coop500 wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

One thing i will add, is that i DO think that base race should have a partial influence on how the were wolf appears.

I dont know how that would manifest exactly...

Maybe argonians take on just a tad more lizard like features when transformed. Or khajiit tak on a slightly more cat like look. Something subtle but present.

I truly feel like we, as the community, really need to be unified on this and not over-extend. My biggest worry is that we will all be too scattered asking for in-depth, extremely specific things that will never happen. The devs got cut down a LOT, I don't think they have the time or manpower for things like this or things like dynamic height. We need to push for reasonable, achievable things that are realistic and that we might actually get, like just having the model look less like a hyena, and make it so we're not so dang tiny.

Otherwise we're going to just be like this and with exactly what we saw in the stream.



I'm not trying to be mean, nor do I disagree that having these things wouldn't be cool. But I'm trying to be realistic and stick with battles that we can actually win.

coop500 wrote: »

Sadly the model feels like the worst of both worlds, while the devs had fun mocking folks (discussion of 'sexy werewolf' and 'gooners' that was cackled about and went on far too long, all words they used BTW) who may have wanted something different for a range of reasons.

coop500 wrote: »

The Skyrim model would have been objectively better in every way, or something heavily inspired by that. People keep saying this new model IS but it's actually not, the only thing they share is not being fully furred, and the distribution of that doesn't even line up.

coop500 wrote: »

The face looks shocked and almost friendly, not aggressive or intimidating at all.
The arms are too short, the claws are too tiny, the ears being big, batlike and naked is offputting and not in a good way, it just doesn't look good and we will apparently still be tiny as hell because werewolves aren't supposed to be big and intimidating somehow. I could go on but then people will disagree and pick at that one point and ignore the rest of this comment.

coop500 wrote: »

luckiestlycan wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

I'm not trying to be mean, nor do I disagree that having these things wouldn't be cool. But I'm trying to be realistic and stick with battles that we can actually win.

I 100% agree, I think a lot these dynamic changes based on X is neat, but like y'all; Eso Werewolf has been around since even the early stages of development, and we're only just now over a decade later getting a remodel & female model counterpart, I'd rather them focus on improving the base Female & Male models first before trying to include minor race differences or dynamic height which won't really matter if the foundations aren't laid properly.

Yes, in the end nothing else matters until these things are addressed. But as it stands, i fear we're not coordinated enough to help with this, and everyone's too busy asking for stuff that'd realistically never happen this decade.

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

luckiestlycan wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

I'm not trying to be mean, nor do I disagree that having these things wouldn't be cool. But I'm trying to be realistic and stick with battles that we can actually win.

I 100% agree, I think a lot these dynamic changes based on X is neat, but like y'all; Eso Werewolf has been around since even the early stages of development, and we're only just now over a decade later getting a remodel & female model counterpart, I'd rather them focus on improving the base Female & Male models first before trying to include minor race differences or dynamic height which won't really matter if the foundations aren't laid properly.

Yes, in the end nothing else matters until these things are addressed. But as it stands, i fear we're not coordinated enough to help with this, and everyone's too busy asking for stuff that'd realistically never happen this decade.

Alright I will stop asking all that for now.

But I will say this. I dont need a "sexy" werewolf. I want a good decent healthy looking werewolf. I dont want it to look mangy, diseased, or zombiefied.

I want them to look decent.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

People who say they do not want a diseased looking Werewolf, remind yourself exactly how you became a Werewolf

You contracted a disease from an infected Werewolf Bite called Sanius Lupius so Werewolves are technically a diseased creature, consider yourself fortunate that this is all ZOS is doing visually and you do not receive the other telltale signs of lycanthropy such as your character having visible hair sticking out of their ears, remember that line of dialogue from Guards in Skyrim.

Hollyniss wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

People who say they do not want a diseased looking Werewolf, remind yourself exactly how you became a Werewolf

You contracted a disease from an infected Werewolf Bite called Sanius Lupius so Werewolves are technically a diseased creature, consider yourself fortunate that this is all ZOS is doing visually and you do not receive the other telltale signs of lycanthropy such as your character having visible hair sticking out of their ears, remember that line of dialogue from Guards in Skyrim.

