DLSS 5 and ESO
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Will ESO support DLSS 5 in the future? I don’t know if people saw the showcase, but I’m curious about how it will look in ESO.
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✭✭✭After seeing that mess of a presentation (which required two RTX 5090 cards, as I read somewhere), I'd rather not have this for ESO as the game runs fine. DLSS-5 is clearly AI-generated slop for me.PC-EU @maitsukas
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LittleLionLeone✭✭✭I don't even think they added in support for DLSS 4 yet still. Ofc you can override it yourself so who knows, might be able to with DLSS 5 too.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭My guy ESO doesn't even support DLSS 4 (FrameGen), there's 0 chance it'll support 5.14 -
AgentXistenZSoul ShrivenYou can override DLSS in the Nvidia app, but I hope no one will use that AI slop.6 -
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✭"AI Slop" is such an over used phrase now adays......
But... huge fan of DLSS4.... not a fan in the least bit of DLSS5.LadyGP/xCatGuy
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I don't like what DLSS 5 is doing to the environment around the characters. How can I be sure what I'm looking at is what the artists actually intended me to see?PC/NA — Lone Werewolf
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bruta✭✭✭✭"AI Slop" is such an over used phrase now adays......
But... huge fan of DLSS4.... not a fan in the least bit of DLSS5.
masses love parroting stuff, especially catchy buzzwords. "ai slop" is slowly replacing "woke trash" now
as for the tech... when DLSS released 7 years ago lots of people were also super mad at it, ofc they changed their minds after seeing its potential as time passed.
been using DLSS 4 in ESO myself since last year, it's great
don't know what links are allowed here, but I'm leaving this article for anyone interested in reading something more than "ai slop"
https://wccftech.com/dlss-5-veteran-artist-lighting-difference-georgian-avasilcutei/9 -
Adhara✭✭✭The only DLSS I care about is the Darklight Soulsingers tribe from one of my Elfquest AUs. Keep computer-barf out of ESO.5 -
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Actually, yep. I'm fine with it.
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The article talks a lot about lighting and how that changes features, and that is all true. But the fundamental problem here, besides the fact that this technology requires a tremendous amount of expensive compute power, is that it is changing the lighting. "DLSS 5, in Avasilcutei's opinion, is simply bringing that same level of lighting craft to real-time rendering with the power of AI." I don't know enough about the tech to say if this is true in general, but it is clearly not true in the screenshots above. Those screenshots are changing the lighting craft. The starfield one is the most obvious, the lighting is completely changed, maybe the change to the faces is just a consequence of the lighting changes, but the question is does this tech inherently blow out the lighting or was that done by nvidia separately to make their tech seem more impressive? Those might be different problems but if people are mistaken it's because nvidia intentionally muddied things and the backlash is deserved even if possibly misguided."AI Slop" is such an over used phrase now adays......
But... huge fan of DLSS4.... not a fan in the least bit of DLSS5.
masses love parroting stuff, especially catchy buzzwords. "ai slop" is slowly replacing "woke trash" now
as for the tech... when DLSS released 7 years ago lots of people were also super mad at it, ofc they changed their minds after seeing its potential as time passed.
been using DLSS 4 in ESO myself since last year, it's great
don't know what links are allowed here, but I'm leaving this article for anyone interested in reading something more than "ai slop"
https://wccftech.com/dlss-5-veteran-artist-lighting-difference-georgian-avasilcutei/
Also, while AI slop is reductive, the backlash to AI is multifaceted. It's about quality, but also compute power, about expense, about downstream effects to the price of the video cards needed to run this tech, about AI being marketed everywhere in everything to the point where it is a turn off for many people. Nvidia is also the backend tech face of AI and that's going to affect reaction to anything they announce. Does DLSS5, the tech, deserve exactly this level of backlash? Maybe or maybe not, but Nvidia the company making and marketing the tech does.
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Paramedicus✭✭✭✭it is already implemented, here:
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✭✭✭✭✭AgentXistenZ wrote: »You can override DLSS in the Nvidia app, but I hope no one will use that AI slop.
