1, 3, and 6-month subs as well. So not everyone using Caches is getting anywhere near enough to unlock everything right away, and again, those who are? They paid for it. Why are you calling people greedy for wanting to redeem something they PAID REAL MONEY for? Especially when the whole inventive to getting them is to USE them?
And another thing to consider: Let's say a person subs for 12 months. They get their Caches, they know not to open them all at once because of the rollover. They keep their sub at 12 months for, say two or three years. At this point they now have a backlog of Caches they can never make full use of because if they try to, the cap will eat any left over. So now they just have this thing they can never actually use fully. If the cap were higher it would be less of an issue. Something like 6k would be more reasonable, but as it is, it's too low.
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Everyone in this thread already understands the real issue: the important part was not communicated properly in official visible places, the UI did not warn players properly, and hiding it in the Help section is not the same as actually informing people.
He/she is just deliberately taking the contrary position and reducing the whole thing to, “Well, I was smart enough to go read the Help section, so everyone else should have done the same.” That is not really an argument.
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✭✭✭I've dealt with battle passes in other games, one of the biggest differences between those games and ESO's pass is the limitation of available rewards to claim using tome points.
Other games BP systems I've interacted with all tend to have seasonal rewards (cosmetics, unique items, etc.) up until a certain point that is reasonably obtainable by a casual player, then after that there is an unlimited amount of (typically) low value consumable type items or low value currencies (think gold, telvar, AP, or equivalent currencies, not premium currencies like trade bars or seals) that can be claimed indefinitely no matter how many points are accumulated across that season.
One fix for this issue (in the future at least) could be for ZOS to simply add unlimited claims of crafting material coffers or low value currencies such as gold or AP for the 11th/12th pages (or on a dedicated 13th page). The stuff in those coffers (crafting materials and upgrade materials) won't affect other systems like unlimited seals or trade bars would, but it would give players an option to spend tome points on something that is small but (mostly) useful if they earn too many points by playing too much or, in the case here, obtaining bonus points, that they could at least spend those points on something without feeling like they just lose them at the end of the season due to the roll over cap (that is also unique to ESO afaik) and not enough rewards to spend their points on.
It also shouldn't have any major impact on the game itself since all of those same materials can be obtained for free by playing the game normally (harvesting nodes, loot from dungeons/trials, rewards for playing different modes, etc.) so it's not like there's any FOMO to max out tome points just for these rewards as they are nothing that can't be obtained by just playing the game normally.1