Well, starting on the 9th you won't have to worry about daily login rewards since they're being retired. Endeavors are also becoming weekly and seasonal, and the weekly ones will roll over (up to 10 iirc?) every week, so you won't have to feel pressured to rush to get them done. You can do 'em at your own pace.

Maybe that'll help with keeping the feeling with you forever, heh.

This_0ne wrote: »

Today coming home late evening, tired from work, I experienced a strange feeling I'd never experienced before. The realization that I didn't need to accomplish any endeavours, didn't need to log into ESO for a daily reward. Does anyone know what this feeling is called? It's sad it only lasted for about a month. I wish it could stay with me forever.

I mean I wasn't bothered by Daily Rewards or Seals for some time already but fact that they removed Daily Logging Rewards makes for me easier to skip logging in time to time, if I'm to busy during the day. Yet I still log into ESO to enjoy the game

One of the first things I used to do each day (outside the game) was check a website to see what ESO's daily endeavors were that day, so it was definitely a strange feeling at first to wake up this morning and not need to do that.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I admit that Endeavors nudged me into doing things I don’t normally plan to do and it was sort of a good thing, going to places I hadn’t been to in a while and doing activities that I hadn’t done in a long while. I’m finishing lunch right now, normally I would then log back in to do Endeavors but now I don’t need to do so. It’s nice to not feel like I have to do them, but is that good for the long term health of the game? More players not logging in every day means they can get used to playing other games and doing other things. It could lower the daily population and make group activities like dungeons, trials, and Cyrodiil harder to complete or even get engaged in. We are sort of struggling in those areas on console now anyway.

PC here, but I agree with your comments.

I'll still be logging in daily to play ESO-- I do try to collect the daily hireling mails on my alts, I do daily crafting writs on my main PCNA and PCEU characters, and I enjoy playing three matches against the expert NPCs for the ToT dailies. There are also the daily delve and boss zone quests, although I usually don't do any of those unless I'm trying to collect specific motif pages or just feel like doing a boss fight that I happen to enjoy. And I try to check my available Antiquity leads every day or two for any that are due to expire within the week. Plus, my two newest alts are still researching crafting traits.

But like you, I also made use of the daily endeavors as a way of nudging myself into doing certain activities that I enjoy but that I wasn't generally doing all that often anymore. I'm thinking of setting up a spinning wheel "random picker" with all of the activities I enjoy doing in the game, so I can spin it whenever I'm playing and need help deciding what to do next.

Aside from that, I'll probably be spending a lot more time in Cyrodiil and the Imperial City (mainly the Sewers), and taking the time to get back into questing through the zones I haven't completed yet on my various characters, or working on rounding out their skill trees. So I'm definitely not at a loss for ways to fill up my time in the game.

I found out that the Daily Rewards and Daily Endeavors went away when I logged into the game today. The announcements about it escaped my notice. Normally, I would complete the endeavors, do some daily writs, then go to one of the expansion zones and advance the story quests with one of my characters.

Today, I just logged out and found another game to play.

I'm glad they are cutting down the daily stuff since it ate up a lot of time. I don't even like having to do crafting dailies on several characters each day, it was just too much. By the time I finished all the after work chores I no longer felt like playing the game or didn't have much time left.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I admit that Endeavors nudged me into doing things I don’t normally plan to do and it was sort of a good thing, going to places I hadn’t been to in a while and doing activities that I hadn’t done in a long while. I’m finishing lunch right now, normally I would then log back in to do Endeavors but now I don’t need to do so. It’s nice to not feel like I have to do them, but is that good for the long term health of the game? More players not logging in every day means they can get used to playing other games and doing other things. It could lower the daily population and make group activities like dungeons, trials, and Cyrodiil harder to complete or even get engaged in. We are sort of struggling in those areas on console now anyway.

PC here, but I agree with your comments.

I'll still be logging in daily to play ESO-- I do try to collect the daily hireling mails on my alts, I do daily crafting writs on my main PCNA and PCEU characters, and I enjoy playing three matches against the expert NPCs for the ToT dailies. There are also the daily delve and boss zone quests, although I usually don't do any of those unless I'm trying to collect specific motif pages or just feel like doing a boss fight that I happen to enjoy. And I try to check my available Antiquity leads every day or two for any that are due to expire within the week. Plus, my two newest alts are still researching crafting traits.

But like you, I also made use of the daily endeavors as a way of nudging myself into doing certain activities that I enjoy but that I wasn't generally doing all that often anymore. I'm thinking of setting up a spinning wheel "random picker" with all of the activities I enjoy doing in the game, so I can spin it whenever I'm playing and need help deciding what to do next.

Aside from that, I'll probably be spending a lot more time in Cyrodiil and the Imperial City (mainly the Sewers), and taking the time to get back into questing through the zones I haven't completed yet on my various characters, or working on rounding out their skill trees. So I'm definitely not at a loss for ways to fill up my time in the game.

We shall see how it all plays out in the next year I suppose. I just think those of us on console (don’t know about PC) have been hit hard by the trader listing changes and that has shut down many large trading guilds, Cyrodiil is plagued by the Warden Charm Rush of Agony meta and population is low on GH for DC, and trials are struggling to find players because many don’t want the arcanist/nightblade/whatever required build for dps. One more reason not to log in could be bad for us.

I have been logging in every day for a few years now. Yesterday was the first time in a long time that I didn't play ESO.

Daily login rewards and endeavors were my main reasons for logging in until Solstice becomes available in the crown store. When I have completed the Solstice zone I am not sure there will be much to come back to. I am not really interested in the new Tome system or Night Market.

