Reset Ult to 0 at start of Duel

SundarahFr3akinrican · March 17

As the title says. Duels should be about who’s the better player, not who spent five minutes hitting a target dummy to pre-stack their Ultimate before the invite.

Right now, starting a duel with a full bar gives an immediate advantage that feels cheap. We should have Ultimate reset to 0 as soon as the countdown hits.

Oblivion_Protocol · March 17

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

As the title says. Duels should be about who’s the better player, not who spent five minutes hitting a target dummy to pre-stack their Ultimate before the invite.

Right. And the better player is the one who can survive an ult and kill their opponent. Besides, it’s not like you can’t do the exact same thing. Hell, why would you ever go into any duel without a full ult?

Necrotech_Master · March 17

you dont need to spend time hitting a dummy to build ults, thats what an aetherial well is for lol

if your dueling in a house, everyone should have access to the aetherial well assuming the owner has one

now if they wanted you to duel in the house and they disabled interaction for everyone but themselves, that would be something to complain about

SundarahFr3akinrican · March 17

Resetting ults seems the most fair option. When im testing dueling builds i want to know why i lost or won. When i have ulti i know that my chance of winning is much higher.

Its cheesy.

Major_Mangle · March 17

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

Resetting ults seems the most fair option. When im testing dueling builds i want to know why i lost or won. When i have ulti i know that my chance of winning is much higher.

Its cheesy.

Then ask the person you duel to use their ult at the start the duel. It's really simple.

SundarahFr3akinrican · March 17

Major_Mangle wrote: »

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

Resetting ults seems the most fair option. When im testing dueling builds i want to know why i lost or won. When i have ulti i know that my chance of winning is much higher.

Its cheesy.

Then ask the person you duel to use their ult at the start the duel. It's really simple.

You can say that about any feature in the game. That doesnt make your arguement correct. We could not have dungeon queues, because you can just talk and make a group. We could not have trade guilds, we can just talk and trade manually. But thats not what we do. We create systems that facilitate better gameplay interaction with players.

CameraBeardThePirate · March 17

I mean at the end of the day this game is not (nor should it be) balanced around duels. It's an MMO and has always been balanced around group PvP. If you want the other person to dump ult, just ask them to dump ult before the duel. If they refuse, then don't dump your own ult.

SundarahFr3akinrican · March 17

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

I mean at the end of the day this game is not (nor should it be) balanced around duels. It's an MMO and has always been balanced around group PvP. If you want the other person to dump ult, just ask them to dump ult before the duel. If they refuse, then don't dump your own ult.

This is so crazy. Most duels happen in specific locations in the overworld. If you need to ult dump, first you need to find an object dump the ult on. Which most dueling locations don't have one near by.

And if the player refuses to do the above, that can leaad to a toxic interactions.

And what does this have to do with balancing the game around dueling? You are making non-relevant arguement to make a point. Resetting ults at teh start of a duel has no effect on any other aspect of the game besides dueling.

CameraBeardThePirate · March 18

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

I mean at the end of the day this game is not (nor should it be) balanced around duels. It's an MMO and has always been balanced around group PvP. If you want the other person to dump ult, just ask them to dump ult before the duel. If they refuse, then don't dump your own ult.

This is so crazy. Most duels happen in specific locations in the overworld. If you need to ult dump, first you need to find an object dump the ult on. Which most dueling locations don't have one near by.

And if the player refuses to do the above, that can leaad to a toxic interactions.

And what does this have to do with balancing the game around dueling? You are making non-relevant arguement to make a point. Resetting ults at teh start of a duel has no effect on any other aspect of the game besides dueling.

Most ults in the game are AoE and can be dumped anywhere. For the ones that aren't, it's a very quick jog to a mob pack from Stormhaven, it'd take 30 seconds at most.

The point is that dueling is already a tiny portion of the game's PvP, which is itself a tiny portion of the game's overall playerbase. The devs clearly don't have much bandwidth going around. By all means, ask them to implement a change you want, but know that at the end of the day it's not anywhere close to a priority.

Erickson9610 · March 18

I don't want duels to reset Ultimate to 0. The reason being is because me and my guildmates often do Werewolf duels in Hunter's Glade or by the werewolf shrines.

