omg

I am so excited about this.

I know some of these need some balancing, but the idea of these just looks so cool. I’m so excited to see my characters really shine.

Well boys, they’re finally killing Subclassing.
Congrats.

Radiate77 wrote: »

I also don’t see anything pet related under Sorcerer.

What do you mean, the middle one, implosion, clearly says if you have pets you get less buff.

Warden ftw

Ah Implosion making a comeback (I really hope the number is not fixed on that, if so I take it back), what a day, I am moved to tears.

Radiate77 wrote: »

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

I also don’t see anything pet related under Sorcerer.

What do you mean, the middle one, implosion, clearly says if you have pets you get less buff.

The only one mentioning pets, is a detriment, for using pets. You can’t make this stuff up. 🤦‍♂️

My assumptions are:
1 — more people have been complaining about no-pet sorc being lesser than pet sorc, so ZOS is trying to buff no-pet sorc to make it more viable
2 — the previous stream didn’t have that caveat, pet sorcs wouldve been able to proc it more effectively than no-pet sorcs due to the damage output of pets without using your gcds. Thus, it would’ve buffed pet sorc further. Pet sorc gets more instances of damage dealt, so less chance per damage instance. The chance decrease might be overkill though, I dunno, I don’t do numbers.

Edit: oh and 3, looking at it again, it used to say that it triggered once per skill. So the whole pet balancing bit very well might be changed before this hits PTS. Could’ve even been changed already!

Edit 2: well, I guess more instances of damage dealt isn't entirely correct because you could be slotting 4 DoTs instead now that it’s not per skill cast. Really depends. They’re probably still fiddling with it.

Soarora wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

I also don’t see anything pet related under Sorcerer.

What do you mean, the middle one, implosion, clearly says if you have pets you get less buff.

The only one mentioning pets, is a detriment, for using pets. You can’t make this stuff up. 🤦‍♂️

My assumptions are:
1 — more people have been complaining about no-pet sorc being lesser than pet sorc, so ZOS is trying to buff no-pet sorc to make it more viable
2 — the previous stream didn’t have that caveat, pet sorcs wouldve been able to proc it more effectively than no-pet sorcs due to the damage output of pets without using your gcds. Thus, it would’ve buffed pet sorc further. Pet sorc gets more instances of damage dealt, so less chance per damage instance. The chance decrease might be overkill though, I dunno, I don’t do numbers.

Edit: oh and 3, looking at it again, it used to say that it triggered once per skill. So the whole pet balancing bit very well might be changed before this hits PTS. Could’ve even been changed already!

Edit 2: well, I guess more instances of damage dealt isn't entirely correct because you could be slotting 4 DoTs instead now that it’s not per skill cast. Really depends. They’re probably still fiddling with it.

pets passive attacks only hit once every 2 seconds. and for that awesomeness you drop from a max of 100% chance to 30% chance.
basically, the passive sucks if you have both pets.

they are definitely still messing with the masteries, Lord of the Cycle increases your damage by 50% once the target is at half health. that's INSANE. There is no way this hits live in this state, and i'll be shocked if it hits PTS in this state. one passive is stronger than major berserk + major slayer + minor slayer + minor berserk + major vuln + minor vuln. What are we doing???

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

Necro will still remain trash even with those class mastery. They better make some changes to the class next patch [snip]
Those class mastery will not bring the necromancer class to the same level of other classes.

Agreed.

Tannus15 wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

I also don’t see anything pet related under Sorcerer.

What do you mean, the middle one, implosion, clearly says if you have pets you get less buff.

The only one mentioning pets, is a detriment, for using pets. You can’t make this stuff up. 🤦‍♂️

My assumptions are:
1 — more people have been complaining about no-pet sorc being lesser than pet sorc, so ZOS is trying to buff no-pet sorc to make it more viable
2 — the previous stream didn’t have that caveat, pet sorcs wouldve been able to proc it more effectively than no-pet sorcs due to the damage output of pets without using your gcds. Thus, it would’ve buffed pet sorc further. Pet sorc gets more instances of damage dealt, so less chance per damage instance. The chance decrease might be overkill though, I dunno, I don’t do numbers.

Edit: oh and 3, looking at it again, it used to say that it triggered once per skill. So the whole pet balancing bit very well might be changed before this hits PTS. Could’ve even been changed already!