That's not quite how it works. If a game doesn't support FrameGen or Ray Reconstruction, you can't just override it in the Nvidia App. Games that don't support it require a mod to do so (for example, the first Kingdom Come Deliverance). You can't get Frame Gen on ESO, and that means you won't be able to turn on DLSS5 either.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭"AI Slop" is such an over used phrase now adays......
But... huge fan of DLSS4.... not a fan in the least bit of DLSS5.
masses love parroting stuff, especially catchy buzzwords. "ai slop" is slowly replacing "woke trash" now
as for the tech... when DLSS released 7 years ago lots of people were also super mad at it, ofc they changed their minds after seeing its potential as time passed.
been using DLSS 4 in ESO myself since last year, it's great
don't know what links are allowed here, but I'm leaving this article for anyone interested in reading something more than "ai slop"
https://wccftech.com/dlss-5-veteran-artist-lighting-difference-georgian-avasilcutei/
The difference is Frame Gen and DLSS (like regular brand DLSS that uprezzes a game) don't fundamentally change the artsyle of a game. DLSS5 completely changes how a game looks.
Think of it this way: when a director is filming a movie, they aren't just using the sun or natural light to film every scene. Though it may be more "realistic", it doesn't fit the artistic vision and in some cases, doesn't look as good or allow for things like specific spot lights to enhance a scene.
The same goes for games. DLSS5's more "realistic" lighting and color grading clearly changes the aesthetic style of a game - just look at how much contrast was lost on the Oblivion screenshots and how much cooler the colors are with the feature on. The sunlight may be more "realistic" but it means the harsh sun shadows that were intentionally placed into the game and the warm color tones of a rocky coastal city were lost.
And that's not even touching on how the feature completely changes how a character looks.Edited by CameraBeardThePirate on March 18, 2026 6:21PM11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »And that's not even touching on how the feature completely changes how a character looks.
I'm curious: If this is client-side, how does it differ from all those beauty mods for Skyrim, for example (those that make all characters basically look like Barbie dolls)? It's completely changing the art style from what was originally intended, that's true (and I'm personally not a fan of that at all, so I don't use such mods), but it only affects that specific player who chooses to use it. Why don't we leave such questions to the free, individual choice of a user then?
Only discussing the "but the artist didn't design it like that" aspect. I know there's more.
Edited by Syldras on March 18, 2026 7:00PM@Syldras | PC | EU
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✭✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »And that's not even touching on how the feature completely changes how a character looks.
I'm curious: If this is client-side, how does it differ from all those beauty mods for Skyrim, for example (those that make all characters basically look like Barbie dolls)? It's completely changing the art style from what was originally intended, that's true (and I'm personally not a fan of that at all, so I don't use such mods), but it only affects that specific player who chooses to use it. Why don't we leave such questions to the free, individual choice of a user then?
Only discussing the "but the artist didn't design it like that" aspect. I know there's more.
Probably because those mods are (usually, maybe not anymore) handmade by another artist for personal use, while AI is using stolen work to change an artist's approach. It's one thing to have different styles, it's another to use stolen, Frankenstein work to do the same. And this is also small individual modder vs big name company making money from it.Edited by coop500 on March 18, 2026 7:19PMHoping for more playable races10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »And that's not even touching on how the feature completely changes how a character looks.
I'm curious: If this is client-side, how does it differ from all those beauty mods for Skyrim, for example (those that make all characters basically look like Barbie dolls)? It's completely changing the art style from what was originally intended, that's true (and I'm personally not a fan of that at all, so I don't use such mods), but it only affects that specific player who chooses to use it. Why don't we leave such questions to the free, individual choice of a user then?
Only discussing the "but the artist didn't design it like that" aspect. I know there's more.
As coop said, mods are still created by an artist. DLSS5 is using an AI to bastardize an approximation of a face made by combining millions of other images of faces stolen from other artists.Edited by CameraBeardThePirate on March 18, 2026 8:51PM11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »As coop said, mods are still created by an artist. DLSS5 is using an AI to bastardize an approximation of a face made by combining millions of other images of faces stolen from other artists.