Guards in Skyrim said a LOT of stupid things, lol. Also, for me as a Khajiit, hair sticking out of my ears wouldn't be much of an issue.

As mentioned before, for our characters it's more of a blessing and should be treated as such (appearance wise). I'd rather they look like a smaller version of the werewolf behemoth than a mangy flea ridden gnoll looking 'werewolf.' Just with more color variants obviously. Why can't they just do that? Use the werewolf behemoth model, just slimmer (especially the torso) and shorter with more color varieties.

Hollyniss wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Hollyniss wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

People who say they do not want a diseased looking Werewolf, remind yourself exactly how you became a Werewolf

You contracted a disease from an infected Werewolf Bite called Sanius Lupius so Werewolves are technically a diseased creature, consider yourself fortunate that this is all ZOS is doing visually and you do not receive the other telltale signs of lycanthropy such as your character having visible hair sticking out of their ears, remember that line of dialogue from Guards in Skyrim.

Guards in Skyrim said a LOT of stupid things, lol. Also, for me as a Khajiit, hair sticking out of my ears wouldn't be much of an issue.

As mentioned before, for our characters it's more of a blessing and should be treated as such (appearance wise). I'd rather they look like a smaller version of the werewolf behemoth than a mangy flea ridden gnoll looking 'werewolf.' Just with more color variants obviously. Why can't they just do that? Use the werewolf behemoth model, just slimmer (especially the torso) and shorter with more color varieties.

It is not a blessing, it is literally referred to as a curse.

It's also referred to as a blessing by those who chose it or worship Hircine (Aela, Skjor, Songamdir, and Firralthel just to name a few).

Erickson9610 wrote: »

What I don't understand is the claim that the new Werewolf model doesn't match the TES style of werewolves.

For more than 20 years, TES werewolves have had exposed skin:


To add emphasis, even the unreleased TES Travels: Oblivion werewolf as well as the ESO Werewolf Behemoth also follow this style:


The last time TES werewolves didn't have exposed skin (barring some card art in TES Legends which use a different art style) was Daggerfall in 1996.

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

Also just for the sake of discussion this is the shape of a wolf’s ear - not saying we got to have an exact wolf ear but maybe there’s a happy medium between this ear and the much longer seeming, pointy bat like ear

Erickson9610 wrote: »

What I don't understand is the claim that the new Werewolf model doesn't match the TES style of werewolves.

For more than 20 years, TES werewolves have had exposed skin:


To add emphasis, even the unreleased TES Travels: Oblivion werewolf as well as the ESO Werewolf Behemoth also follow this style:


The last time TES werewolves didn't have exposed skin (barring some card art in TES Legends which use a different art style) was Daggerfall in 1996.

Cambionn wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

Also many places you mark actually have short fur not long enough to fully mask skin, not bare skin. New model looks like there is no fur, only skin.
Yes, the hands, feet, and muzzle were always bare, but the rest of the body was covered in at least short fur or

I think this is where the biggest issue lies. It goes from fluffy coat into pink skin. And with the fur becoming extra fluffy, that contrast worsens. Make the skin less pink and more grey-ish, and have a smoother transition with thinly haired areas on some of the now bald places, and it'll look a lot better.

Overall, I think outside of that, the body looks like a great improvement. The face I'm still not sure on. I would love to see that become more wolf-like, wider, and bigger.

But I do want to say, I see a clear improvement in the quality of the model. I also understand replacing this model for everyone. Not just the werewolves, but many of the older models and textures are way worse quality than what got released later, and it looks a bit painful each time they show up, especially in places filled with newer models and textures. Updating those will make the whole game look better. And I think we need to remember, that while there are players who will not mind at all, many people nowadays care for graphics. Games that look too outdated, get skipped. If we want ESO to last long, that means people need to stay enticed to join to make up for those who leave (and even in the best games, people leave because life). And that means updating things like old models and textures (as well as many other things, no one stays for graphics alone), and removing the old ones. And yes, I know there are old games that are still online and being played. I like to play them too, but I also know I'm not a majority with that. And if ESO would be as calm as GW1, I think it won't be long until it gets taken offline.

It's more the design-choices that are discussable than the quality. But design-choices are always subject to preference, and people who are negative are much more likely to express that. I think being constructive and pointing out pain-points in the design is more useful than asking to keep the old model.