Edit 2: well, I guess more instances of damage dealt isn't entirely correct because you could be slotting 4 DoTs instead now that it’s not per skill cast. Really depends. They’re probably still fiddling with it.

pets passive attacks only hit once every 2 seconds. and for that awesomeness you drop from a max of 100% chance to 30% chance.
basically, the passive sucks if you have both pets.

they are definitely still messing with the masteries, Lord of the Cycle increases your damage by 50% once the target is at half health. that's INSANE. There is no way this hits live in this state, and i'll be shocked if it hits PTS in this state. one passive is stronger than major berserk + major slayer + minor slayer + minor berserk + major vuln + minor vuln. What are we doing???

And calling that one passive out and not the other 10 broken beyond belief ones? Let necros have a nice thing once every blue moon Alternatively could have the most busted passive that makes necros do 200x dmg until they fix how buggy the class is and how unplayable it is, nothing will save it.
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I like the idea and always thought this was much better than moving skills around into mixed lines - but I am fedup of the pendulum swinging from one extreme to the other - the whole point was that this was to bring pureclass in line with subclass - this goes massively too far and in conjunction with the class refresh (based on DK) pushes pure classes out in front - significantly. After a year of enjoying some build diversity in healers and tanks for the first time in years - that all gets thrown out if subclassing is no longer viable and we are back to the same boring sets and no variation.

Keep in mind that this is designed for endgame, and monoclass builds have to compete with the mathematical stacking you can do with subclassing.

I play a tank. But I hate Subclassing. I want to play a character, not a spreadsheet. I designed my character to be good at what he is with the Class I chose for him. But unless my Class can compete with being able to source all of the group buffs that subclassing can (by offerring the same buffs or by offerring enough power that those buffs are acceptably left out), then it still won’t be allowed.

Trials have been utterly unfun for the past year because every little thing can be micromanaged. We should have to make choices in our play - that’s the heart of an RPG. We should have to say “we can source these buffs or those buffs, but not both.”

Tannus15 wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

@Tannus15, it’s 1% per % more.

Meaning, you have to maintain 25% more health than your opponent to get 25% damage. An enemy can hit you once and completely strip you of this passive, and if you’re just starting the fight you have zero benefit from the passive.

It’s not as bad as first glance.

what are you talking about? you have healers in group content.
this is what health looks like in trials



this is lokke HM, so tombs and the laser are causing the big health drops. The vast majority of the time you are at max health.

I’m not talking about PvE. I’m talking about the PvP value proposition at 25%. That is a fine value.

Worst case scenario, they could lower that value to a cap of 25% for 25% difference everywhere, but anything less than 25% is DOA.

So reading the passives and people complaining about nothing for pets... from the tool tip, Font of Power should work with pet abilities. It says, "any Sorcerer ability".

It's also interesting how Warden seems to be focused on status effects, leans more into my thought that the rework will involve making all (or most) Warden abilities frost damage like they made all DK damage fire damage.

ADarklore wrote: »

So reading the passives and people complaining about nothing for pets... from the tool tip, Font of Power should work with pet abilities. It says, "any Sorcerer ability".

It's also interesting how Warden seems to be focused on status effects, leans more into my thought that the rework will involve making all (or most) Warden abilities frost damage like they made all DK damage fire damage.

The rework isn't going to be based on the class mastery passives, it's the other way around. It was mentioned that for warden that the passives are more "generic" and will be changed with the class refresh. I suspect that they'll make a passive that ties into the stamden side of things, be that poison or bleed.

The necro tethering to an enemy/ally passives should just be base skill functions. Those are incredibly weak and uninteresting compared to some of these other passives of different classes. It’s not like the tethers are broken skills that are going to be game-changing just because you can use them directly on a target now.

They really missed the opportunity to add flavorful and thematic options for necro. I would’ve much preferred to see a passive that gives a unique, fast ticking dot to necro light attacks, or maybe something that super charged the skeletal mage/archer.

Since no one else has mentioned it so far:

It was said in the stream that these numbers are VERY subject to change, as in they WILL change, and in fact these numbers are already old. Even the names are highly subject to change.

Just for people who feel like any values are too high or too low atm.