I'm aware there are different problems with how AI is trained; that's why I specifically asked what's the problem about altering existing artwork - or no, actually that's not even precisely worded; correctly it would be - about some individuals using any technical means to display some artwork on their personal screen differently to how is was originally designed. No matter by what means. Just about the fact of altering some given artwork to something the artist had not intended.
I know everyone has their own opinion about that, but for me personally, it does not matter what alters my works of art - either I find it generally respectless/disappointing, or I don't care either way.
I have lived off art commissions (and antiquity trade) for a few years when I was still studying, and my personal stance was that I've sold something I've created, it's not mine to decide anymore what the buyer does with it, even if they wanted to use it as toilet paper - their problem, not mine. Same goes for digital commissions: A fulfilled contract is a fulfilled contract.
But if I had cared, it would have not mattered to me how and why they "defile" my art. It's the act that I'd have found either disrespectful or not, or the fact that an existing work would be altered (and perhaps deprived of not only of its style, but also its vision and meaning), not the technical method used to do it.
Or, to put it courtly: If it's truly about "But the original artist didn't intend it to look like that!", then some random Barbie beauty mod for Skyrim would do the exactly same thing as a beautifying AI mode - destroying the original meaning, intention and vision. It's interesting, to say the least, that I usually never see complaints about the former. And now the original artist's idea suddenly matters?
Edited by Syldras on March 18, 2026 9:27PM@Syldras | PC | EU
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✭✭✭✭✭The starfield one is so funny to me. The main thing it's doing is removing the really really bad colour filter they insisted on.
Likewise it would be nice to get FSR 3.1.Edited by Tannus15 on March 18, 2026 10:11PM3 -
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✭✭AI using images of other people's creativity to alter another artists creation? Nah, I'm good.PC EU
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✭✭Or, to put it courtly: If it's truly about "But the original artist didn't intend it to look like that!", then some random Barbie beauty mod for Skyrim would do the exactly same thing as a beautifying AI mode - destroying the original meaning, intention and vision. It's interesting, to say the least, that I usually never see complaints about the former. And now the original artist's idea suddenly matters?
Skyrim, quite famously, has had several major modding controversies. From stolen ideas, to monetization, to AI being used to simulate voice actors - a couple of them in pretty explicit and disturbing ways.PC EU
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✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »AgentXistenZ wrote: »You can override DLSS in the Nvidia app, but I hope no one will use that AI slop.
That's not quite how it works. If a game doesn't support FrameGen or Ray Reconstruction, you can't just override it in the Nvidia App. Games that don't support it require a mod to do so (for example, the first Kingdom Come Deliverance). You can't get Frame Gen on ESO, and that means you won't be able to turn on DLSS5 either.
You can still override it for the superior upscaling, actually.
P. S. It would be delightful to get full dlss framegen and dlss4 upscaling built into eso.Edited by Attorneyatlawl on March 19, 2026 4:38AM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »
Actually, yep. I'm fine with it.
Same!-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
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it's garbage. you don't want this in your game in the state it's in right now.
Maybe it will be a thing eventually, but right now it's not good. It's not even close to good.
It kills the environmental shadows. You'd be trading all the things that currently look good about this game, the environment, the landscapes, the dungeons for a error prone AI filter over the character faces.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Eso uses a slightly stylized art style that keeps fresh over the years...i think a hyper realism face filter could look jarring within its environment....but I would be open too see some examples sure why not.....you can always turn it off and the ESO devs have creative control over its implementationEdited by Nemesis7884 on March 19, 2026 4:06PM1 -
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They haven't improved the lighting, they have removed the lighting.
Look at the shadows on the right hand side of the screen in the original screenshots. They are gone. It's like Oblivion has some nice mood lighting, some soft music on, the table is set and you're about to have a romantic dinner and then someone turns on the overhead office lighting.
Sure, you can see more detail, but that's because they have removed all ambiance and atmosphere in the scene.
If you see this in motion it's even worse, but look at the lack of shadows in the dlss 5 version
and the unmodified version
in the original you can see the shadow cast from the tree on the right as well as his own face. the new version he suddenly has a ring light. it's so bad.
link to video watch it yourself and stop looking just looking at the face, look at the whole scene. Oblivion is SO BAD in this video.9
