Under 50s Battleground Bug

Fintasia · March 10

Hi,

I have noticed that there seems to be a bug affecting some, but not all players in under 50s battlegrounds since U49.
I have not encountered the bug in regular over 50 battlegrounds.

What is happening is that character stats are being massively reduced upon entering a battleground - far more than can be attributed to the removal of CP and the activation of Battle Spirit.

I took two screenshots of my characters stat sheet, one in Icereach (Under 50 Cyrodil campaign), and one in an Under 50 battleground, for the same character, with the same gear etc. and have attached them here, and you can see the battle spirit is active in both.

In some cases, stats are being reduced by over 50%.

Under 50 Cyrodil:

The under 50 battleground:

IrishJack72 · March 11

This happened to me a little bit ago in a random battleground. Health dropped from 26k to 12k. Magicka and Stamina also were significantly reduced. I could use around 2 or 3 skills before I was out of Magicka. It didn’t seem to affect everyone because an opposing player racked up 38 kills in like 5 minutes.

Fintasia · March 11

IrishJack72 wrote: »

This happened to me a little bit ago in a random battleground. Health dropped from 26k to 12k. Magicka and Stamina also were significantly reduced. I could use around 2 or 3 skills before I was out of Magicka. It didn’t seem to affect everyone because an opposing player racked up 38 kills in like 5 minutes.

Was that in a regular over 50 BG, or under 50 as well?

IrishJack72 · March 11

Oops I meant to put it was an under 50 battleground

Fintasia · March 11

IrishJack72 wrote: »

Oops I meant to put it was an under 50 battleground

No worries, just seeing if we can narrow down the scope of the issue so when a dev can take a look it's hopefully easier to troubleshoot!

Sidewaves89 · March 16

@ZOS_Kevin could you please add this to the U49 Launch Known Issues List?

LennaTheRussian · March 20

@ZOS_Kevin yes please. It's actually ruining peoples first time experience

FadeShade · March 21

LennaTheRussian wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin yes please. It's actually ruining peoples first time experience

and levelling newly created characters as it's good xp while unlocking & advancing alliance skills without needing to ride very slowly across cyro.

tsaescishoeshiner · March 30

For an under 50 character, Health, Stamina, Magicka, and resources are all 1/3 of what they are outside of BG. This has been the most aggravating experience in ESO by far. Every under-50 match lasts the full 15 minutes because when you break free once, half of your stamina is gone. And since your recovery is also 1/3 of normal, you can use one skill every 5-10 seconds. There's no way this is intended and it's absolutely horrible.

What's worse--it seemingly doesn't impact everything. For example, my critical chance is 10% higher than outside of BG. Some players get 30-40 kills each battleground, so there may be some stat sources that are not affected by this bug or modifier. But it's not clear what they are, so the few players who seem to know what the deal is are benefiting disproportionately, and no one I've asked seems to know what exactly is and isn't affected.

ShadowMole25 · March 30

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

For an under 50 character, Health, Stamina, Magicka, and resources are all 1/3 of what they are outside of BG. This has been the most aggravating experience in ESO by far. Every under-50 match lasts the full 15 minutes because when you break free once, half of your stamina is gone. And since your recovery is also 1/3 of normal, you can use one skill every 5-10 seconds. There's no way this is intended and it's absolutely horrible.

What's worse--it seemingly doesn't impact everything. For example, my critical chance is 10% higher than outside of BG. Some players get 30-40 kills each battleground, so there may be some stat sources that are not affected by this bug or modifier. But it's not clear what they are, so the few players who seem to know what the deal is are benefiting disproportionately, and no one I've asked seems to know what exactly is and isn't affected.

It seems as though level scaling is no longer active in the u50 battlegrounds, so low level characters have the same stats they would have had prior to the One Tamriel update. This means that higher level characters will have higher stats than lower level characters. The people you see getting lots of kills are probably level 40+.

This definitely needs to be fixed though as it will turn off new players from battlegrounds and makes attempting to level alts through battlegrounds a horrific experience early on

Shadowpriesthel · May 21

Fintasia wrote: »

Hi,

I have noticed that there seems to be a bug affecting some, but not all players in under 50s battlegrounds since U49.
I have not encountered the bug in regular over 50 battlegrounds.

What is happening is that character stats are being massively reduced upon entering a battleground - far more than can be attributed to the removal of CP and the activation of Battle Spirit.

I took two screenshots of my characters stat sheet, one in Icereach (Under 50 Cyrodil campaign), and one in an Under 50 battleground, for the same character, with the same gear etc. and have attached them here, and you can see the battle spirit is active in both.