It seems like ESO may become one of those games I dip into every now and again instead of a regular part of my gameplay. It will be strange for sure.

Same weird feeling here.

The gap between daily rewards and whatever will be is the culprit. When the new method to get the freebies I've come to depend on is in play, this weird feeling may be cured, but there's no way to know right now.

It's a Twilight Zone vibe that isn't totally unpleasant, but not comfortable either.

BretonMage wrote: »

It's interesting to see other players' reactions to the end of endeavors. I've never felt FOMO over any of it, so if I didn't feel like logging in or doing endeavors, I'd just skip it on that day or week. It was nice to know it was there to be done if I felt like it, though.

I hope the new system is equally satisfying. A post on another thread has me worrying there might be some micromanaging involved with tome points though, with claiming points versus accumulating them for unlocking pages or something. It's all very confusing at this stage.

It's not the end of Endeavors tho. They're essentially being made into weekly and seasonal ones instead of daily and weekly. It means you have way more time to finish them, even if you don't pay to upgrade and remove the time limit.

I honestly don't know why ZOS felt the need to stop calling them Endeavors since they still are effectively the same exact thing, just with longer time frames now.

Quoted the wrong thing lol.

BretonMage wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

It's interesting to see other players' reactions to the end of endeavors. I've never felt FOMO over any of it, so if I didn't feel like logging in or doing endeavors, I'd just skip it on that day or week. It was nice to know it was there to be done if I felt like it, though.

I hope the new system is equally satisfying. A post on another thread has me worrying there might be some micromanaging involved with tome points though, with claiming points versus accumulating them for unlocking pages or something. It's all very confusing at this stage.

It's not the end of Endeavors tho. They're being made into weekly and seasonal ones instead of daily and weekly. It means you have way more time to finish them, even if you don't pay to upgrade and remove the time limit.

Yes, I know. I just liked the little bite-sized list of things to do each day. I'm not sure how the tamriel tomes work, but this comment here - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8434958/#Comment_8434958 - makes me really worried that the new system might be a lot more convoluted than the endeavors were.

It's definitely a system that's got its kinks still. I couldn't do much with it on the PTS myself, as I didn't have time to do stuff consistently, but from what I saw for the most part it's essentially the same kind of stuff the previous Endeavor system would have you do.

I do have worries about later pages being locked until you get enough Sesls to unlock them to know if you'd even want anything from those pages, though.

ISO_Flow wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I admit that Endeavors nudged me into doing things I don’t normally plan to do and it was sort of a good thing, going to places I hadn’t been to in a while and doing activities that I hadn’t done in a long while. I’m finishing lunch right now, normally I would then log back in to do Endeavors but now I don’t need to do so. It’s nice to not feel like I have to do them, but is that good for the long term health of the game? More players not logging in every day means they can get used to playing other games and doing other things. It could lower the daily population and make group activities like dungeons, trials, and Cyrodiil harder to complete or even get engaged in. We are sort of struggling in those areas on console now anyway.

PC here, but I agree with your comments.

I'll still be logging in daily to play ESO-- I do try to collect the daily hireling mails on my alts, I do daily crafting writs on my main PCNA and PCEU characters, and I enjoy playing three matches against the expert NPCs for the ToT dailies. There are also the daily delve and boss zone quests, although I usually don't do any of those unless I'm trying to collect specific motif pages or just feel like doing a boss fight that I happen to enjoy. And I try to check my available Antiquity leads every day or two for any that are due to expire within the week. Plus, my two newest alts are still researching crafting traits.

But like you, I also made use of the daily endeavors as a way of nudging myself into doing certain activities that I enjoy but that I wasn't generally doing all that often anymore. I'm thinking of setting up a spinning wheel "random picker" with all of the activities I enjoy doing in the game, so I can spin it whenever I'm playing and need help deciding what to do next.

Aside from that, I'll probably be spending a lot more time in Cyrodiil and the Imperial City (mainly the Sewers), and taking the time to get back into questing through the zones I haven't completed yet on my various characters, or working on rounding out their skill trees. So I'm definitely not at a loss for ways to fill up my time in the game.

We shall see how it all plays out in the next year I suppose. I just think those of us on console (don’t know about PC) have been hit hard by the trader listing changes and that has shut down many large trading guilds, Cyrodiil is plagued by the Warden Charm Rush of Agony meta and population is low on GH for DC, and trials are struggling to find players because many don’t want the arcanist/nightblade/whatever required build for dps. One more reason not to log in could be bad for us.

but is a "chore" and feeling forced to log on a good thing? If thats the only reason for logging on, I feel like you are due for a break no?

I am excited to do things when I log on, non chore things. And this ball and chain being removed, means more time for things I actually want to do

I too wondered whether this change is good for the game and I’ve settled on “probably yes”. We could ask “is feeling obligated to log in because of daily rewards, based on log in and a tiny bit of activity, good for the game?”. I mean some players won’t necessarily do any more than that so it is just inflating active player numbers. Also, when it comes to a game like ESO, one sometimes needs to do a break to get back the inspiration for playing it. Daily chores make taking a break more difficult.

So yeah, it was a bit of a strange feeling to log in for free, but it’s only due to a change in the routine, and in the medium term, I think it will be better for the game and for the players as well.

I will admit to missing the endeavours a little bit last night. But we have the Golden Pursuit just started, so I'll have plenty to do if I just want to see some numbers go up.

Stockholm Syndrome.