your lucky staying alive for 1 to 2 sec thats a very long time in new PVP 49

its all garbage. BG - which they ENCOURAGE by adding them to Golden Pursuits - I got reduced to 1k damage output. On the other hand, I regularly got destroyed by attacks of 10k, 12k, and 14k.

This is NOT fun at all

No reason to play this

barney2525 wrote: »

its all garbage. BG - which they ENCOURAGE by adding them to Golden Pursuits - I got reduced to 1k damage output. On the other hand, I regularly got destroyed by attacks of 10k, 12k, and 14k.

This is NOT fun at all

No reason to play this

a lot of the reason people get those high hits is a combination of high pen/breach debuffs, high weapon/spell dmg (at least 4-5k), and probably a crit on top of that

major breach is super common in pvp (mainly ele sus, but if enemy is a warden running the shalks that applies both major and minor breach)

major + minor breach is approx -9000 to your armor

armor cap is 33k (50% mitigation), -9000 on that is reducing your armor by almost 1/3 if you have 30k armor, so its bringing that armor mitigation to probably 35%

if they have 10k pen on top of that, then they would be ignoring almost 2/3 of your armor, meaning your mitigation is probably closer to 18-20%

so basically right off the bat they are doing approx +30% more dmg to you, on top of whatever other buffs they have going (major/minor courage, flat dmg buffs, cp, etc)

if you go into pvp with less than 3k weapon/spell dmg and less than 5k penetration, your going to be hitting like a wet noodle

Its meta only in PvP or be killed (really 1 shotted). Subclassing made it worse. The changes to IC will kill it. I have said many times, they need to stop listening to PvP and institute rules there and force them into balance. Until they do, more people will keep leaving and new people will not enter. Its been going on for over a decade. I still go to Cyrodiil alone now though, my guildies won't anymore. We have all quit IC. Battlegrounds used to be fun, but again, Subclassing is killing that too. I still go, my guildies wont. 2900 Crit resistance isnt a fun build. Its a waste of gold mats in my mind. Its all the same 3 skill lines and the same 3 sets in all of them. Its boring.

I feel like some of you are not understanding the crux of the issue. Slashing all of your stats in half makes BG's literally unplayable. This is only in below level 50. You have almost zero regen in combat (faster to just die than wait for your resources to come back.) It also makes the high level players have a huge advantage over newer characters since they will have better gear, damage, and sustain.

This change has to be a bug, there is no way a dev played this and thinks it's fun.

Go into a normal above level 50 BG and this does not happen to that extreme. Makes zero sense.

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Its meta only in PvP or be killed (really 1 shotted). Subclassing made it worse. The changes to IC will kill it. I have said many times, they need to stop listening to PvP and institute rules there and force them into balance. Until they do, more people will keep leaving and new people will not enter. Its been going on for over a decade. I still go to Cyrodiil alone now though, my guildies won't anymore. We have all quit IC. Battlegrounds used to be fun, but again, Subclassing is killing that too. I still go, my guildies wont. 2900 Crit resistance isnt a fun build. Its a waste of gold mats in my mind. Its all the same 3 skill lines and the same 3 sets in all of them. Its boring.

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

PvP is where competitors play. If you think you can go in there with no forethought and just win, then youre going to have a bad time. You have to work on your build (gear, skills, wincon, resource management etc.)

Theres a lot of hard work than went into that dude that wrecks you in pvp. It shows in their effort.

You're missing the point. They BROKE it. You cannot go into BGs as lower-level character and compete in any way as you could even just a few weeks ago. The level scaling was removed!

Rungar wrote: »

Hopefully with the pvp advancement system they are working on theyll split up the campaigns to beginner, normal, and veteran so players can get a chance to fight reasonable enemies for a while if they choose. Players success then moves them to higher tiers quicker, giving other players a chance to play.

thats the only way to do it unfortunately because every other way can be gamed like no cp or under 50. Your still going to get the sweaties.

however with an account based one way pvp advancement system their own success will be their "demise". Just not sure theres enough people left to make that work.

Again, missing the point of the post. This has nothing to do with balance, skill, preparedness, or progression.


BGs aren't working correctly.

Bgs are sweaty. You may want to start pvp by zerging in cyro in a large geoup until you get down mechanics and build and counterplay

LittleLionLeone wrote: »

Do people not read anymore

No

moo_2021 wrote: »

How long are you staying under 50 anyway? Should be done in a few days.

Irrelevant. It's broken as the tittle says. It needs to be fixed.

While they’re at it fixing this, let’s make smurfing a bannable offense.

People who gold out entire sets of under 50 gear to exploit new players, just to then move their gear to the bank and then delete their characters as they hit Champion rank, are actual people we do not need in this community.

It’s one thing to level up a new character and play some Battlegrounds, it’s another thing to have gold Deadlands Demolisher at every gear bracket up to 50.

Xarc wrote: »

linuxhell wrote: »

My PvE stats: 25k HP, 18k MP, and 30k stamina.
weapon and spell damage 2840

My BG stats: 14k HP, 9k MP, and 16k stamina.
weapon and spell damage 1100
level 20 heavy amor without set, all impenetrable
Before this latest update, I could still play some games depending on who I was playing against because my stats weren't broken like they are now.
And now I die in 1 or 2 seconds, meaning I can't play PvP anymore.
You managed to make something that was bad for new players completely unplayable.

Ok let me give you some pvp advices:

Try to reach these stats instead:
30k hp (minimum), i would even say 40k hp for new player
2k REGEN stam or magicka, minimum
30k buffed armor minimum
3k spell/weapon damage
6-10k penetration

keep in mind it is a minimum.

skill bars:
-try to have a shield skill in your bar, magicka or stam based. use this shield as often as possible in fight
-try to have an execute skill in your bar
-Try to have a healing spell in your bar

combat tips:
1) try to always keep full HP. A target with low hp is the first target. And from 50% health, opponents can use "execute" skills which can deal up to 400% more damage.
2) in BG, never stay alone. Even great players die alone. Isolated targets are easier, especially at X vs 1.
3) Manage your resources (magicka and stamina). Perhaps occasionally use heavy attacks to recover.

from this, make your pvp build, and have fun

R-read the post.

They cannot achieve those numbers.

BGs are bugged for anyone below level 50 right now. At this point, I think this post really should just be moved to bug reports.

LittleLionLeone wrote: »

Do people not read anymore

Considering we now have bots to read stuff and summarize it for us, I'd say no. But reading and reading comprehension was never something that scored high for a lot of people.

Radiate77 wrote: »

While they’re at it fixing this, let’s make smurfing a bannable offense.

People who gold out entire sets of under 50 gear to exploit new players, just to then move their gear to the bank and then delete their characters as they hit Champion rank, are actual people we do not need in this community.

It’s one thing to level up a new character and play some Battlegrounds, it’s another thing to have gold Deadlands Demolisher at every gear bracket up to 50.

Those bash builds in sub 50 BG's are so annoying. But you can't really punish people for playing the game, there's no set rules for BG's.

It's complete garbage early levels now. You'll just get dominated by higher levels who don't have sustain issues and plenty of damage and pen.

Bizarre that's there's not more outrage about it.