Even if we start the duel already transformed (as we often do) next patch it seems that dropping to 0 Ultimate reverts your form. This means before we can actually duel, we'd have to hit one another for several seconds until we have enough Ultimate to transform, every single time we start a duel. This would be a waste of time and very unfun.

SundarahFr3akinrican · March 19

Erickson9610 wrote: »

I don't want duels to reset Ultimate to 0. The reason being is because me and my guildmates often do Werewolf duels in Hunter's Glade or by the werewolf shrines.

Even if we start the duel already transformed (as we often do) next patch it seems that dropping to 0 Ultimate reverts your form. This means before we can actually duel, we'd have to hit one another for several seconds until we have enough Ultimate to transform, every single time we start a duel. This would be a waste of time and very unfun.

This might change with the werewolf rework. Maybe. We will see how maintaining werewofl functions once we have more info.

SundarahFr3akinrican · March 19

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

As the title says. Duels should be about who’s the better player, not who spent five minutes hitting a target dummy to pre-stack their Ultimate before the invite.

Right. And the better player is the one who can survive an ult and kill their opponent. Besides, it’s not like you can’t do the exact same thing. Hell, why would you ever go into any duel without a full ult?

Cuz maybe you just finished a duel with another person? Another invalid point.

Thumbless_Bot · March 19

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

As the title says. Duels should be about who’s the better player, not who spent five minutes hitting a target dummy to pre-stack their Ultimate before the invite.

Right now, starting a duel with a full bar gives an immediate advantage that feels cheap. We should have Ultimate reset to 0 as soon as the countdown hits.

When you go to a meeting make sure you are prepared for the meeting.

Oblivion_Protocol · March 19

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

Cuz maybe you just finished a duel with another person? Another invalid point.

Then go build more ult before challenging someone else to a duel. Or learn to survive being hit with an ult, which you should already be able to anyway. If you can survive it in the middle of a fight, then surviving it with a full health bar at the start of the fight shouldn't be a problem. So what’s the complaint, here? Either you can survive being ulted or you can’t, in which case, it doesn’t matter when it happens. Saying my point is invalid doesn’t invalidate it. Facts would, but you’ve yet to present any.

xylena · March 20

It'd be a wash. Convenient for some players, annoying for others.

Starting with full ult is more convenient for some types of build testing.

SundarahFr3akinrican · March 25

I'm not sure if many of you duel. Its not a one off thing. You go to a dueling area and duel back to back many times. So charging your ulti before hand is unrealistic and very time consuming in practicality.

I dont even mind if ults get charged to 500 at the start of duels. I just want it to be even for both players.

Vaqual · March 25

But you acknowledge that what you want can already be achieved, in the worst case by swapping in a dummy AoE ult for a quick dump -
yet the other way around, if your change would be enforced, it would never again be possible to start on full/uneven ult?
If in doubt I am always for player agency and freedom. I'd rather be responsible than limited.

Iriidius · March 26

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

I mean at the end of the day this game is not (nor should it be) balanced around duels. It's an MMO and has always been balanced around group PvP. If you want the other person to dump ult, just ask them to dump ult before the duel. If they refuse, then don't dump your own ult.

It wasn’t asked to balance whole game around duells but only to balance duells around duells. Setting ultimate of both duellants to 0(or to 500) at the start of duell would probably require changing only few lines of code and not have an effect on players not duelling.
There are reason (for and) against this change but PvE balance is not one of them.

SundarahFr3akinrican · March 26

Vaqual wrote: »

But you acknowledge that what you want can already be achieved, in the worst case by swapping in a dummy AoE ult for a quick dump -
yet the other way around, if your change would be enforced, it would never again be possible to start on full/uneven ult?
If in doubt I am always for player agency and freedom. I'd rather be responsible than limited.

Again just because something can be acheived, doesnt make it practical or user friendly. We have a player chat, and a /invite system, do we not need a dungeon queue then? There is a /trade system, so do we not need trade guilds? It's an invalid arguement.

Vaqual · March 27

It is just my opinion, not an argument. As I said, I'd rather have a clunky way of having it both ways, rather than being forced to do it one way.