In some cases, stats are being reduced by over 50%.

Under 50 Cyrodil:

The under 50 battleground:

Shadowpriesthel · May 21

@ZOS_Icy @ZOS_Icy @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin We would really really appreciate if anyone acknowledges this, thank you!!

Shadowpriesthel · May 21

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom please do something about this.

LennaTheRussian · May 25

Still no acknowledgement on this is concerning. An entire core feature for new players is broken.

LennaTheRussian · May 27

Level 20.

Meanwhile level 40+ characters get better stats and damage.

Like come on man, you broke a core part of the game and decide to not fix it.

Shadowpriesthel · May 29

@LennaTheRussian looks like they are going to ignore it , tagged everyone @ZOS_Kevin yet no response .

dcrush · June 7

The “improved communication” did not last very long, it seems. It’s ridiculous that this has been going on for months and there is complete radio silence from ZOS.

imPDA · June 7

"Below 50" is not a core part of the game, and no other character of mine except the first one was below 50 longer than the 2-3 hours needed to fully level it up. What's the point of playing low lvl when you can skip it and have access to anything and end game content? PvP below 50 is even more ridiculous. It can be nice just to be able to grab a bonus once a day if you play slowly, but taking it seriously?

It broke? The best resolution would be deleting it and adding compensation so you could still grab a small bonus every day if you want, for example, exp boost for the first quest done, so questers would not whine about not being able to get this bonus

Major_Mangle · June 7

Honestly, get rid of all sub 50 pvp, lost it's purpose a long time ago. Plus it's so insanely easy and quick to level to 50 that any sub 50 PvP isn't even necessary. No reason for it to exist. It's a waste of server space and deserves to be removed.

Shadowpriesthel · June 7

Major_Mangle wrote: »

Honestly, get rid of all sub 50 pvp, lost it's purpose a long time ago. Plus it's so insanely easy and quick to level to 50 that any sub 50 PvP isn't even necessary. No reason for it to exist. It's a waste of server space and deserves to be removed.

Sub-50 PvP still serves an important purpose. It’s one of the few places where new players can learn PvP mechanics without immediately running into fully optimized CP builds, max-level gear setups, and years of experience. Not everyone levels to 50 in a few hours, especially genuinely new players who are still learning their class, skills, and combat fundamentals.

Shadowpriesthel · June 7

imPDA wrote: »

"Below 50" is not a core part of the game, and no other character of mine except the first one was below 50 longer than the 2-3 hours needed to fully level it up. What's the point of playing low lvl when you can skip it and have access to anything and end game content? PvP below 50 is even more ridiculous. It can be nice just to be able to grab a bonus once a day if you play slowly, but taking it seriously?

It broke? The best resolution would be deleting it and adding compensation so you could still grab a small bonus every day if you want, for example, exp boost for the first quest done, so questers would not whine about not being able to get this bonus

U50 PvP isn’t there for experienced players—it’s there for new ones. It gives newer players a chance to learn and their class without getting crushed by fully optimized endgame players. If ESO wants more people participating in PvP long-term, removing one of the few beginner-friendly environments seems counterproductive.

LennaTheRussian · June 8

Regardless of how you feel about Below 50 BGs and whether or not they're a core part of the game, it's ridiculous that this bug has gone unfixed for so long.

I just read the new U50 patch notes, and no fix for it is listed. Multiple people have been tagged in this thread, and it's remained silent. Meanwhile, bug threads about some random, obscure PvE issue bothering a cozy player get immediate acknowledgment.

Just a little embarrassing, that's all I'm saying.

Shadowpriesthel · June 8

@ZOS_Icy @ZOS_Bill @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Hadeostry @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_Kristina @ZOS_ShannonM still no acknowledgment from nobody after this bug has persisted is truly apalling.

imPDA · 7:03AM

Shadowpriesthel wrote: »

U50 PvP isn’t there for experienced players—it’s there for new ones. It gives newer players a chance to learn and their class without getting crushed by fully optimized endgame players. If ESO wants more people participating in PvP long-term, removing one of the few beginner-friendly environments seems counterproductive.

Below 50 is a mess, it is worse for new players than regular BGs because in below 50 you can't really say if it is your fault or because you are low lvl with only 2 skills unlocked and white starting gear. You can't learn from below 50 matches, and this is the only thing new players need. And fun. Is it fun to play with 2 skills unlocked or against players with 2 skills unlocked? You tell me.

New players now have Vengeance, even if I strictly against Vengeance, I will tell new players to go and try PvP there if they want something real quick and easy.